[Phebe Carlyle]

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Nonsense.. If Jesus is God´s begotten son then he too must be a God!!?
So God the creator of all and the uncreated, creates another God? The now-created second God then dies to bring salvation to mankind? The sinners created by God?

Why was this verse removed from the Bible ?

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

What the heck are you on about? That verse is there, tucked between 1 John 5:6 and 1 John 5:8.

Actually, I will post ALL of 1 John 5 to prove my point that you are doing nothing more than bearing false witness not only us, OUR Forum, but also on God; The Lord Jesus Christ!

1 John 5

1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

16If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

21Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You believe that Jesus was crucified and killed? Was that the will of God?? That his Son be tormented, crucified and killed?

Yes, of course! Jesus temporarily suffered and died for my sins, and that was God's will. How can you even question that?

[James Dewitt]

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@ Achmed Doodat, you Mooslims are famous for your stoning ability, have you ever done it, I mean stone someone? It looks like fun, tell me is it? We hope next year when Sister Palin or Brother Huckabee are elected( For Life I Hope) that we will be able to stone heathens, harlots and a few million Mooslims.

[Seth Campbell]

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They are all equal indeed. You can draw any prophet you want though not in a condescending way. As you yourself point out, many middle age drawing exist and no fuss have been made over those.

What cave have you been living in. There's a huge fuss about those.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Wikipedia-Given-Grief-over-Muhammad-Pictures-78167.shtml

Why would I wan´t to bomb anything ? It is the Christian world crusading and spreading Christianity (Democracy?) by the sword.

Yeah, we're not the ones bent on blowing everything up.

[Jo Freddie]

Re: Intro !

Nonsense.. If Jesus is God´s begotten son then he too must be a God!!?
So God the creator of all and the uncreated, creates another God? The now-created second God then dies to bring salvation to mankind?

If you talk to these people long enough you will find the whole Jesus died albeit temporally) thing, was a plot between him and his old man to frame the Jews.

[James Dewitt]

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Nonsense.. If Jesus is God´s begotten son then he too must be a God!!?
So God the creator of all and the uncreated, creates another God? The now-created second God then dies to bring salvation to mankind? The sinners created by God?

Why was this verse removed from the Bible ?

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Jesus is not dead, He is alive and well thank you very much.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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Don't be a retard Jesus died for our sins( temporally), he made the ultimate atonement so we may all have Salvation. Tell me sport what did Mudhammer do for you, besides tell you to drink camel urine and rape goats?
Is it the 79 virgins you are hoping for? Bad news they are not in HELL
You should read the Bible some time, Jesus is waiting.

Nonsense.. If Jesus is God´s begotten son then he too must be a God!!?
So God the creator of all and the uncreated, creates another God? The now-created second God then dies to bring salvation to mankind? The sinners created by God?

Why was this verse removed from the Bible ?

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

[James Dewitt]

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You believe that Jesus was crucified and killed? Was that the will of God?? That his Son be tormented, crucified and killed?

Don't be a retard Jesus died for our sins( temporally), he made the ultimate atonement so we may all have Salvation. Tell me sport what did Mudhammer do for you, besides tell you to drink camel urine and rape goats?
Is it the 79 virgins you are hoping for? Bad news they are not in HELL
You should read the Bible some time, Jesus is waiting.

[Bobby-Joe]

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You believe that Jesus was crucified and killed? Was that the will of God?? That his Son be tormented, crucified and killed?

Yes.

Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of the world. What do you think John 3:16 is about? Humans are so inherently evil we all deserve eternal torture for the crime of merely existing. However God is merciful and wanted to save at lest some of us. Obviously for humanity to be saved there has to be atonement to God for our crime of existing. The only possible price for that is God Himself. That's how evil humans are.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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They are all equal indeed. You can draw any prophet you want though not in a condescending way. As you yourself point out, many middle age drawing exist and no fuss have been made over those.

Today, drawing Muhammad at all is punishable by death, not just "in a condescending way".

Why would I wan´t to bomb anything ? It is the Christian world crusading and spreading Christianity (Democracy?) by the sword.

There is nothing Christian about Democracy. The Bible tells us that Jesus will return and rule as KING, with absolute power and absolute, unchanging law. It says nothing about "the will of the people"!

Christians are only concerned with the will of the people until we are able to establish a theocracy, much like in many Muslim nations, only worshiping God instead of Satan. It has taken over 200 years to manipulate "freedom of religion" into "freedom to be Christian and preach to others using taxpayer funds whether taxpayers like it or not", and we're not quite there yet . . . but with the TEA Party convincing retirees on Social Security, who depend on the government for their survival, that the government is their enemy . . . We'll get there in 2012, if not the 2010 midterm elections!

Then, you see, we won't need to vote anymore.

Have I said too much?

You believe that Jesus was crucified and killed? Was that the will of God?? That his Son be tormented, crucified and killed?

Yes. Jesus was the temporary sacrifice to end all sacrifices. He accepted the torture and death for all humanity, giving the ultimate sacrifice of allowing Himself to be killed, knowing He could resurrect Himself at any time thereafter. He even paid a visit to Hell while He was temporarily deceased (or, as Picasso might call it, His "Blue Period").

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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So you are saying the Jews were able to defy God's will and change His Holy Word. That makes God incompetent or uncaring.

Again, how do you explain how mortals can thwart the Will of God? Freewill is one thing, God allows us to disobey Him, but we can not stop His power. Limiting God's power is the only way the basic assumptions of Islam can be true.

You believe that Jesus was crucified and killed? Was that the will of God?? That his Son be tormented, crucified and killed?

[Bobby-Joe]

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Please! The Jews screwed up the Torah. Else the Gospels would never have come to be.

So you are saying the Jews were able to defy God's will and change His Holy Word. That makes God incompetent or uncaring.

Again, how do you explain how mortals can thwart the Will of God? Freewill is one thing, God allows us to disobey Him, but we can not stop His power. Limiting God's power is the only way the basic assumptions of Islam can be true.

[James Dewitt]

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Come on people. It can´t be that hard !! I don´t care what John or Matthew or Daniel or anyone else said.. Did Jesus ever claim to be God? Or the son of God?

1st John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1st John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1st John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1st John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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And since we are bantering care to explain this to me; since we both agree that God is perfect, all knowing, all powerful and active in the world how do mere mortal men screw His message to the World that God has to keep revising it? That suggest God is incompetent or uncaring, which undermines the whole message of Islam. So explain the contradiction.

Please! The Jews screwed up the Torah. Else the Gospels would never have come to be.

[Ahmad_Deedat]

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Since you missed what the others have written, I like this verse

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I think it sums up Jesus very well.

I did not deny Jesus is also the Son of Man as written in the Bible

1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Daniel 7:13-14
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Come on people. It can´t be that hard !! I don´t care what John or Matthew or Daniel or anyone else said.. Did Jesus ever claim to be God? Or the son of God?

Not one place in the 66 (73) books of the Bible does Jesus claim to be God or the son of God..

I believe Jesus to be one of Gods greatest messengers. The Messiah. He healed the sickly and performed miracles. All by the will of God. Not his own. As he himself states in:

Luke 11:20 - But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come on you.

Matthew 12:28 - But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come to you.

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.

So. The Divine power was never his own. It was given to him by God.

Glory to God for giving such power unto men.

And finally. It seems God has a lot of sons.

Exodus 4:22 - And you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus said the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.

Jeremiah 31:9 - They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.