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  • Historical Errors in the Bible

    -The Gospel of Matthew says King Herod the Great ordered the massacre of all boys under 2 in the area around Bethlehem. No record of this is found in any other document, not even in Josephus' writing, who wrote extensively about King Herod's life and includes incidents that would pale in comparison to this.

    -The Gospels tell the story of a herd of possessed pigs in the town of Gedara, who run off a cliff and into the sea. Gedara is thirty miles from any sea.

    -The Gospel of Mark gets the geography of Israel totally wrong. It mentions travelling from from Tyre by way of Sidon to the Sea of Galilea, which would be like travelling from New York to Washington by way of Los Angeles. He mentions a town called Dalmanutha which does not exist.

    -Many other examples of improbable reconciliations could be offered. Since Matt has a Sermon on the Mount and Luke has a similar Sermon on the Plain (Matt 5:1; Luke 6:7), there must have been a plain on the side of the mountain. Since Matt has the Lord's Prayer taught in that sermon and Luke has it later on the road to Jerusalem (Matt 6:9-13; Luke 11:2-4), the disciples must have forgotten it, causing Jesus to repeat it. Mark 10:46 places the healing of the blind man after Jesus left Jericho, while Luke 18:35; 19:1 places it before Jesus entered Jericho. Perhaps Jesus was leaving the site of the OT Jericho and entering the site of the NT Jericho!

    -The Gospels say that after Jesus died, the veil in the Temple was torn, the entire world was covered in darkness, and there was an earthquake where the graves burst open and the dead inside them came back to life. None of this is recorded anywhere other than the Bible.

    -When was Jesus born? According to Luke, it was during the reign of the Roman governor Quirinius, during a census ordered by Augustus throughout the whole world.According to both Luke and Matthew it was also during the reign of king Herod "the Great."The problem is that Herod died in 4 B.C.E., and this was fully ten years before Quirinius' census. Furthermore, during Herod's reign, no Roman census could have been held in his territory, which included both Judaea and Galilee, the locations of both Bethlehem and Nazareth. Herod would have collected his own taxes, and given tribute to the Romans. Lastly, the existence of a census throughout the whole empire is contrary to the practice of the Romans, who collected taxes province by province, often subcontracting the process to "publicans."

    -Though Luke 1:5 dates the birth of Jesus in the "days of Herod, King of Judea," who died in 4 B.C., he wants the journey from Galilee to Bethlehem to have occurred in response to a census called when "Quirinius was governor of Syria." As historians know, "the one and only census conducted while Quirinius was legate in Syria affected only Judaea, not Galilee, and took place in A.D. 6-7, a good ten years after the death of Herod the Great." In his anxiety to relate the Galilean upbringing with the supposed Bethlehem birth, Luke confused his facts. Indeed, Luke's anxiety has involved him in some real absurdities, like the needless ninety mile journey of a woman in her last days of pregnancy - for it was the Davidic Joseph who supposedly had to be registered in the ancestral village, not the Levitical Mary. Worse yet, Luke has been forced to contrive a universal dislocation for a simple tax registration: who could imagine the efficient Romans requiring millions in the empire to journey scores of hundreds of miles to the villages of millennium-old ancestors merely to sign a tax from! Needless to say, no such event ever happened in the history of the Roman empire, but Micah 5:2 must be fulfilled.

    -The story of Jesus' temptation is stolen from other religions! The hoofed god Pan is the prototype of Satan, and there is a pagan legend which relates how the young Jupiter was led by Pan to the top of a mountain from which he could see the countries of the world. This mountain was called the 'Pillar of Heaven.’ which perhaps explains the introduction of the pinnacle of the temple into the story. Zoroaster, the founder of the Persian religion, went into the wilderness, and was tempted by the Devil; Buddha did likewise, and was tempted; Moses and Elijah had both dwelt in the wilderness, and the former fasted on Sinai forty days, while the latter fasted on Horeb forty days; Ezekiel had to bear the iniquity of the house of Tudah for forty days; the destruction of mankind in the Deluge lasted forty clays; there were forty nights of mourning in the mysteries of the pagan Proserpine; there were forty days of sacrifice in the old Persian 'Salutation of Mithra'; and so forth."

    -The Jews said unto him: "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham'' If Jesus was then but about thirty years of age, the Jews would evidently have said : "thou art not yet forty years old," and would not have been likely to say: "thou art not yet fifty years old," ... ;' therefore, if Jesus was crucified at that time he must have been about fifty years of age; but, as we re-marked elsewhere, there exists, outside of the New Testament, no evidence whatever, in book, inscription, or monument, that Jesus of Nazareth was either scourged or crucified under Pontius Pilate. Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny, Philo, nor any of their contemporaries, ever refer to the fact of this crucifixion, or express any belief thereon

    -In the nineteenth century an eminent scholar, Rabbi Wise, searched the records of Pilate’s court, still extant, for evidence of this trial. He found nothing.

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    There are many similarities between stories about Jesus and contemporary myths of Pagan godmen such as Mithras, Apollo, Attis, Horus and Osiris-Dionysus, leading to conjectures that the Pagan myths were adopted by some authors of early accounts of Jesus to form a syncretism with Christianity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus cache version)

    -It is widely accepted that the Gospel accounts were influenced by the Old Testament. Advocates of the Jesus Myth believe that the gospels are not history but a type of Midrash; creative narratives based on the stories and prophecies in the Hebrew Bible.

    -Now is it not strange that the crucifixion should take place during the Passover? Among the Jews, this was a most sacred occasion. For them to crucify anyone at this time, they would have to break at least seven of their religious laws. Why then did they profane it with murder?

    -Crucifixion was a slow death. It usually lasted several days. Death followed from exhaustion, inability to respire property as a result of being in an upright position or attacks by wild animals. Why did Jesus, who was a fit and healthy man used to walking the countryside for long distances, die so quickly in only a matter of a few hours?

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    Vinegar is often considered to have a stimulating effect, rather similar to smelling salts. Why, in Jesus's case, did it suddenly lead to his death? (John 19:29)

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    Pontius Pilate, as he is depicted in the Gospels, appears to be a decent person who consents only reluctantly to the crucifixion of Jesus. History paints a different picture of him. He was a procurator of Judea from A.D. 26 to 36, and he was a cruel and corrupt man. Why is there no criticism of him in the Gospels?

    -The story of Barabbas being freed in exchange for Jesus is pure fiction. Two Gospels describe a Roman custom of freeing a prisoner during Passover festival, but no such policy ever existed on the part of the Romans. A Roman procurator, especially someone as ruthless as Pilate, would likewise never consent to the pressure of a mob.

    -The three Synoptic Gospels have Jesus being arrested and condemned by the Sanhedrin on the night of the Passover. This could not be real history because the Sanhedrin, by Judaic law, were forbidden to meet over Passover. The Gospels state that the arrest and trial occurred at night, but the Sanhedrin “were forbidden to meet at night, in private houses, or anywhere outside of the precincts of the temple

    -Another historical impossibility in the crucifixion story is the removal of the body of Jesus from the cross. According to Roman law at the time, a crucified man/woman was denied burial. The person was left to the elements, birds, and animals, which completed the humiliation of this form of execution.

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    Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

    Originally posted by Bogdana Alkeav View Post
    tl;dr
    Whenever the Holy Bible and history are contradicting each other, history is wrong!

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      Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

      @Bogdana Alkeav

      You seem to forget the bible is written by human beings fully enlightened by god. What god told them to do, they did. And so they also formed the bible.
      We all know a human can make mistakes. And there will be minor errors in the bible. But the errors you have given are ridiculous..
      What are you trying to prove with it ?

      For example :
      -The Gospels tell the story of a herd of possessed pigs in the town of Gedara, who run off a cliff and into the sea. Gedara is thirty miles from any sea.
      That might be the case now, but a lot of years ago there might have been a flood or any other disaster there that could have changed the distance.
      And even then, pigs can travel.. 30 miles is not that much for a pig, let alone a possessed one.

      So please come with a purpose first before mentioning false historical errors before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself ^^.
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        Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

        Exactly, Brother Cranky. I like how these naysayers think they are so smart and say "Well the Bible's history contradicts with the Roman history, so the Bible must be wrong." But if it's one word against another's, how do they know the Roman history isn't wrong?

        Also, one argument I really, really hate is "Well this story only appeared in the Bible and not in any other text so it must be false." Like for example, the crucifixion of Jesus or His resurrection. Just because it only appears in the Bible does not make it untrue. There could've even been references in external text which are either lost to history or remain to be discovered.

        Besides, the AV1611 King James Bible is the Word of God(r) so that alone is all you need to know.

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        • #5
          Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

          Bogdana Alkeav,

          You certainly seem to be going to great lengths to deny The Word of God.

          Why do you hate Jesus so much to believe these secular, satanic lies?

          I will only address one of your points for now, as I have pies in the oven and once cooled have to take them to a Bake Sale.

          -The Gospels tell the story of a herd of possessed pigs in the town of Gedara, who run off a cliff and into the sea. Gedara is thirty miles from any sea.
          I can understand heathens like yourself not understanding, nor even researching things prior to posting. It is too apparent you are using FALSE scripture- NIV perhaps?

          Isaiah 6:9 refers to you here:

          And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

          Here is the correct and TRUE Word from the KJV1611

          Matthew 8:28-34

          "And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

          And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.

          So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

          And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.

          And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought him that he would depart out of their coasts."


          If you had researched a little, you would realize that Gergesa (NOT GEDARA) was a small town on the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee.

          Gergesa is modern day Kursi. There is a large mountain, 2,000 feet high, that slopes steeply downward and into the Sea of Galilee. At this location, there is only 40 feet of land from the base of the mountains to the water. There is a dedication to Jesus' casting the possession into swine at that very location too.

          I do hope that clarifies matters for you.

          YIC,

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            Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

            Thank you for that, Mrs. P Wintersnow.

            It is very nice to know the slope is still usable should we have need of it again.
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              Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

              Originally posted by Oakland "Reb" Griner View Post
              Thank you for that, Mrs. P Wintersnow.

              It is very nice to know the slope is still usable should we have need of it again.

              Indeed Brother! Perhaps we could take several nay-saying heathens there on a Pilgrimage!

              They had just better watch their footing.

              YIC,

              Mrs.P.Wintersnow




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              Just see what He offers me....
              Down here my sins forgiven,
              Up there a home in heaven
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                Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

                Originally posted by Bogdana Alkeav View Post

                -The Gospel of Mark gets the geography of Israel totally wrong. It mentions travelling from from Tyre by way of Sidon to the Sea of Galilea, which would be like travelling from New York to Washington by way of Los Angeles. He mentions a town called Dalmanutha which does not exist.
                Apparently your lack of knowledge of Ancient Israel is as crude as your knowledge of America.

                Dalmanutha did indeed exist but it was also known as Magdala (Matthew speaks of it in Matt 15:39) and also known as Taricheae (as Josephus referred to it). People back then would have understood the references as being one and the same, just as now, Los Angeles is also known as LA LA Land and "the city of dreams" just to name a few. On a map though, La La Land NOR "City of Dreams" doesn't "exist" as a place per se, but we all know that it means one and the same thing. New York - The Big Apple - same thing and as you know there is no place on a map called THE BIG APPLE.

                You are clutching at straws to find fault on this one, Missy.

                I am also bewildered as to why you make a feeble point as to the route Mark decided to take and what business it is of yours anyway.

                I know I have personally traveled and when doing so, I went via the most bizarre routes to get to my desired destination. Even a trip I am going on to America just next month, I am going via Fiji, then flying into New York, just to end up eventually in my desired destination over on the West Coast.

                So you see, it is not out of the ordinary to take certain detours, even if they are to some "out of the way".

                YIC,

                Mrs.P.Wintersnow.




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                Just see what He offers me....
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                Up there a home in heaven
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                  Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

                  Originally posted by Mrs. P Wintersnow View Post

                  If you had researched a little, you would realize that Gergesa (NOT GEDARA) was a small town on the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee.

                  Gergesa is modern day Kursi. There is a large mountain, 2,000 feet high, that slopes steeply downward and into the Sea of Galilee. At this location, there is only 40 feet of land from the base of the mountains to the water. There is a dedication to Jesus' casting the possession into swine at that very location too.
                  Now, you quoted what the KJV says Matthew says. But how about Mark?

                  Mark 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes. (KJV1611).

                  What's that?! Mark says it takes place in Gadara!! And what's this?

                  Luke 8:26 26And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.

                  But it gets more complicated then this, because this is just what the KJV says.

                  The most reliable texts of the parallel account in Matthew 8:28-32 have "Gadarenes", while in the Gospel of Mark it's "Gerasenes."

                  Gerasenes, a third place now. The early manuscripts and later Bible translations have mixed and matched these names to endless confusion.

                  Neither Gerasa nor Gadara have cliffs that border on a body of water. Gadara is eight miles from the Sea of Galilee and seven miles from the Jordan River, and Gerasa even further away. As scholar Mahlon H. Smith pointed out, "The site usually shown tourists as the location of this exorcism—Kursi below the slopes of the Golan 12 miles north of Gadara—has cliffs that descend to the sea but lacks evidence of a settlement in the 1st c. CE and or any association with either Gadara or Gerasa.

                  The earliest copies of Mark say Gerasa. Mark is the earliest gospel. Matthew changed it Gadara which would be slightly more logical. In the year 300, the church father Origen changed it to Gergesa for no reason other than he felt that spot made more sense.

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                    Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

                    Originally posted by Mrs. P Wintersnow View Post

                    Dalmanutha did indeed exist but it was also known as Magdala (Matthew speaks of it in Matt 15:39) and also known as Taricheae (as Josephus referred to it). People back then would have understood the references as being one and the same, just as now, Los Angeles is also known as LA LA Land and "the city of dreams" just to name a few. On a map though, La La Land NOR "City of Dreams" doesn't "exist" as a place per se, but we all know that it means one and the same thing. New York - The Big Apple - same thing and as you know there is no place on a map called THE BIG APPLE.

                    You are clutching at straws to find fault on this one, Missy.
                    I'm sorry, actually you are the one clutching at straws. There is no reason to relate Dalmanutha with Magdala other than Matthew mentions that place in a parallel story. Well, the gospels often have the same event taking place in different places, so that's not evidence. Considering Matthew wrote after Mark, I think it's more likely that Matthew chose to insert the name of a REAL place there.

                    There is NO evidence of any place Dalmanutha. No evidence that Dalmanutha was another name for Magdala. This was only a lame excuse invented by Christians to reconcile two contradictory gospels and explain a place that no records indicate ever existed.

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                      Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

                      Originally posted by Bogdana Alkeav View Post
                      Gerasenes, a third place now. The early manuscripts and later Bible translations have mixed and matched these names to endless confusion.
                      First of all you should ignore everything but the KJV1611. Even a little child knows that.

                      Second, they might have changed the name of the place over time, one place might have multiple names, these things happen. Once you realize the KJV1611 is perfect explaining these things becomes very easy.
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                        Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

                        Originally posted by Cranky Old Man View Post
                        First of all you should ignore everything but the KJV1611. Even a little child knows that.

                        Second, they might have changed the name of the place over time, one place might have multiple names, these things happen. Once you realize the KJV1611 is perfect explaining these things becomes very easy.
                        No, they didn't change names. Gerasa and Gadara are both well-known, separate cities of ancient times. Gergesa was never a city at all, and is in a completely different spot.

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                          Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

                          -The Flood has me puzzled. The Torah sets the event around 2300BC (i.e. after the original Gilgamesh account on which it was based was actually written). The devastation left only 8 people on Earth. These were Noah, his wife, 3 sons and their wives. However historical records before and after that date indicate flourishing civilisations in China, India and Egypt.
                          To achieve this feat Noahs sons and their wives would have had to reproduce at an alarming rate following the flood, perhaps a million children per couple. These children would have to take on the physical appearance, language, religions, customs, infrastructure, technology and geographical location of the civilizations wiped out in the flood. They would have to discover and settle in Western Europe, Egypt and the Mediterranean, China, India, Sub Saharan Africa, North and South America and various peripheries of these places. Some of them would have to re-invent gunpowder and currency while others would have to forget the invention of the wheel and writing (and of course Yahweh). All of this would have to happen in the space of a decade or so. According the Genesis however Noah had only 14 grandchildren.

                          -The Ancient Egyptians were prolific in keeping records, yet there is NO evidence at all of anything in Exodus! Rain frogs, plagues, the death of every firstborn, the entire Egyptian army and the Pharaoh dying in the Red Sea while pursuing runaway slaves - the Egyptians bother to record stuff much, much more mundane then this.

                          -The Book of Daniel says that Belshazzar became king of Babylonia after his father, Nebuchadnezzar. Belshazzar was neither king nor son of Nebuchadnezzar.

                          -The Bible tells us the world began six thousand years ago. Ignoring the fact that basic science will tell us this is false, archeology demonstrates there were already five million people in the world in the 6th millennium BC, and several basic civilizations.

                          -The Bible talks of Abraham and Joseph dealing with the Pharaoh of Egypt. At the time the Bible says they lived, the ruler of Egypt was not called Pharaoh.

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                            Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

                            We can either continue this useless one direction debate, or get rid of the pesky god mocker. We all know (exept retardish russians) that the KJV1611 is everything. No matter what people say for negative things about it, they lie. They are obviously jealous about its perfect way of living. Also the king james version is the only way to get into heaven.
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                              Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

                              Originally posted by Bogdana Alkeav View Post
                              Now, you quoted what the KJV says Matthew says. But how about Mark?

                              Mark 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes. (KJV1611).

                              What's that?! Mark says it takes place in Gadara!! And what's this?

                              Luke 8:26 26And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.

                              But it gets more complicated then this, because this is just what the KJV says.

                              The most reliable texts of the parallel account in Matthew 8:28-32 have "Gadarenes", while in the Gospel of Mark it's "Gerasenes."

                              Gerasenes, a third place now. The early manuscripts and later Bible translations have mixed and matched these names to endless confusion.

                              Neither Gerasa nor Gadara have cliffs that border on a body of water. Gadara is eight miles from the Sea of Galilee and seven miles from the Jordan River, and Gerasa even further away. As scholar Mahlon H. Smith pointed out, "The site usually shown tourists as the location of this exorcism—Kursi below the slopes of the Golan 12 miles north of Gadara—has cliffs that descend to the sea but lacks evidence of a settlement in the 1st c. CE and or any association with either Gadara or Gerasa.

                              The earliest copies of Mark say Gerasa. Mark is the earliest gospel. Matthew changed it Gadara which would be slightly more logical. In the year 300, the church father Origen changed it to Gergesa for no reason other than he felt that spot made more sense.
                              You obviously have no proper comprehension of the English language Ruski, let alone that of Ancient Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew, or anything of Biblical Truth.

                              Matthew's gospel uses the word Gergasenes and Luke's gospel uses the word Gadarenes. The words in the KJV1611 represent the same words that are in the Greek texts. However, the passage in Luke is less disputed because there aren't any Greek manuscripts that use a word besides "Gadarenes". Here are the exact verses.

                              Matthew 8:28 "And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way."


                              Luke 8:25 "And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee."


                              These passages can easily be complementary passages. The word "country" is the Greek word "chora" which can also mean region or territory. The region of the Gergesenes and the region of the Gadarenes can occupy this 10 mile stretch of land without stretching the context of the words.

                              Lastly, Mark's gospel uses the word "Gadarenes" (KJV) to describe this place and people.

                              When we use the KJV and take the word "Gadarenes" to the Greek manuscripts, we see the word "Gadarenos". This makes perfect sense because Gadara and Gergasa are in the same region, near the water and near the Sea of Galilee.

                              In conclusion, is the KJV has the closest translation to the original scriptures and the best text to use when doing research.(not that YOU have done any!!)

                              The two demoniacs were in the territory of the Gergasenes and the Gadarenes. The cliff is located at present-day Kursi. This is on the shore of the Sea of Galilee.

                              See?

                              It is oh so simple with you think about it and actually know what you are talking about!

                              YIC,

                              Mrs.P.Wintersnow




                              There's Jesus here,
                              Just see what He offers me....
                              Down here my sins forgiven,
                              Up there a home in heaven
                              Praise God, That's the way for me!!

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