[Levi Jones]

Re: Intro !

John 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 5:30 - I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

What more do you need ??

What more do you need?
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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John 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 5:30 - I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

What more do you need ??

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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How do you circumcise God ?

I have sat back and allowed you to blaspheme God for quite a while now, but I must draw the line at suggesting God has no penis. I must respectfully ask you to stop suggesting that God is a woman. If God were a woman, he would be less than a man, and that just cannot be. I did not know that mooslims believed God was a woman. I am appalled.

[Levi Jones]

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Ok then.. Explain to me if you can this passage from the KJV

Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

A man.. The miracles and wonders and signs. Which God did by him. Jesus didn´t do it.. God did it..

I would say you are grasping at straws. Look further in the chapter.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Here's more.

2 Thess. 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
Col. 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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Who was in the womb? Jesus. How did he get out of there? Like you and me. Imagine a baby being born. Slimy and bloody. That´s God ? Who made his mother impure for 40 days? No, the human mind repels that thought..

The birth of a holy God made the mother impure ?

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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Ask any Christian this.. Who is the son of man? Jesus. 83 times he is mentioned as the son of man. 13 times he is adressed as the son of God.

Jesus is the son of man.
So dwell a bit on this verse..

Job 25:6 - How much less man, [that is] a worm? and the son of man, [which is] a worm?

Luke 2:21 - And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

Woow. How do you circumcise God ?

[Ahmad_Deedat]

Re: Intro !

Ok then.. Explain to me if you can this passage from the KJV

Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

A man.. The miracles and wonders and signs. Which God did by him. Jesus didn´t do it.. God did it..

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Stop right there.

Before you go any further at cramming your cult down our throats, answer THESE QUESTIONS.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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Hmm.. This is so frustrating..

19:30 - [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

19:31 - And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive

19:32 - And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.

19:33 - And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."

19:34 - That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.

19:35 - It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.

19:36 - [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path."

19:37 - Then the factions differed [concerning Jesus] from among them, so woe to those who disbelieved - from the scene of a tremendous Day.

19:38 - How [clearly] they will hear and see the Day they come to Us, but the wrongdoers today are in clear error.

19:39 - And warn them, [O Muhammad], of the Day of Regret, when the matter will be concluded; and [yet], they are in [a state of] heedlessness, and they do not believe.

19:40 - Indeed, it is We who will inherit the earth and whoever is on it, and to Us they will be returned.

[Lisa H]

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Gods word was corrupted by man and the correction is The Holy Quran.. Which still stands as God true uncorrupted words..

3:45 - Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

5:75 - The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.

The Bible is Gods Word. Why would you say the Quran is uncorrupted is the Gods words. The Quran and Mohammad denies Jesus is the Son of God.

Jesus warned of false prophets that are out to deceive;
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

By denying Jesus is the Son of God, then the Quran has corrupted the Word of God.
Where are the Biblical stories and parables that are in the Bible, but not in the Quran?
Much of the Quran is about Mohammad, so how can it be the Word of God?

Also God has given mankind the will to believe in him or not. If a person no longer wants to believe in God then they will persecuted by the Lord in their eternal life. Mohammad and the Quran say that person must be killed. Therefore you are taking away God's gift of free will to believe in Him.

[Lisa H]

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No, Levi Jones used John 10:30 out of context. I brought it back into context. Reread my post.

If you read my post with rest of John 10, then it shows Jesus is the Son of God.

Also we can see this in these verses
Matthew 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

[Lisa H]

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Dear Lisa.. It´s not that I do not want to answer your questions. But I have been working alot these past two days and there are many posts that need answering. Precious little time I´m afraid have been available..

That said..


Let´s then have a look at 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world (The Devil) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Who else blinded the minds of them which believe not?

So God, in this own words, calls the Devil, The God of this world. But the Devil is not really God is he?

Not all is to be taken literally..

Thanks for your reply. I will respond to your points in different posts.

2 Corinthians 4
1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

This is talking about worshiping man made gods, not just Satan. This can be seen in the line "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not" notice god is in all lower case, signifying it is not the One True God.

As in today, people back then worshiped false gods and idols. Verse 1 & 2 are showing the true believes, True Christians worship God and are not deceived by false gods and lie. Verse 3 is talking about hiding or taking away the teaching of the Lord and Bible, so not not to allow the truth about the Lord to be known.

Some examples of other or man made gods are given in the Bible;

Judges 8:33 And it came to pass, as soon as Gideon was dead, that the children of Israel turned again, and went a whoring after Baalim, and made Baalberith their god.
Numbers 25:3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
1 Kings 18:18 And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim.

So the verse is really talking about worshiping God and not other gods or trying not hide the truth about God.

Another example can be more clearly seen in this verse
Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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So you're either saying Jesus lied, or that the Bible is incorrect.

Which is it?

Did God let Jesus (whom you claim to be a man) lie, misleading billions into Hell, and not correct it . . .

Or has God let His Word be incorrect, knowingly allowing billions to be misled in to Hell?

Why do you think God is evil and wants people to be misled so they go to Hell?

Gods word was corrupted by man and the correction is The Holy Quran.. Which still stands as God true uncorrupted words..

Cite scripture to back up your assertions please.

3:45 - Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

5:75 - The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.

[Brother Temperance]

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Jesus rose from the dead not by his own will or doing but by that of God. If I die and God decides that I must rise and live on that won´t make me divine at all.

And Jesus does not give anyone eternal life on his own but again by the will of God.

Cite scripture to back up your assertions please.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Jesus rose from the dead not by his own will or doing but by that of God. If I die and God decides that I must rise and live on that won´t make me divine at all.

And Jesus does not give anyone eternal life on his own but again by the will of God.

So you're either saying Jesus lied, or that the Bible is incorrect.

Which is it?

Did God let Jesus (whom you claim to be a man) lie, misleading billions into Hell, and not correct it . . .

Or has God let His Word be incorrect, knowingly allowing billions to be misled in to Hell?

Why do you think God is evil and wants people to be misled so they go to Hell?