Just another vistor

[CuriousGeorge]

Hello everyone,

I think I will just go to the point: I am not a believer in what you describe as God, I however do believe in an universal, atemporal, perfect being creator of all things. You will surely say that I’m going to hell just for saying this but I’m not here to defend my beliefs. I am here with an open-minded spirit to understand better your beliefs (I know there’s an article about your beliefs), even though I will most certainly always disagree with some of them. I am not here to attack your beliefs or ask you to believe in mine.

I have a Cartesian mind and the only part of the forum I will spend my time on is the “science” part because that’s what I know best. Instead of making a new post or exposing what I believe in a thread, I will just do it here:

I believe that science and religion are not enemies but rather they complement one another, meaning that religion is here to explain what science can’t explain with rigorous Cartesian explanations. I think that scriptures should not be interpreted literally (simply because almost none of you have ever read The Holly Bible only the KJV1611). I think that creationism and evolutionism can coexist by putting the time scale to our scale, 1 day for God is HUGE for us maybe what’s meant in the Bible is that the process of creating mankind was on God’s time scale.

I will not claim to have read the Bible, because I haven’t. If I ever start reading the Bible, one thing is sure is that I will do it the only way that it should be done by people who pretend to be True Christians and that is to read the original version on Hebrew and Greek. I have no basis in Hebrew therefore the Bible will have to wait until I do.

I hope you don’t hate me too much for writing what I just wrote (or at least the first paragraphs, because you know as well as me that I am 100% right for the last one)

Respectfully,

CuriousGeorge

P.S.: I chose this character as my name not because he’s a monkey and I believe in evolution (I know that if I don’t clarify someone will point this out) but because he represents curiosity and eagerness to learn new things, just like me.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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[Jedediah]

Re: Just another vistor

You speak a lot of nonsense, boy. You need to get ahold of a KJV 1611 pronto and read every word contained within; then, you need to live by those words.

Your assertion that you can't be bothered to read His Word until you are fluent in Greek and Hebrew is a bunch of hooey! The KJV 1611 is not only as good as the original manuscripts, it is better!

There are three "translations" spoken of in the Bible. In all three cases, the translation referred to is better than the original. Since we accept the Bible as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice, the Bible's "practice" will have more authority than any "mere human" opinion.

The first "translation" found in Scripture is found in II Samuel 3:7-10:

And Saul had a concubine, whose name was Rizpah, the daughter of Aiah: and Ishbosheth said to Abner, Wherefore hast thou gone in unto my father's concubine? Then was Abner very wroth for the words of Ishbosheth, and said, Am I a dog's head, which against Judah do shew kindness this day unto the house of Saul thy father, to his brethren, and to his friends, and have not delivered thee into the hand of David, that thou chargest me to day with a fault concerning this woman?
So do God to Abner, and more also, except, as the LORD hath sworn to David, even so I do to him;
To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.

After the death of King Saul in I Samuel 31, Abner, who had been the captain of Saul's army installed Ishbosheth as King instead of David (II Samuel 12:8,9). Later Ishbosheth and Abner had a falling out. Abner, in anger, announces to Ishbosheth that he is going to "translate" the Kingdom of Israel from Ishbosheth to David.

It is obvious by Abner's statement of II Samuel 3:9 that the LORD wanted David to be king over all twelve tribes of Israel. Therefore, the "translation" of the kingdom of Israel to David was BETTER than the "original" state which has a split kingdom with David rightly ruling over one portion and Ishbosheth wrongly ruling over the other section.

The second "translation" found in Scripture is found in Colossians 1:13:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Here the "translation" spoken of is the conversion of a lost sinner to a new life in Jesus Christ. No one in their right mind could even pretend that this translation is not a massive improvement over the "original" condition.

The third "translation" found in Scripture is found in Hebrews 11:5:

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

The word "translate" only appears five times in scripture. Once in II Samuel, once in Colossians and the remaining three times here in Hebrews 11:5.

A Christian with even a shallow knowledge of the Bible is familiar with the story of Enoch from Genesis 5. Enoch walked with God and is known to have pleased God. He was a prophet (Judges 14) and a man of faith. God saw fit to physically take Enoch to Heaven so that he would not have to experience death. This individual action is a miniature version of what Christians call "The Rapture," mentioned in I Corinthians 15, I Thessalonians 4, Titus 2 and various other places in the Bible. Since the word "Rapture" appears nowhere in Scripture, a more proper name for this future occurrence might be "The Blessed Hope" (Titus) or "The Catching Up" (I Thessalonians) of "Our Translation" (Hebrews).

It is obvious that Enoch's translation was an improvement over his original condition.

Thus we see that every "translation" in our final authority on all matters is an improvement over the original.

If you are a simple Bible believer you will have no trouble accepting this. If you worship education or just hate to be wrong, you will reject this Bible Fact as easily as you have rejected every Bible Fact that you couldn't agree with.

Now which will you follow Curious George, the Bible or men?

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Just another vistor

Hello everyone,

I think I will just go to the point: I am not a believer in what you describe as God, I however do believe in an universal, atemporal, perfect being creator of all things. You will surely say that I’m going to hell just for saying this but I’m not here to defend my beliefs. I am here with an open-minded spirit to understand better your beliefs (I know there’s an article about your beliefs), even though I will most certainly always disagree with some of them. I am not here to attack your beliefs or ask you to believe in mine.

I have a Cartesian mind and the only part of the forum I will spend my time on is the “science” part because that’s what I know best. Instead of making a new post or exposing what I believe in a thread, I will just do it here:

I believe that science and religion are not enemies but rather they complement one another, meaning that religion is here to explain what science can’t explain with rigorous Cartesian explanations. I think that scriptures should not be interpreted literally (simply because almost none of you have ever read The Holly Bible only the KJV1611). I think that creationism and evolutionism can coexist by putting the time scale to our scale, 1 day for God is HUGE for us maybe what’s meant in the Bible is that the process of creating mankind was on God’s time scale.

I will not claim to have read the Bible, because I haven’t. If I ever start reading the Bible, one thing is sure is that I will do it the only way that it should be done by people who pretend to be True Christians and that is to read the original version on Hebrew and Greek. I have no basis in Hebrew therefore the Bible will have to wait until I do.

I hope you don’t hate me too much for writing what I just wrote (or at least the first paragraphs, because you know as well as me that I am 100% right for the last one)

Respectfully,

CuriousGeorge

P.S.: I chose this character as my name not because he’s a monkey and I believe in evolution (I know that if I don’t clarify someone will point this out) but because he represents curiosity and eagerness to learn new things, just like me.

Mr Monkey,

There is no hate whatsoever in my heart towards you as you don't have to answer to me. You will however have to answer to God. All I can suggest is, that you don't trifle with Him and give your life to the Lord, posthaste!!

You also have made many an unfounded claim when referring to the wonderful Brothers and Sisters of LBC. You cannot in any honesty profess to know what any of us HAVE researched and studied or not.

Frankly Chimpy, what you "think" is irrelevant, especially when you have admitted you have not even read the only True and Correct Bible: that being the KJV1611.

As you profess to be "science minded" this little tidbit should be of interest, as it PROVES SCIENTIFICALLY that Genesis in the KJV1611 was divinely Authored! Praise God INDEED!!

And I quote:

"We conclude that the proximity of ELS's (Equidistant Letter Sequences) with related meanings in the Book of Genesis is NOT DUE TO CHANCE."
("Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis", Statistical Science, August 1994, p.434 )
"The phenomenon cannot be attributed to ANYTHING within the KNOWN PHYSICAL UNIVERSE, human beings included."
("Divine Authorship?", Biblical Review, October 1995, p.45)

Three mathematical statisticians, Doron Witztum, Eliyahu Rips and Yoav Rosenberg of the Jerusalem College of Technology and the Hebrew University, discovered words encoded in the Genesis text that was humanly impossible!
For they found related names, events and dates from the nineteenth century!

Only someone who knows the future could have placed them there!

The three mathematicians submitted their findings to the prestigious scientific journal Statistical Science for publishing, Editor Robert Kass, said:

"Our referees were baffled: their prior beliefs made them think the Book of Genesis could not POSSIBLY contain meaningful references to modern day individuals, yet when the authors carried out additional analyses and checks the effect persisted." ("Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis", Statistical Science, August 1994, p.306 )
Here's the details of their amazing discovery:

The Hebrew text of Genesis (the textus receptus or Masoretic text, which ONLY the King James Bible is from, ALL new versions use other texts) was converted to a continual string of letters. The letters were placed into a two-dimensional array, which simply means, the letters were divided into rows, each row containing a certain number of letters.

^--http://www.av1611.org/genesis.html

So put THAT on your bunsen burner and light it!

YIC,

WS.

[True Disciple]

Re: Just another vistor

Hello everyone,

Hello, mr. George. Welcome to these forums.

I have a Cartesian mind

I have a True Christian(tm) mind. That's the only one that gets you a ticket to Heaven, you know.

I believe that science and religion are not enemies but rather they complement one another, meaning that religion is here to explain what science can’t explain with rigorous Cartesian explanations.

Well, we can partly agree with this, the Bible and True Science(tm) certainly are complementary with one another, as True Science(tm) is founded upon a literal True Christian(tm) understanding of the Bible.

Of course, there is an enormous conflict between what secularists call "science," you know, that stuff that teaches that dust made a monkey out of itself, and the Bible. Similarly, there is a huge conflict between True Science(tm) and false religions, like those that deny the Global Flood.

I think that scriptures should not be interpreted literally (simply because almost none of you have ever read The Holly Bible only the KJV1611).

Well, I've certainly not read the "Holly Bible," nor have I ever heard of it. Is that some Celtic pagan transcript or something? It sounds like it.

About Scripture, if you do not "interpret" some parts literally, why would you interpret other parts literal? How do you make the distinction?

The only excuse for interpreting Scripture as non-literal is when it is explicitly mentioned to be not literal, like in Jesus' parables.

I think that creationism and evolutionism can coexist by putting the time scale to our scale, 1 day for God is HUGE for us maybe what’s meant in the Bible is that the process of creating mankind was on God’s time scale.

That makes no sense. The Bible nowhere supports the notion that the days of Creation would be anything else than literal days, and as I've said before, if Scripture not explicitly allows for it, it shouldn't be taken metaphorically.

I will not claim to have read the Bible, because I haven’t. If I ever start reading the Bible, one thing is sure is that I will do it the only way that it should be done by people who pretend to be True Christians and that is to read the original version on Hebrew and Greek. I have no basis in Hebrew therefore the Bible will have to wait until I do.

The KJV is the only Bible you'll ever need to read. You see, because God wanted His Message to reach as many ears as possible, He made sure that a Bible Version became available which contained His Infallible Word. This Version is the KJV. How do we know that? Because the KJV is the most read Bible in the world, and no other Bible Version has reached so many ears. Logic dictates that the KJV therefore is the True Version, as God would have to make the most succesfull Version to be the True One if He wanted His Message to be heard by as many people as possible.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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I have a Cartesian mind

Is that French for "retarded"?

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Just another vistor

Hello everyone,

BLAH BLAH THERE IS NO GOD BLAH BLAH SPIRITUAL BLAH SCIENCE BLAH BLAH I'M SUPER SMART BLAH BLAH YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF IDIOTS BLAH BLAH BLAH I HATE THE BIBLE BLAH BLAH I LOVE JEWS AND GREEKS BLAH BLAH IN CASE YOU MISSED IT EARLIER, I'M SUPER SMART

My first thought after reading that post was "SO WHAT!?!"

Then I thought a bit, and I decided my initial reaction was just fine actually. Oh, and I know it's already been stated, but if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, you're going to burn for all eternity, Mr. Smartypants!

[CuriousGeorge]

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BLAH BLAH THERE IS NO GOD

Ahahahah!!! Never said that or thought that, I just don't believe in the the same way you do. Who's right about their way of thinking will be revealed at the time of our death

BLAH BLAH SPIRITUAL BLAH SCIENCE

I don't get that part, I know you're saying I'm just saying a bunch of crap but you apparently tried to summarize it in an intelligible way, which this part isn't. Did you mean that I'm trying to re conciliate science and religion, if yes that you're right

BLAH BLAH I'M SUPER SMART

I'm no smarter than you, I just hope I'm not less smart than you.

BLAH BLAH YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF IDIOTS

Never said that. It's not because I don't entirely agree with your beliefs that I think you're idiots.

BLAH BLAH BLAH I HATE THE BIBLE

Quote please. I just disagree with the fact that what men wrote is better than God's original writings. And I said I would read it eventually

BLAH BLAH I LOVE JEWS AND GREEKS

Well, are all people born jewish or greek eternal sinners? Anyway I don't see why I'd hate them.

BLAH BLAH IN CASE YOU MISSED IT EARLIER, I'M SUPER SMART

In case you missed it earlier: I'm no smarter than you, I just hope I'm not less smart than you.

Here is to the other people who answered my post:
to Billy Bob Jenkins:

Is that French for "retarded"?

Nope, French for retarded is: debile, abruit, imbecile, retarde mentale, faible d'esprit, con and I'm sure I'm missing some. However I'm glad you tried a foreign language.

to True Disciple:

Well, I've certainly not read the "Holly Bible," nor have I ever heard of it. Is that some Celtic pagan transcript or something? It sounds like it.

Ahahahah!!!! it might be! You really read the posts very carefully!!

About Scripture, if you do not "interpret" some parts literally, why would you interpret other parts literal? How do you make the distinction?

I don't interpret any of them literally this way there is not confusion. I'm consistant.

The KJV is the only Bible you'll ever need to read. You see, because God wanted His Message to reach as many ears as possible, He made sure that a Bible Version became available which contained His Infallible Word. This Version is the KJV. How do we know that? Because the KJV is the most read Bible in the world, and no other Bible Version has reached so many ears. Logic dictates that the KJV therefore is the True Version, as God would have to make the most succesfull Version to be the True One if He wanted His Message to be heard by as many people as possible

One could argue with that but as I said, I'm not here to argue with you. If you want me to give you, I'd be happy to do so.

To wintersnow:

You also have made many an unfounded claim when referring to the wonderful Brothers and Sisters of LBC. You cannot in any honesty profess to know what any of us HAVE researched and studied or not.

I never said that none of you did study the Original Bible (in Hebrew and Greek). I'm sure there are some of you who did, or at least I hope so. I think that doing a poll on that would be interesting, but I won't initiate it.

As you profess to be "science minded" this little tidbit should be of interest, as it PROVES SCIENTIFICALLY that Genesis in the KJV1611 was divinely Authored! Praise God INDEED!!

I'm glad to hear it, even though I'm not really into language of "science" (I put it in quote by respect for the people here on this forum, not because of what I think) I will look into this study, hopping that the way it was done was mathematically correct.

to Jedediah

Your assertion that you can't be bothered to read His Word until you are fluent in Greek and Hebrew is a bunch of hooey! The KJV 1611 is not only as good as the original manuscripts, it is better!

I never said I can't be bothered to the the Bible before I'm fluent in both languages. Plus I already one down (greek), even though I'm not fluent I should be able to translate what's said with a dictionary.

Now which will you follow Curious George, the Bible or men?

I walk the line in between, which, I think you would agree, is better than only men.

Thank you all for welcoming me. Honestly I thought I would be aggressed by a bunch of over reacting stupid people attacking me without any reflection or "justification" but I was very pleased by your warm welcome. I still I'm not convinced my most of what you said, however I'm glad to say that I learned a lot, which is a very good start, I'm really looking forward to sharing ideas with you.

Curious George

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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I'm sticking with "so what" for now.

But I'll add this. God doesn't give a flying crap about "good intentions" or "thoughtful consideration." God wants devotion, God wants people to follow His rules. And His rules are the KJV 1611 Bible, end of story. If you don't follow the KJV to the letter, you're damned. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.00, GO DIRECTLY TO HELL!

You can be all clever and cute on OUR forum, but if you're not with God, you're against Him. Now, I may not have quoted you directly in my response, but you and I both know I had the gist of what you were spouting 100% correct.

You're less of an idiot than the average unsaved trash that wanders in here, so I actually wish you would stick around for a while, as I have the dimmest of hopes that you may see the errors of your ways and come to Jesus.

[Levi Jones]

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Thank you all for welcoming me. Honestly I thought I would be aggressed by a bunch of over reacting stupid people attacking me without any reflection or "justification" but I was very pleased by your warm welcome. I still I'm not convinced my most of what you said, however I'm glad to say that I learned a lot, which is a very good start, I'm really looking forward to sharing ideas with you.

Curious George

We generally give as good as we get. We can be tough, but we are usually fair. I'm sorry you are a mere hell bound deist.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[True Disciple]

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I don't interpret any of them literally this way there is not confusion. I'm consistant.

You don't take any Scripture literally? Then what, according to you, do these verses mean, if they are not supposed to be taken literally?

Exodus 20:14:
Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Ruth 4:18-22:
Now these are the generations of Pharez: Pharez begat Hezron, And Hezron begat Ram, and Ram begat Amminadab,
And Amminadab begat Nahshon, and Nahshon begat Salmon,
And Salmon begat Boaz, and Boaz begat Obed,
And Obed begat Jesse, and Jesse begat David.

Matthew 3:17:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

John 6:10:
And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.

John 19:17-18:
And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

[unsaved sinner]

Re: Just another vistor

Welcome.

Now Nick off!!!!

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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French for retarded is: debile, abruit, imbecile, retarde mentale, faible d'esprit, con...

Thanks, but I don't need no lesson in French. Are you some kind of French faggot?

[LydiaJohnson]

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Curious George? Isn't that a bisexual monkey in a Disney cartoon?