[Ahmad_Deedat]

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The devil, Moses and Jews are not God.
Revelation 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.



Praise Jesus

But he says they are in other verses. So either we take every single word and verse literally or we don´t.. If we do then Jesus is in fact the son of God. Or one of the God´s, cause we then have many..If not it means we have One God Almighty and Jesus is "only" his prophet. The Messiah..

[James Dewitt]

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=Ahmad_Deedat;601547]If we do that then we suddenly have many Gods instead of One Almighty. We have the Devil, Moses, and the Jews also. A great many Gods..

The devil, Moses and Jews are not God.
Revelation 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.



Praise Jesus

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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The Bible(KJV1611) Is true

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Yes you will follow it word for word, no question, no debate!

If we do that then we suddenly have many Gods instead of One Almighty. We have the Devil, Moses, and the Jews also. A great many Gods..

Someone who is crucified, killed, and comes back from the dead sounds pretty divine to me. Besides
John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
How divine is someone who can give eternal life? VERY.

Jesus rose from the dead not by his own will or doing but by that of God. If I die and God decides that I must rise and live on that won´t make me divine at all.

And Jesus does not give anyone eternal life on his own but again by the will of God.

[Brother Temperance]

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Get real.. Please.

How divine is someone who is allegedly crucified and killed ?? Not very.

Someone who is crucified, killed, and comes back from the dead sounds pretty divine to me. Besides
John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
How divine is someone who can give eternal life? VERY.

[James Dewitt]

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Not all is to be taken literally..

The Bible(KJV1611) Is true

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Yes you will follow it word for word, no question, no debate!

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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That just sounds like a lot of thinly veiled contempt for Jesus to me. It seems that if Mo loved Jesus, he would just admit the obvious truth that Jesus is the Son of God. After all, Jesus says God is His Father. Such scripture has been recited over and over for you, yet you, like Mudhammer, persist in denying the divinity of Jesus. So you are calling Jesus a liar. It sounds to me like you and Mohamhead hate Jesus. How do you expect to make friends if you hate Jesus?

Get real.. Please.

How divine is someone who is allegedly crucified and killed ?? Not very.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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Ahmad, why are you not wanting to answer my questions? We are all Brothers & Sisters here.

Dear Lisa.. It´s not that I do not want to answer your questions. But I have been working alot these past two days and there are many posts that need answering. Precious little time I´m afraid have been available..

That said..

You have taken the verses out of context. Jesus said he was the Son of God. Did you read the rest of John 10, again Jesus mentions God is his Father

No, Levi Jones used John 10:30 out of context. I brought it back into context. Reread my post.

I do not where you got your, 2 Corinthians 4 from, but this is what it says.

Let´s then have a look at 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world (The Devil) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Who else blinded the minds of them which believe not?

So God, in this own words, calls the Devil, The God of this world. But the Devil is not really God is he?

Not all is to be taken literally..

[Lisa H]

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Ahmad, why are you not wanting to answer my questions? We are all Brothers & Sisters here.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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No. Quite the opposite..

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:

Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya. Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 651:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus)."

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 652:

Allah's Apostle said, "Both in this world and in the Hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one."

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 658:

Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel."

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 37, Number 4310:

The Prophet (pbuh) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (pbuh). He will descend (to the earth). When you see him, recognize him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizya. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

That just sounds like a lot of thinly veiled contempt for Jesus to me. It seems that if Mo loved Jesus, he would just admit the obvious truth that Jesus is the Son of God. After all, Jesus says God is His Father. Such scripture has been recited over and over for you, yet you, like Mudhammer, persist in denying the divinity of Jesus. So you are calling Jesus a liar. It sounds to me like you and Mohamhead hate Jesus. How do you expect to make friends if you hate Jesus?

[Brother Temperance]

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I´m on the job so I´ll have to make this short..

Please Mr Levi. Do not use verses out of context.. John 10:30 is not to be understood the way you are trying to.

Now.. What is the context really? Jesus trying to convince people that he is the son of God ?

John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 - My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

So. When we look into the context Jesus is not telling the Jews that he is the son of God, rather than telling them : In purpose we are one.

What on earth are you gibbering about? He says "I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." How can you read that in any way that denies his divinity? All that camel piss has rotted your brains.

[Lisa H]

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...

So why don't you want to answer my questions?
Don't you like talking with women?

[James Dewitt]

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Ahmad old friend, may I ask a question?
What do you think of the practice of stoning? I hear you Muslims are pretty hard on sluts, homersexurals and thieves.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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How could Mohammad deny the divinity of Jesus? Did he hate Jesus?

No. Quite the opposite..

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:

Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya. Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 651:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus)."

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 652:

Allah's Apostle said, "Both in this world and in the Hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one."

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 658:

Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel."

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 37, Number 4310:

The Prophet (pbuh) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (pbuh). He will descend (to the earth). When you see him, recognize him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizya. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

[Lisa H]

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[QUOTE=Ahmad_Deedat;600892][QUOTE=Levi Jones;600777]Here you have rambled off the argument, considering the Epistles were written in Greek and not by the JJJJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!! you are worried about, friend.

Exodus 7:1 - And the LORD said to Moses, See, I have made you a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

The book of Exodus was not written in Greek..

You are using the wrong Bible. It says;
Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

What has this got to do with Jesus being the Son of God.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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[QUOTE=Levi Jones;600777]Here you have rambled off the argument, considering the Epistles were written in Greek and not by the JJJJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!! you are worried about, friend.[QUOTE]

Exodus 7:1 - And the LORD said to Moses, See, I have made you a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

The book of Exodus was not written in Greek..