[Nobar King]

Re: One quick question for the those who call us "hateful"

You didn't answer the question.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: One quick question for the those who call us "hateful"

So "thou shalt not kill" is just speculation for you? That means you find nothing wrong with killing my child if they get in your way.

Your gobbledegook doesn't hide your atheism.

AMEN Brother Jeb. God has a time and place when He wants a child killed. It is not for men to decided that. Only and atheist would think he doesn't need a higher power (God) to decide when the atheist can kill.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: One quick question for the those who call us "hateful"

You didn't answer the question.

He's basically saying "I don't know for certain that toddler will be hurt when it falls off the cliff, so I guess I'll just get some popcorn and watch it fall".

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Afternoon

As for an example of a metaphorical Bible exert, I'm going to use the classic
tale of the loaves and the fish. It is written that Jesus had five loaves and two fish, and he had to feed five thousand people. For a start, five thousand is a very precise figure, and feeding that amount of people one at a time would take days. It is far more plausible that it was merely a large group of people, simply not THAT large. He had five loaves and two fish to feed this large group of people. I read it as though it were simply a small amount of food to feed a group of many, and that the people wanted more than this to satiate themselves, so they began fighting and wanting more than their neighbours. Jesus showed that that you do not need a lot of food to satisfy yourself, and shared the food equally between them. This taught them that if everyone is equal, and if things are shared equally, no one comes to harm. If everyone shares and is equal with their amount, then everyone can live in harmony.
- This interpretation is true to the Bible, and is perfectly plausible in science.

How do you know that that's what was meant? More generally, how do you know which parts of the Bible are to be read literally and which are to be read allegorically, and in the latter case, which allegorical reading is correct?

Oh, and Pastor Isaac Peters, you're merely proving my point further. You read it and you understand it means engine oil, but someone who has never used nor seen a car before but has say been in catering for many years, would automatically assume it meant some other form of oil (olive oil, for example).

Then that person's car's engine would be ruined. We're not talking about multiple "interpretations" here, but rather about simple reading comprehension, with real consequences for getting it wrong. Thus, you're merely proving my point further.

All of this is simply logic, and if you are ignoring logic when thinking about your faith, you are a fool.

Matt. 5:22: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

"Interpret" that one for us.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: One quick question for the those who call us "hateful"

I believe that the reason there is a lack of evidence is because if everyone were completely aware of God's existence, they would rely upon Him for everything, and everything would be demanded of Him, yet as soon as He were to deliver, His actions would have negative consequences. Simply put, God does not interfere with our lives because doing so would make everyone want him to interfere with theirs, and if God were to provide all that we need, we would always wish for more. If he did not, people would rise against him.

Have you ever pulled the shrink wrap off of your Bible?

Matt. 6:31-33: Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Philippians 4:19: But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

I exhort you in Christian love to stop guessing at what the Bible says and start reading it.

P.S. Everything you believe is bollocks because it isn't recognizable as Christianity.

[The True Mop]

Re: Afternoon

This will be my final message on this forum, so let's make it a good one.

I just noticed your signature, which made me burst out in laughter. According to you, macs are gay. Your reason? For a while their logo was multi-coloured. Oh sweet mercy you're so thick it's laughable. You suggest that a rainbow is gay, despite the fact a rainbow is light refracting through water (usually rain) and splitting into the different colours of the visual spectrum. It was adopted by gay people, that is fact, but it is also used for many things that are in fact not gay. Children's television, for example. Children's minds are stimulated through colour, and excessive use of it helps them to identify and relate to objects to help cognitive development. Apple don't even use the multi-coloured apple as their logo anymore, so surely because they don't do it anymore, they're not gay? If a gay person is suddenly 'converted' (as you lot seem to think they can be), you would say he was saved and was no longer 'evil'. Why would this concept not apply to other things? I am currently using a mac, and I have never had any homosexual tendencies. They are simply computers, the only difference being they run off of different software and hardware. When it comes down to it they and PCs all have a display, a keyboard, a mouse, a hard-drive, a processor... They're almost identical, they run from the same concept of zeroes and ones, they are simply a glorified on/off switch working at billions of switches a second. There are no sexual connotations with computers, they are merely human devices. If you believe macs are promoting homosexuality, don't buy one. But don't go around telling other people how to think.

I also noticed a thread about someone who had a son who masturbated, and was contemplating emasculating the lad because of it. What kind of parent would wish to remove their child's genitals? I also noticed a thread where a woman had been raped by someone and refused to marry him. People regarded the rapist with sympathy! How can you sit there and feel sympathetic for someone who destroyed a young girl's life, whilst at the same time encouraging a man to remove his child's penis because he masturbates? Wanking is a form of release, and it prevents people from going outside and raping women because it expels testosterone from the system, reducing sexual drives temporarily. I'm certain that God would rather I masturbate regularly than rape innocent young girls. Oh, and for those of you who are wondering about my sex life, I'm not a virgin, I've slept with many girls, I masturbate regularly, and I intend to marry when I am older and raise children. I'm just a normal bloke getting along. Have I ever been subject to any punishment from God? No. I have had no sexually transmitted infections despite several one-night stands, and I am currently very happy with my life at the moment and I am currently looking for a long-term relationship.

I have also noticed many people refer to alcohol as 'evil'. I drink alcohol regularly, and I have had many people like you tell me that I should not. Surely you must remember the story when Jesus turned water into wine? Now ask yourselves this: if alcohol was evil, why did Jesus create it? I have never had a single decent answer to this question, so please, tell me why you think it is wrong to drink!

I get a lot of people asking me how I think the world was created, and I always answer to them "I don't know". This is because I don't, and nobody in the world truly knows because it happened before our time. I try not to think about the creation of the universe because I believe that it is something we are not meant to know.

Yes, I've bitten the bullet, I'm going to insult people. You're all racist, pig-ignorant, hypocritical, narrow-minded retards who, if you ask me, will burn in Hell for your disgusting prejudice views. I saw a thread where a lad was saying he wanted to save his soul, and you all said that to do this he had to essentially) give up his appearance and take on a more humble identity. Yet, one of your most celebrated members, 'BibleThumpinBlonde', clearly takes enormous pride in her appearance. Do you not see how thick you all are? Yes, of course you do, but you're merely a group of social recluses who have made nothing of their lives and wish to have power and superiority over others, so you resort to fanatical Christianity, where you can act all proud and holy around anyone you like, and when faced with a difficult question, merely disregard it. You trawl through popular culture and look for any slight reference to something 'Satanical' just so you can feel like a prophet, someone who is important and of breeding. You claim that homosexuals are evil because somebody wrote it down in a book saying that it was the 'word of God'. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe they were lying? We have absolutely no evidence to ride upon, yet you use the Bible as evidence when it simply just the written word. That is not evidence, that is faith.

I know that I probably won't be around long enough after this to see any of the responses to my questions, but I'm not looking for an answer. I'm trying to make you think, to make you realise that everything that is written in the Bible could be completely and utterly true to the very letter, but also that it could be complete and utter cobblers. Use your loaf, use the brain that God has given you, don't just rely blindly on what other people tell you is true. Think for yourself, choose your ways carefully and in the way that you want to. To be human is to question, so why aren't you questioning God?

There is so much more I want to say, yet so little enthusiasm for you tossers, so I will leave you with this thought:

God is omniscient (to the fuckwits out there that means all-knowing), so he must know the future. If he knows the future, why does he punish us for things he knows we're going to do and therefore have no control over?

Stop living in shadows and open your eyes to the reality that is before you.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Afternoon

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And yet you call yourself a Christian? Say it out loud: "I'm an atheist, and I'm proud!" It won't save you from hell, but at least you won't go there for lying about your belief system.

God is omniscient (to the pifflewits out there that means all-knowing), so he must know the future. If he knows the future, why does he punish us for things he knows we're going to do and therefore have no control over?

Ever hear of predestination? I was going to quote Romans chapter 9, but since you make such a huge point of not reading the Bible, Mr. "Christian," what's the use?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Afternoon

God is omniscient (to the pifflewits out there that means all-knowing), so he must know the future. If he knows the future, why does he punish us for things he knows we're going to do and therefore have no control over?

Yes and no. God is all knowing so he knows the future already. But that does not mean there is nothing for us to learn.

I spend a lot of time thinking about this. For example why did God leave Adam and Eve alone if he would know in advance what would happen?

I think the point of all this is not about God, but about us. God is almighty and all knowing, but we are just simple beings. God does know in advance what will happen but we do not. So for us the choices we make matter, even if God knows in advance what we will choose. We do not know this in advance so for us it is a real choice.

I think it is comparable to raising a child. In many cases the parent knows in advance what will happen, but still the parent allows the child to figure it out on his own so the child will learn from the experience. I think it works the same with God and us.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Afternoon

Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule of onanizing yourself to gay internets porn to register here to spew your hatred of Christians all over us.

The Word tells us we are blessed by your persecution.

Matthew 5:10-12
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Amen

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: Afternoon

somebody wrote it down in a book saying that it was the 'word of God'. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe they were lying? We have absolutely no evidence to ride upon, yet you use the Bible as evidence when it simply just the written word. That is not evidence, that is faith.

Scratch a liberal Christian, find an atheist.

[The Hand]

Re: Afternoon

Another devil messenger in disguise as a Christian, sent to sew discord in a house of GOD. Seems they are getting careless though. This one was easily exposed.