[Morgsara]

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But he basically used people as pencils since he gave some people divine inspirations.

Could you answer some questions for me? If today someone claimed to be the product of Mary, and a second messiah, would you believe her or him?
If someone wrote a newer testament, would you accept it as the word of God?

[Mikhail Susanin]

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Could you answer some questions for me? If today someone claimed to be the product of Mary, and a second messiah, would you believe her or him?
If someone wrote a newer testament, would you accept it as the word of God?

No. God's already said everything that needs to be said.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

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Could you answer some questions for me? If today someone claimed to be the product of Mary, and a second messiah, would you believe her or him?
If someone wrote a newer testament, would you accept it as the word of God?

Absolutely not! Adding to the prophecy is a sin that God punishes severely!

Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

This Bible Verse also shows that it is illegal to pervert the meaning of Scripture by interpreting it and making it fit your own liebral agenda.

[Phebe Carlyle]

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Jones-- I'd say genesis is symbolic and any part about morals is literal.

Shows how little you know.

It's up to the individual to decide, and to use logic.

God states quite clearly that NOTHING in the Bible is open to private or personal interpretation.


1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

1:12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

1:13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;

1:14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

1:15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

This means the only logical action is to follow the Word of God, verbatim!

Hutchins-- I'm completely white, as seen by my picture. But yes, my father is CATHOLIC. Spun from the same thread as Christianity.

More like a bastardization of God's Word by idolators and ring-kissing papist scum. There was only ONE agent for God here on earth and that was JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour!! Not some pope in vatican city, whether the first pope or the one who looks like the antichrist now.

I'd like to ask you the same thing. Indication of intelligence is an acceptance of science. Rejection of science would be an indication of ignorance.

Utter rubbish. Secular science is constantly re-writing itself and rejecting its own theories. Ironically, none of their theories have even come close to eliminating God, like they WANT TO. Sure, many a closed minded dolt may buy into the brainwashing going on by science teachers in secular schools colleges and universities and accept their theories as truth, but I find it interesting that they choose to reject God, despite His word being UNCHANGING and Him being UNCHANGING through thousands of years.

Just like I wouldn't argue with a theologian or devout Christian about the content and organization of the Bible, why would you argue with a scientific expert about science?

There is only one EXPERT in the world on anything and everything and that is God. Claiming that you are or even alluding that some secular science person is an expert on anything, even their own chosen discipline, is the height of arrogance, boastful, shows pride and self worship.

An EXPERT is someone who claims to know everything there is to know about something and needs to learn nothing more. NO science "expert" knows EVERYTHING about secular science, least of all everything to do with life, nor about themselves, just as no Christian can ever know ALL there is to know about God. Life is a constant learning curve, no matter what religion (science included) you put your faith in. The sooner you realize that little girl, the more open and logically minded, you will be.

YIC

Phebe Carlyle

[Morgsara]

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As I was taught:
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
This is not a moral. This is a form of propaganda to instill confidence in followers that God is the only God.

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
This also is not a moral. This has the same purpose as one, to maintain total control.
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
This too is not a moral. Again, for the same reason. It is only so that the name of the lord is not tinged with insult and curse.
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
Point still remains, not a moral, but propaganda so that an entire day is dedicated to holiness.
FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'
Here we go.. a moral of respect of elders who have sacrificed to raise you!
SIX: 'You shall not murder.'
It is morally wrong to kill and take someone's life away.
SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Morally wrong to cheat on spouses and destroy trust.
EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'
It is morally wrong to take something that belongs to another without permission.
NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
It is morally wrong to deceive and lie. Why? Because it inhibits one's ability to know. I cannot know truth if one deceives me.
TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
Coveting isn't necessarily morally wrong, but it leads to morally wrong action, and is the root of unethical behavior.

[BelieverInGod]

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As I was taught:
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
This is not a moral. This is a form of propaganda to instill confidence in followers that God is the only God.

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
This also is not a moral. This has the same purpose as one, to maintain total control.
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
This too is not a moral. Again, for the same reason. It is only so that the name of the lord is not tinged with insult and curse.
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
Point still remains, not a moral, but propaganda so that an entire day is dedicated to holiness.
FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'
Here we go.. a moral of respect of elders who have sacrificed to raise you!
SIX: 'You shall not murder.'
It is morally wrong to kill and take someone's life away.
SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Morally wrong to cheat on spouses and destroy trust.
EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'
It is morally wrong to take something that belongs to another without permission.
NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
It is morally wrong to deceive and lie. Why? Because it inhibits one's ability to know. I cannot know truth if one deceives me.
TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
Coveting isn't necessarily morally wrong, but it leads to morally wrong action, and is the root of unethical behavior.

So why would God send us a 600+ page book if it was all about 10 little rules that don't even fill a full page? Did you not realize that what is commonly called the 10 commandments are really just the first 10 in the long list known as the Law of Moses?

[Levi Jones]

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As I was taught:
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
This is not a moral. This is a form of propaganda to instill confidence in followers that God is the only God.

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
This also is not a moral. This has the same purpose as one, to maintain total control.
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
This too is not a moral. Again, for the same reason. It is only so that the name of the lord is not tinged with insult and curse.
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
Point still remains, not a moral, but propaganda so that an entire day is dedicated to holiness.
FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'
Here we go.. a moral of respect of elders who have sacrificed to raise you!
SIX: 'You shall not murder.'
It is morally wrong to kill and take someone's life away.
SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Morally wrong to cheat on spouses and destroy trust.
EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'
It is morally wrong to take something that belongs to another without permission.
NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
It is morally wrong to deceive and lie. Why? Because it inhibits one's ability to know. I cannot know truth if one deceives me.
TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
Coveting isn't necessarily morally wrong, but it leads to morally wrong action, and is the root of unethical behavior.

That's not how God looks at it. You should read the punishments meted out by God in the Bible for breaking those commandments.

[Phebe Carlyle]

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So why would God send us a 600+ page book if it was all about 10 little rules that don't even fill a full page? Did you not realize that what is commonly called the 10 commandments are really just the first 10 in the long list known as the Law of Moses?

Indeed Sister. There are some 600+ laws God put in place. I for one know that we all, as True Christians abide by each and EVERY ONE of them!!

YIC

Sister Phebe.

[handmaiden]

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Such an odd pastiche of concepts you offer.


You keep stringing together ideas and perspectives in an attempt to sound intelligent and knowledgable, but with every sentence you type, you make less and less sense.


Perhaps you ought to stop now while we still consider you to be a member of the human race.



Zoologically Yours,

Handmaiden

[Morgsara]

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Oooooh! Goody, so much to talk about.
In response to Levi Jones~ I forgot to answer.. No, I do not believe in heaven or hell. So I don't believe in the punishments that God has in store according to you all. I also don't believe in the judgment day. I also don't believe in the punishments meted out for breaking those commandments.
Johannes Kirkeholm~ Okay, but if you accept the adjustments made in the New Testament, people inspired by God, then why can't it happen in modern day? Aren't people today worthy of enlightenment with such wrong in the world?
Phebe Carlyle~ You say God says that the Bible should not be personally interpreted. It is impossible to take something verbatim, there is inevitable personal interpretation. That is how the mind works. As a white christian woman, you interpret something differently than a poorer white christian woman, or a rich white christian man... Your situation changes your interpretation.
Also, considering that the Bible was written by MAN who wanted complete control, it would make sense that they would not want alteration of their word.
Catholicism and Christianity are the product of various splits in the church. Baptist Christianity is a sect of Protestantism, which was a variation of Catholicism. Catholicism is the result of Judaism. By this logic, Catholicism is older and closer to the word of Christ, and more accurate. Protestantism was not created until much after Christ, and Baptism even further after. By this logic, there were three different interpretations of Christ's word before your "unalterable" perspective arose.
I agree that the provisional nature of science makes it as much of a belief as religion. But it is grounded on more evidence than religion, and is much more integral in modernity. Our world would not evolve technologically and culturally if we relied only on religion.
Wouldn't a preacher be an expert of religion? Doesn't claiming to know the Bible or God make you self-worshipping?
I agree that life is a learning curve. I don't think that I know everything. I think that my exploration of the universe, though, is much more rational and logical than some of what I've heard on here.
BelieverinGod~ He didn't drop the book on the Earth, it had to be processed through the bias of man. The Bible is the result of man's interpretation of what they thought God said.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

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Johannes Kirkeholm~ Okay, but if you accept the adjustments made in the New Testament, people inspired by God, then why can't it happen in modern day? Aren't people today worthy of enlightenment with such wrong in the world?

Jesus said that it is as sin to add anything to the prophecy and since He knows everything this must mean that the KJV contains everything that God has to say. The reason that there is wrong in the world is because people ignore the enlightenment (ie. True Christianity(tm)) that is right in front of them. I hope that Sarah Palin or another Godly Tea Party Member becomes president, changes America into a technocracy and starts conquering the world. If people were forced to be True Christians(tm) and to uphold Biblical Law then we would live in a wonderful world without any problems

[Morgsara]

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Can you tell me why True Christianity is trademarked? Or why I would get an infraction for being a feminist, but not for denying the powers of Christ? Or who gives out badges?
If Sarah Palin or a Tea Party Member became president, the United States would be scoffed as the most ignorant, unmodernized, backward country in the world. The things she promotes are the antithesis to democracy and personal liberties. Besides, why would it be okay for a woman to be president if according to you they are so inferior? Personally, I think a woman would do a great job, but responses on this site have told me otherwise.
Also, I think that the Biblical law has caused as many problems as it has solved. There is good reason why people should be wary of following Christianity.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

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Can you tell me why True Christianity is trademarked? Or why I would get an infraction for being a feminist, but not for denying the powers of Christ? Or who gives out badges?
If Sarah Palin or a Tea Party Member became president, the United States would be scoffed as the most ignorant, unmodernized, backward country in the world. The things she promotes are the antithesis to democracy and personal liberties. Besides, why would it be okay for a woman to be president if according to you they are so inferior? Personally, I think a woman would do a great job, but responses on this site have told me otherwise.
Also, I think that the Biblical law has caused as many problems as it has solved. There is good reason why people should be wary of following Christianity.

True Christianity™ is trademarked because a lot of false Christians claim to be Christian when they are actually satanists.

Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Why do you think democracy is a good thing? There is no Biblical support for democracy and the sad fact is that secular laws prevent True Christians™ from doing as God commands. For instance we aren't allowed to hurl rocks at Wizards until they die.

Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

And yes Sarah Palin is just a woman - but she is would make afar better leader than any false christian or, God forbid, an atheist. Of course it would be better if a male Tea Party Member became president. All the problems in this world are caused by people who don't follow the Bible. All diseases, earthquakes and all poverty are caused by people who make God angry.

[handmaiden]

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Oooooh! Goody, so much to talk about.
In response to Levi Jones~ I forgot to answer.. No, I do not believe in heaven or hell. So I don't believe in the punishments that God has in store according to you all. I also don't believe in the judgment day. I also don't believe in the punishments meted out for breaking those commandments.[edited out a sense of mercy for the suffering of others]
Bible is the result of man's interpretation of what they thought God said.

Can you tell me why True Christianity is trademarked?[again, a person can only take so much] There is good reason why people should be wary of following Christianity.

Now see, this is why I advised you shut up. I am now convinced that you are a traumatized parrot who is not receiving its medication. There is probably some odd hook-up to a machine that is translating your seemingly intentional word/squawks into typewritten text that is appearing on a computer screen in this forum.

The technology is impressive, but somebody needs to cover your cage.


Prayerfully Yours,

Handmaiden

[James Hutchins]

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.....................Hutchins-- I'm completely white, as seen by my picture. But yes, my father is CATHOLIC. Spun from the same thread as Christianity.
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Young lady, when you get some free time after the family has eaten and you have finished clearing the dishes and returned to the maids quarters, read this moving piece:Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians