[Ahmad_Deedat]

Re: Allah vs Jesus

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http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=51000

[Brother Barnabus]

Re: Allah vs Jesus

I'll put $50.00 on Jesus in the 7th round.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You also forgot Jesus, Mr. cameljockey.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Allah vs Jesus

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http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=51000

Nice try Mr. Deedat. You assumed I was a Christian. I'm not. Pointing out errors in the Bible does not in any way answer any of the questions I put. What are you trying to say? That Islam is right just because Christianity is wrong? That's a pretty weak argument. And you picked the wrong person to present it to. I wrote this thread: Historical Errors in the Bible and Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

But none of this has anything to do with the topic at hand. Are you going to attempt to answer the questions I posed? Can you? And since you tried to sneak around the issue, I have a few more now:

Are there bars and stuff in heaven or is it just rivers?

Is Allah the god of the Old Testament?

How will we know if Islam is a true religion when all the apostates get killed?

Why did Allah not reveal the Qur'an in a language more widely spoken on earth such as English, Mandarin, Spanish, Hindu, Urdu or Russian?

Muslims believe that our body parts will testify our sins in the hereafter. Is that true for donated body parts as well?

Scholars in Muslim majority countries such as Tunisia and Turkey have banned the hijab citing the Qur'an. Some scholars say the burqa (with face-veil) is obligatory. Why does everybody interpret hijab verses differently?

Isn't creation of the universe a very easy task for Allah? Why should we thank Allah for something he didn't really put much effort in doing it?

Why does Allah mostly target Muslim majority countries in earthquakes?

Fatimah married Ali when she was 12 and she died when she was 18. She gave birth to at least 5 children in these 6 years. That doesn't look so cool, does it? Even a camel would die living like that.

Since Allah can do everything, can he fart?

Where did Dhul-Qarnayn find Ya'juj and Ma'juj (Gog and Magog)? We can't locate them using our GPS.

Why doesn't the Quran tell us which hadith are trustworthy and which isn't, making us dependant on errorprone and inept humans?

Will Muslims not get bored with rivers of wine, virgins, gold etc. after a quadrillion years in Heaven?

How do you know Muslims won't go to hell for the crime of not using common sense?

If the hijab makes a girl look more prettier than usual, should she wear hijab?

Why did Allah create gay people if he is going to torture them for it later? Or is Allah just a kinky fellow?

Surah 5:3 says Islam was perfected. If so, why are there so many sects?

Is the term 'Sunni' mentioned in the Qur'an?

Why doesn't Allah and Imam Zaman heal Ali Khamenei's hand?

Which death is more humiliating for a prophet of Islam; being crucified or dying of diarrhoea in a public toilet?

Why do you deny the hadith? Is it because you're ashamed that your prophet was a mass-murdering pedophile?

Why do Muslims get so excited about a little black meteorite stone at the corner of the Ka'ba?

If Muhammad was illiterate, why does Sahih Hadith such as Bukhari say he used to write letters?

Why do many Muslim women disagree with their husband getting a 2nd wife even though Allah has allowed up to four?

If a girl is on her period, and can't fast during Ramadan, should she tell male family members or eat in secret?

How do you know whether Muhammad suffered from schizophrenia?

Why do some of you claim sex is only allowed with girls who have had their first menses, when the Qur'an allows sex with pre-pubescent girls?

Females, is it not stupid that guys can have four wives but girls have to stick with one guy?

To this day there is conflict between Sunnis and Shias in Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen and Pakistan. Did Allah plan this?

Islam makes many prophecies about the end of times, but why are none of the modern technologies prophecized?

Why did Allah make the Islamic holy day Friday, the Jewish holy day Saturday, and the Christian holy day Sunday? Does he just like to bask in worship for nearly half the week?

Unitarian Christians believe there is only one God and reject the divinity of Jesus. So what is your position on them?

Isn't banning alcohol in a Muslim country the same as cutting the the forbidden fruit tree and interfering with God testing the human?

Is it better to believe the word of a medieval superstitious illiterate merchant or to scientists analyzing years of research since the Enlightenment?

Caliph Uthman had all different copies of the Quran destroyed[6], so how do you know that his version is the correct one?

Why did God make anal sex a taboo? Did he just want Muhammad to enjoy it all by himself?

Why is the whole Shahadah nowhere in the Qur'an in a complete sentence? Did Muslims make it up?

Did Laleh and Ladan have two souls?

Do you seriously believe in invisible demons called 'Jinns' or are you kidding?

If life is a test, shouldn't alcohol be legal in Saudi Arabia so God could test Saudis?

If the story of Noah's ark is true: What did Noah do with all the feces? There wasn't even adequate ventilation. Hell, what did the meat-eating animals eat? And where were the dinosaurs and buraqs in all this?

Why according to Hadith does God curse people for plucking their eyebrows?

What if the scriptures said that prayer consisted of jumping up and down a dozen times consecutively, would you do it?

How do You know that Allah doesn't love atheists more and that they passed the real test of skepticism?

[Brother Barnabus]

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Dogbone, I never thought we'd be on the same side of any fence with you being a Godless, atheist whore and all, but I must applaud your last post.

[Muhammad bin Ahmad]

Re: Allah vs Jesus

Sorry all for taking so long to reply.

Bush hasn't been in any position of power in the US for two years, dimwit.

Obama is no different, he acts like a loyal dog when he sees the king.

That would explain why Saudi Muslims are destitute, uneducated, underfed, and live in a waterless, desert Hell on Earth.

Actually Saudis are very educated people, and as far as I remember it was Americans who were known for being fat. Would you call the holy lands which is not that different from Saudi hell on earth?

And the minute Saudi oil runs out, which it will in the next couple of decades, Saudi Arabia's income will disappear. The monarchy will have no money to buy peace from the masses, and will be overrun by starving people who think the royals have food. There won't be any food, and the wealthy Christians will close the gates on God-mocking Muslim immigrants who come begging for assistance while insulting Jesus.

Is that supposed to be a funny Hollywood scenario? The oil will stay here for at least a century, after a century we won't need oil anymore.

Let's see:

Park51 isn't a mosque, it's a community center open to the public that has a prayer room;

It doesn't exist yet, and in fact final design isn't completed much less permitting; and

The investors are considering relocating it.

Read the news much, dimwit? You obviously have access to the Internet, try using it for something other than pretending to be a Saudi Muslim.

There's a mosque with the community center, they will pray 5 times a days which makes it a mosque, if they pray the Friday prayer it means it is a jami' which is a bigger mosque (like a cathedral)

[Muhammad bin Ahmad]

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You do not even know your own celebrations. Looks like there is no place in paradise for you.

Stop taking drugs.

[Muhammad bin Ahmad]

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Hey Muhammad. Here are some good statistics on countries with Muslim majorities.

Indonesia - In 1967, an Indonesian governor of Jakarta, Ali Sadikin, organized the first “Miss Drag Queen Indonesia,” and on June 25, 1999, the Indonesian fags held their first smash-mouth insult to God Almighty on the streets known as the Gay Pride Parade in Surabaya. Since then, the Indonesian government made a half-hearted attempt to criminalize the sodomite lifestyle and failed, in 2003. According to this article in the The Age,an Australian Newspaper,transvestites (known as “waria” in Indonesia - meaning “man-woman”) have been warmly accepted by these filthy brutes of Indonesia. This is the reason why Indonesia has taken her whoredoms to the world scale in such secret drag queen contests such as Drag Queen Miss World, which took place in Miri, a city of Sarawak, Malaysia, just north of Indonesia; and the Miss Drag World Universe 2008, where the freak from Indonesia came in first.

Pakistan - Although Pakistan made sodomy illegal in the 90’s they do not institute God’s standard of the death penalty

Bangladesh - The majority of their people are Muslims and the fruit of that looks like this: legalized prostitution; no abortion unless the woman’s life is in danger (wink, nudge, wink, wink); no authorized homosexuality; extreme poverty for the vast majority of their people which includes several thousands of illegal immigrants who flee neighboring nations to try to hide out in the refugee camps set up along the borders of the various other nations surrounding this nation.

Nigeria - According to Avert.org, the age of consent is 13 years old in Nigeria for a boy to have sex with a girl – what is wrong with you nasty freaks? When you teach the youth of a generation that it is okay to fornicate by the time you hit 8th grade, you’ve got some serious problems – whoredoms, both spiritual, and as a consequence, physical. You taught the youth that God is a liar, saying that you can live any way you want, and you can be a pervert, thereby breaking their moral compass. It is because of this that Nigeria has become a hot spot for rapes and HIV/AIDS, and read what the Avert organization has to say about this (By the way, the best way to “Avert” HIV/AIDS altogether is to STOP ANALLY COPULATING AND FORNICATING!!!

Egypt - The luke-warm people of Egypt think that simply looking down upon homosexuality is enough. Well, God’s standard is to let your Yea be Yea and your Nay be Nay. When applied to filthy fags this means you don’t turn a blind eye to sin. As a people, you enforce ALL the laws of God, every single one of them.



Turkey - Lambda Istanbul has hosted a gay pride week each year since 1993, but the government did not allow a parade until 2003. Despite the appearance of it being a recent phenomenon where fags are accepted, it has long been practiced and accepted that men have sex with each other but they don’t have relationships. As long as you’re on top it’s okay.



Iran - In Iran, roughly one out of every four women has killed her baby before birth. Compared to the worldwide average of 35 out of every 1000 women having had an abortion, the Iranian infanticide rate is quite high. Considering that abortion is severely restricted by law in the Islamic Republic (compared to the United States), the rate would surely be much higher if the law is loosened.


Sudan -

Sodomy is illegal in Sudan under Shari'a law, Article 148. In the southern region of Sudan, two fags that are found to be committing sodomy are to be killed by a firing squad, according to Aleu Akechak Jok, an appellate court judge, reported in the Contemporary Review (published 2004). According to UNHCR (published 1998), the Tazir School of Islamic law, which prevails in Sudan, prescribes 100 slashes for a first offence, plus five years in prison and a fine left to the judge's discretion. For a second offence, the punishment is 100 lashes and a ten-year jail sentence. And, for a third offence, the punishment is death or life imprisonment. The sentences cannot be appealed, and the death penalty is usually carried out by stoning or public hanging. But the hypocrital government of Sudan is somehow immune to their own laws, it would appear:
Government soldiers and the Janjaweed (Sudanese nomads on the backs of horses/camels carrying gun/bayonet weapons; Janjaweed means “armed horseman” in Arabic) have been reported, also in Contemporary Review, to have gang-raped slaves (young boys and girls, especially) that were captured in the religious war of Sudan, and at their pleasing, kill them. That would make them violent fags, pedophile-rapists, and murderers. Under their own Islamic laws, these soldiers should have been put to death…but Sudan is full of oath-breakers and venomous liars, so why should they obey God?

Algeria - Homosexuality – While this abomination is not generally tolerated by Algerians and is made illegal by Article 338 of Algerian law, the sentence is laughable compared to the sentence required by God for a righteous nation. The punishment is imprisonment for two months to two years and a fine of 500 to 2,000 Algerian Dinars (about $6 to $28). They impose this silly penalty despite the fact that, according to God’s moral law, people who engage in that sin are to be put to death:

Afghanistan - In the year 2000 the holier than thou, deeply religious Taliban issued a ban on opium production in Afghanistan which resulted in Opium production reportedly dropping 90%. After the U.S. invasion in 2001 the Taliban had an epiphany and reversed their edict. Apparently, fanatical Muslims and the Koran do not care if you enslave people with opium if it lines their pockets with money.

Morocco - Moroccans claims their main exports are minerals, seafood products and citrus fruit. In fact, their truly main export is hashish. In June 2009, Spanish police arrested a group using helicopters to bring large amounts of hashish from Morocco into Spain. They pretended they were using the helicopters to take people on photo shoots, when in fact they were using the helicopters (as well as high-speed boats) to ship the drugs. Spain serves as Morocco’s main point of entry for cannabis from which hashish is produced. Morocco is a top producer of hashish, with Moroccan police seizing over 110 tons of hashish in 2008 (though not to worry, that was down from 117 tons in 2007). See http://www.middle-east-online.com/en...occo/?id=32653.

Iraq - “Pleasure marriage” is a fancy term for prostitute. Iraq allows men and women to enter contracts ranging from one hour to ten years for a whore on the side; they have to pay her. They pretend this was a way to help widow women make a living. What? Yes, that’s what they claim. Today, a few “women’s rights” groups and some of the pompous hypocritical clerics of Iraq say this might really be more about the lust of their men.

Malaysia - While Malaysian law continues to outlaw sodomy and its religious tenets oppose homosexuality, the “gay” agenda is already making inroads. For example, Marina Mahathir, the daughter of Malaysia’s Prime Minister, has publicly called for an end of discrimination based on sexual orientation. She is well known as a leader in many non-governmental organizations such as the Malaysian AIDS Foundation.



Uzbekistan - Abortion is legal during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. The government recently took steps to keep women from procreating as God has instructed since Adam and Eve and have sent directives that women be fitted with IUDs and are pressuring gynecologists to insist that their patients do so.

Yemen - Homosexuality is illegal in Yemen, with punishment ranging from flogging to death. However, the wall is already beginning to crumble, and much of the fag agenda is being pursued in Yemen via internet. See http://globalgayz.com/country/Yemen/...ws-and-reports

Syria - Same-sex relations in Syria is illegal, however the government takes little to no action against them. Not only does the government hide under a rock when they should be carrying out the law against these filthy beasts, they run away and allow the United Nations to step in and use their influence to educate secondary schools about HIV/AIDS. Guess what kids? AIDS is an incurable curse from God. Fags and AIDS go hand in hand. You disobey God and He curses you!

Kazakhstan - There are no longer any laws prohibiting sodomy in Kazakhstan. They had one - Article 104 in their Penal Code - but alas, they kiss fag ass and enable those dogs.

Niger - There are no laws forbidding homosexual conduct. Most of the people of Niger, at this point, do not consider fag sex acceptable behavior, but ‘tolerate’ those who engage in the filth. In other words, they might as well say, “You be a quiet filthy little fag and I’ll be an adulterous pervert and it is all good.” There is no consideration for God’s Holy standard of moral purity and provoking one another to obedience. It’s “every man is right in his own eyes” ruling the day.

Burkina Faso - Let's first cover the commandment of the Omniscient God on this serious, soul-damning matter, to wit: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Leviticus 18:22. Alright, so here we are told the completely unambiguous, unyielding statute: NO SODOMY! And why is this? The verse tells us - it is abomination, meaning 'a disgusting thing' or 'to be abhorred, loathed and despised'. Don't do this act because God hates it. Now we have something to compare the Burkinabe's actions to, AKA their duty to know God's standards and keep them (Eccl. 12:13). There are lots of little facts and statistics that could be told here to describe whether the Burkina Faso government has applied THIS standard, but only one question really matters. Did they make it a crime worthy of death (Lev. 20:13)? Answer: NO - you fail! You can go on about your "good morals" and care of going against "public decency" all you want, but until you align yourselves with the Almighty God you are lukewarm and will be spewed out!

Mali - As of 2007 (Pregnant Pause), abortion is still legal in Mali for the cause of rape and in order to save the mother’s life. Rape + Baby ≠ Justified Murder of Baby. Baby – Life of mother ≠ Justified Murder of Baby.

Senegal - Divorce is common in Senegal, and there are no restrictions as long as it is filed with a court.


Tunisia - Divorce is legal in Tunisia, and shall only take place in court. Divorces are granted to both husbands and wives, “at the will of the husband or at the request of the wife”. If the fault for the divorce lies with the husband, the wife is said to be “wrongfully” divorced, and may be awarded Mut’ah – lump sum or monthly payments (like maintenance). The parties are then free to remarry, and many do thereby committing the sin of adultery. Listen up! God Hates Divorce and Adultery!


Guinea - Guinea law prohibits polygamy, yet the authorities recognize that more than half of the women in Guinea are in polygamous relationships. These brutes are willingly ignorant of God’s standard of one man, one woman, for life.


Do I have to keep going?

The Muslim world is in ruin now because it's the end times, soon the Mahdi will come, and Jesus will return, so Islam will once again become a godly one powerful nation.

Saudi Arabia - LGBT rights are not recognized in Saudi Arabia and homosexuality is seen as an immoral act and is considered a serious crime. Any Saudi citizen infected with HIV or AIDS is given free medical care, is granted protection of privacy and is given special employment opportunities. God is cursing this nation with AIDS and this government attempts to protect those cursed by God with this pestilence. Guess what, fags and AIDS go hand and hand! You disobey God and He curses you!

You have more aids than us, the people who got aids deserve free medical care because most of them are repenters and some were not guilty.

[Muhammad bin Ahmad]

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Why do Mooslims drink camel piss,

That's a questionable hadith, only some Bedouins do that.

Why do Mooslims eat camel dung, that's even nastier? Why do Mooslims have sexural relations with camels, that is just wrong? Why do Mooslims hate the entire world?

These are all lies.

[Muhammad bin Ahmad]

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John 8: 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus says he already existed even before Abraham was alive, and Abraham was born around 2000 BC. "I Am" was the name of God revealed to Moses. Jesus is saying He is eternal and He is God.

Before Abraham was what? Your gospel makes no sense, besides, Abraham lived around 4000 years ago the world is billions of years old.

Unless you're a prostitute?

Allah forgives prostitutes, but repenting doesn't mean you are immune from sharia punishment

Oh dear, your ignorance is showing again. You don't even know that it was John, not Paul, that wrote Revelation? I am supposed to listen to you because...?

There's no proof that John wrote it.

Proven scientifically you say? Can you cite some research articles for me?

And I don't know many grown women who play with dolls...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAp20je2viU

God himself in his created science says they are grown enough to marry and have children, I don't need your fake atheist commie evolution theory to tell me what's a woman.

Ok, so the first quote says Allah could have a son if he wanted. But the second says that it is impossible for the creator to have a son. Why would God be so offended by this, if it is indeed possible for him? It either is or isn't. Can Allah have a son?

Allah can if he wanted but his pride is far greater than adopting a son. Can you drink from the toilet chair? would you?

[Muhammad bin Ahmad]

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Your modern corruption of the laws of God is offense. Allah never changes! Either clean with water or stones, blasphemer.

I actually use water, but I don't have to if I have something better, I don't see anything better but if there's then Islam permits it, Islam doesn't allow things to change but beneficial things can be used over the known things.

[Muhammad bin Ahmad]

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Hey Muhammad. I'm fascinated by the Muslim religion, really. I wonder, could you answer these questions for me?

Sure.

Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources, 1. A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. My question is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology? If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed or that was new?

I didn't see a single proof of those claims.

Does the wine in heaven contain alcohol? What is the alcohol percentage? I might become interested in Islam after all.

Only Allah knows how good the wine in heaven is like, all we know its thousands of times better then the one we have.

When exactly do you believe that the Bible was corrupted and by whom? This question is important because it is actually quite easy to demonstrate to a Muslim that when Muhammad recited the Qur'an, he made clear statements which show that he did not believe that the Bible was corrupt at that time. The Qur'an calls on Christians to adhere to the Scriptures that they possessed. There are also verses in the Qur'an which state that John the Baptist and Jesus were taught the Torah by Allah. If this is the case, then the Torah was still intact (according to the Qur'an) during the first century. Add to this the fact that we have in our possession the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint which predate John and Jesus' birth by some 200 years. Thus it is easy to demonstrate (for anyone who is willing to examine the facts) that according to the Islamic worldview and the manuscript evidence, it is impossible for the Bible to have been corrupted. The logical questions go on and on here. See:
www.answering-islam.org/Bible/multi.html
www.answering-islam.org/Bible/Text/wijngaards.html
www.answering-islam.org/Bible/jrwhy.html

The bible was corrupted by many men in many ages, including rabbis and priests, it was corrupted for the purpose of money, power, and both. The 4 gospels themselves are f.a.k.e ones, chosen by a homosexual Greek emperor 300 years after the so called death of Jesus.

The Qur'an says "To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward" (Surah 5:9).

1. Question: Are you doing enough good deeds to receive salvation on the Day of Judgment?
2. Question: Are you doing all you can or are you relaxing in your dedication to Allah?

I believe I do enough, after all, Allah is the most merciful!

[Muhammad bin Ahmad]

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WRONG, the regiment my sons are in do go to these areas, you never hear them coming and you are dead when they leave

You wish, Your soldiers die everyday, your only cowardly option is drones which cost you 13 trillion dollars!

[Levi Jones]

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There's no proof that John wrote it.

Of course there's no proof, except he signed his name to it.

Revelation 1:1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

[Lisa H]

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Stop taking drugs.

Is that the best you can come up with.

You never mentioned what they were celebrating, why they were celebrating, or how they were celebrating.

The picture you supplied could just as easy be True Christians playing around a camp fire having fun.