[Levi Jones]

Re: Intro !

So the Jews surround Jesus, point their fingers and demand answers.

John 10:26 - But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 - My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

I find no problem find the fact that Jesus and God are one in that text. In fact, it is backed up repeatedly in John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.

If you read the Book of John, you would know.

So. When we look into the context Jesus is not telling the Jews that he is the son of God, rather than telling them : In purpose we are one.

The Jews though where not satisfied. They wanted to stone him.

Friend, you are not telling us anything we don't already know about the joos. They are rotten to their core and begging for Christ's perfection as are you people.

John 10:32 - Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John 10:33 - The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Nothing makes me more sad than how many times my savior was almost killed by the joos.

Still, you are way off the mark. Looking further into John 10:
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

If God Almighty called them Gods are we to take that literally ?? No!
God spoke to Moses and said: Behold, I have made you a God to Pharaoh.

Chapter and verse from the Bible, please. The Old Testament readily accepts the existence of other gods.

Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

In your own texts,

Those who disbelieve and turn from the way of Allah and then die disbelievers, Allah surely will not pardon them.

He is not really a God but that is the way the jewish language is made.

Here you have rambled off the argument, considering the Epistles were written in Greek and not by the JJJJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!! you are worried about, friend.

PS. I am untouched by the disgraceful comments made by several members of this forum. You do not follow Messiah´s example..

We preach exactly as we have been taught to by the Bible.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Intro !

How could Mohammad deny the divinity of Jesus? Did he hate Jesus?

[Lisa H]

Re: Intro !

You have taken the verses out of context. Jesus said he was the Son of God. Did you read the rest of John 10, again Jesus mentions God is his Father

John 10
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
42 And many believed on him there.

I do not where you got your, 2 Corinthians 4 from, but this is what it says.

2 Corinthians 4
1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

Re: Intro !

The Bible clearly says so.

Luke 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

It's no stranger to believe than Muhammad flying on the back of a horse or an elephant named Burak to heaven, depending on what you believe.

I´m on the job so I´ll have to make this short..

Please Mr Levi. Do not use verses out of context.. John 10:30 is not to be understood the way you are trying to.

Now.. What is the context really? Jesus trying to convince people that he is the son of God ?

Let us have a look.. I begins in John 10:23 - And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

The Jews then surround Jesus and said "How long do you make us to doubt?"
They believed Jesus to be talking lies. Which we all know is not true. Jesus was preaching the words of God. But the Jews where mad at the Messiah. After all he called them fools, snakes, adulterers, wicked and so on.. And the Jews held a grudge.

So the Jews surround Jesus, point their fingers and demand answers.

John 10:26 - But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 - My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

So. When we look into the context Jesus is not telling the Jews that he is the son of God, rather than telling them : In purpose we are one.

The Jews though where not satisfied. They wanted to stone him.

John 10:32 - Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

John 10:33 - The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Another lie from the Jews. The Jews claim that Jesus blasphemed by claiming divinity and tyou Christians also believe that and that Jesus truly is Godly.
Jesus replies

John 10:34 - Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law (The Torah), I said, Ye are gods?

If God Almighty called them Gods are we to take that literally ?? No!
God spoke to Moses and said: Behold, I have made you a God to Pharaoh.

He is not really a God but that is the way the jewish language is made.

2 Corinthians 4:4 - (And the Devil is) The God of this world.

Does that mean that the Devil is God ?? NO! That is just how the language works. He is in control so the is god.. Moses is god to pharaoh and the Jews are all gods. Do not take it literally..

God has thousands of sons if every word in the books are to be taken literally..

Have a nice day.

PS. I am untouched by the disgraceful comments made by several members of this forum. You do not follow Messiah´s example..

[Levi Jones]

Re: Intro !

How much less is man compared to moon and stars ?

So no. I confess I do not believe Jesus to be divine or the son of God.

The Bible clearly says so.

Luke 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

It's no stranger to believe than Muhammad flying on the back of a horse or an elephant named Burak to heaven, depending on what you believe.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Intro !

I have to agree , I tried to be nice to the sand nigra, but all he did was insult people. The mooslim people are not nice, no wonder God hates them!

[Warner S. Davidson]

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Hmmmmm… I have just caught up with all of this and it appears that I have been duped. My apologies for my foolish judgement

Brothers and Sisters never, ever trust anyone that doesn’t have an American name

I was of the view that Mr. Ahmad_Deedat was here to experience the love of this Ministry and to explore the avenues of becoming an ex-demon and ascending to a worthwhile True Christian™

So it appears that he is nothing more than typical hateful mooslim scum.
Deedat, don't waste our time or God's bandwidth with all of that jibberish and Satanic spells that you have been polluting this Godly site with.

You are a mooslim hypocrite who preaches love and harmony whilst masking the actual and endemic hate and violence of your Quran / terrorist training manual

Because Jesus hates deceivers and loves and cares for True Christians™ only, DESPISED mooslim filth like you will be assured of a slow, painful and degrading death ensued by your ongoing suffering in Hell -

[Brother Temperance]

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No! We hurl the truth against falsehood, and truth obliterates it- see how falsehood vanishes away! Woe to you [people] for the way you describe God!

Quran 21:18

The Bible says, in the Book of Job 25:4

"How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?"

So anyone who is born of a woman is not to be compared with God.

Is Mohammed (Pork Be Upon Him) born of a woman? If so, is he unclean?

And the Bible goes on Job 25:5

"Behold even to the moon, and it shines not; yes, the stars are not pure in his sight."

How much less is man compared to moon and stars ?

So no. I confess I do not believe Jesus to be divine or the son of God.

You believe the moon to be divine, so excuse me for taking your opinions with a pinch of salt.

Come on people. It can´t be that hard !! I don´t care what John or Matthew or Daniel or anyone else said.. Did Jesus ever claim to be God? Or the son of God?

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Not only is Jesus the Son of God, but the relationship between the two is clearly not just one of God working through Jesus, but also of Jesus existing in God. Case closed.

Nonsense.. If Jesus is God´s begotten son then he too must be a God!!?
So God the creator of all and the uncreated, creates another God? The now-created second God then dies to bring salvation to mankind? The sinners created by God?

Why was this verse removed from the Bible ?

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

That's how it happened, and that verse is still in my Bible. I think you'll find that it makes excellent sense, especially in light of the Scripture posted above.

[Lisa H]

Re: Intro !

All I hear from you Ahmad is that Mohammad issued a Fatwa that Jesus was not the Son of God and that is what you are following. Mohammad got it wrong and is only deceiving you.

Look at what Jesus said when he was talking to his twelve disciples.

Matthew 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.


Matthew 10
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

[Titus Templeton]

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I don't care what the satan inspired drivel books say. We ONLY follow the KJV1611 and in OUR book, the verse you are whining about is well in tact! The KJV1611 has been proven to be the work of God.

I find it funny (not ha ha, but pathetic) that you trundle in here, questioning OUR LORD, when the person you follow in your own satan inspired drivel, is some fool whose only alleged great feat was to ride on a winged white" my little pony" to heaven.

Jesus sacrificed Himself for our sins; suffered and died temporarily and then rose again! He didn't need any props like the fake religions do!

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

Amen, sister.

[Phebe Carlyle]

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Well well. Here are a couple of 1 John 5:7´s for you..

The English standard Version of 2001 -
FAKE

The International Standard Version of 2008 -
FAKE

The King James Bible -
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The American standard version -
FAKE

The New Living Translation of 2007 -
FAKE

The Darby Bible Translation -
FAKE

English Revised Version -
FAKE

Why all these versions ?? I thought the Bible was the words of God ??? How can Gods words be revised... Again and again ??

I don't care what the satan inspired drivel books say. We ONLY follow the KJV1611 and in OUR book, the verse you are whining about is well in tact! The KJV1611 has been proven to be the work of God.

I find it funny (not ha ha, but pathetic) that you trundle in here, questioning OUR LORD, when the person you follow in your own satan inspired drivel, is some fool whose only alleged great feat was to ride on a winged white" my little pony" to heaven.

Jesus sacrificed Himself for our sins; suffered and died temporarily and then rose again! He didn't need any props like the fake religions do!

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Why all these versions ?? I thought the Bible was the words of God ??? How can Gods words be revised... Again and again ??

I can resolve that for you, heathen. There is only ONE true Word of God. The rest are of satan, just like the kooran.

Read my sermon on the subject HERE.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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What the heck are you on about? That verse is there, tucked between 1 John 5:6 and 1 John 5:8.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

Well well. Here are a couple of 1 John 5:7´s for you..

The English standard Version of 2001 -
For there are three that testify:

The International Standard Version of 2008 -
For there are three witnesses-

The King James Bible -
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The American standard version -
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

The New Living Translation of 2007 -
So we have these three witnesses--

The Darby Bible Translation -
For they that bear witness are three:

English Revised Version -
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Why all these versions ?? I thought the Bible was the words of God ??? How can Gods words be revised... Again and again ??

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Muhammad has been depicted on the building of the supreme court in Washington since 1934.. No trouble has been made over that.. Because it is not a demeaning depiction..

Get it ?

So your satanic kooran only forids demeaning portraits of the false prophet Moohammad?

5 million islamofascists might disagree with you.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

Re: Intro !

What cave have you been living in. There's a huge fuss about those.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Wikip...es-78167.shtml

Muhammad has been depicted on the building of the supreme court in Washington since 1934.. No trouble has been made over that.. Because it is not a demeaning depiction..

Get it ?