[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, I am a derp :B

You believe there is something out there that you believe wants us to be good, but there's no heaven or hell...

Could you be more convoluted?

He is the very definition of "tardcore", Brother!

Tardcore: Not merely wrong, but obstinately wrong in the face of evidence to the contrary.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Hello, I am a derp :B

Im not religious for a reason. Just looking at your comment, I can see the bible corrupts you into only believing the pages of that book, instead of following your heart and soul. You believe in a book that was found in a tomb, written by an old man who might've been delusional. I'm not saying he is, so you can put down your pitchfork.

Oh please, do tell me this story. It sounds very interesting.

There are many sides to the bible; sides you'll probably never know because you are so opinionated and conpreached.

Now you are accusing me of not studying the whole Bible?

Do you believe you're following what god truely wants? Or maybe you're following what you THINK god wants.

No, I'm following what He says He wants. How much more plainly can I put it?
Wow, just wow. You have earned some awards here.

In my mind, Im sure god wants all humans to live in peace, without war or discrimination. No, I do not believe he's our lord and savior, but I do believe there is something out there.

You believe there is something out there that you believe wants us to be good, but there's no heaven or hell...

Could you be more convoluted?

For you to deny someone's right to love another human being.. Don't you think that your actions are that of a savage beast?

By saying this, you are calling the creator of the heavens and earth a beast.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, I am a dork

Also, you're wrong about the Agnosticism. Agnostics acknowledge the fact that there may or may not be a god. Atheists believe that there is no god and nothing is watching over us. I have atheist friends; I know what they believe in.

Get a dictionary. The misuse of a word does not make that misuse a correct definition. You don't get to redefine words as you please.

http://atheism.about.com/od/definitionofatheism/a/definition.htm

The broader, and more common, understanding of atheism among atheists is quite simply "not believing in any gods." No claims or denials are made — an atheist is just a person who does not happen to be a theist.

Sometimes this broader understanding is called "weak" or "implicit" atheism. Most good, complete dictionaries readily support this.
There also exists a narrower sort of atheism, sometimes called "strong" or "explicit" atheism. With this type, the atheist explicitly denies the existence of any gods — making a strong claim which will deserve support at some point. Some atheists do this and others may do this with regards to certain specific gods but not with others. Thus, a person may lack belief in one god, but deny the existence of another god.

FreeDictionary:

ag·nos·tic (g-nstk)
n. 1. a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.

http://www.answers.com/topic/agnosticism

n.

• The doctrine that certainty about first principles or absolute truth is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge.
• The belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.

You don't have to agree to what I think about religion, but don't say that im wrong because you have a bible up your ass.

You are wrong because the Bible is right, and you are arguing against it. Therefore, Christianity says, and God says, you are wrong.

I can see you want this piece of shit thread to continue because it's a saturday and you don't have to go rape some little boys in the back of a church 'till tomorrow, so by all means, keep adding to this thread till you're happy.

Thanks for showing us more of your typical left-wing tolerance, class, and intellect.

By the way, we're Baptists, not Catholics. Idiot.

[HardcoreAtheist]

Re: Hello, I am a dork

That's not what "agnostic" means. That, actually, is what "atheist" means. And it's not what you've previously stated, which is that you DO believe in a god of some sort, making you deist.


An atheist (as opposed to a theist) does not believe that the available evidence is adequate to support belief in the existence of a god.


An agnostic (as opposed to a gnostic) does not believe that we know or are able to know the nature of God.

"Atheist" and "agnostic" are not on the same continuum. Most atheists are actually agnostic atheists. True Christians™ are gnostic theists.


You need to start with a dictionary before moving to Bible study.


Then why did you join a Christian church's discussion forum, when you do not understand Christianity, have never read the Bible, and don't have any interest in or knowledge of the subject being discussed?


Just wanted to see if you could upset those silly God-botherers, right?


Another jackass demonstrating left-wing "tolerance". "You can believe anything you like, as long as I agree with you."

We don't care what you'd prefer. Neither, for that matter, does God.

God, if you'd bother to read the Bible, loves only those who follow Him. Everyone else? He will resurrect them at Judgment so He may cast them into His Lake of Fire, where they will burn in unending agony with no chance of escape for ever.

Wow, calm down. I guess you skipped over my comment a few posts back. I used to read the bible when I was younger because my mom was trying to force me into religion. Also, you're wrong about the Agnosticism. Agnostics acknowledge the fact that there may or may not be a god. Atheists believe that there is no god and nothing is watching over us. I have atheist friends; I know what they believe in.

I already said, I just joined this thread because my friend asked me to. Having nothing better to do until later today, I agreed to.

You don't have to agree to what I think about religion, but don't say that im wrong because you have a bible up your ass.

I can see you want this piece of shit thread to continue because it's a saturday and you don't have to go rape some little boys in the back of a church 'till tomorrow, so by all means, keep adding to this thread till you're happy.

Go Piffle yourself,
That 'Atheist' Who Burns Bibles <3

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, I am a dork

This is why I don't understand Christianity. You're all saying that "God is right" and "you are wrong", like you can't think for yourself. No, I am not an atheist. I chose my name because I knew it would get more of a reaction from you. I am "Agnostic", which means I will only believe in a religion if you give me some proof.

That's not what "agnostic" means. That, actually, is what "atheist" means. And it's not what you've previously stated, which is that you DO believe in a god of some sort, making you deist.


An atheist (as opposed to a theist) does not believe that the available evidence is adequate to support belief in the existence of a god.


An agnostic (as opposed to a gnostic) does not believe that we know or are able to know the nature of God.

"Atheist" and "agnostic" are not on the same continuum. Most atheists are actually agnostic atheists. True Christians™ are gnostic theists.


You need to start with a dictionary before moving to Bible study.

I can honestly care less about this thread; my friend asked me to state my opinion in it and that's what I did. I'm not hoping to change anyone's opinion or get people to question god's beliefs, I'm simply stating my opinion of this whole mess and why I honestly can't stand christianity and some other religions.

Then why did you join a Christian church's discussion forum, when you do not understand Christianity, have never read the Bible, and don't have any interest in or knowledge of the subject being discussed?


Just wanted to see if you could upset those silly God-botherers, right?


Another jackass demonstrating left-wing "tolerance". "You can believe anything you like, as long as I agree with you."

Actually, I'd rather this whole thread be thrown under the rug and forgotten. Regardless of what your sexual preferences are, you're still human, therefore god probably cares for you.

We don't care what you'd prefer. Neither, for that matter, does God.

God, if you'd bother to read the Bible, loves only those who follow Him. Everyone else? He will resurrect them at Judgment so He may cast them into His Lake of Fire, where they will burn in unending agony with no chance of escape for ever.

[HardcoreAtheist]

Re: Hello, I am a dork

This is why I don't understand Christianity. You're all saying that "God is right" and "you are wrong", like you can't think for yourself. No, I am not an atheist. I chose my name because I knew it would get more of a reaction from you. I am "Agnostic", which means I will only believe in a religion if you give me some proof. No, the bible is not proof; it's a book. If hell comes to earth and demons start dragging people off to the abyss, then I'll start believing, even if it's too late.

I can honestly care less about this thread; my friend asked me to state my opinion in it and that's what I did. I'm not hoping to change anyone's opinion or get people to question god's beliefs, I'm simply stating my opinion of this whole mess and why I honestly can't stand christianity and some other religions.

Actually, I'd rather this whole thread be thrown under the rug and forgotten. Regardless of what your sexual preferences are, you're still human, therefore god probably cares for you.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, I am a dork

Seriously, guys. Put down the bible, zip up your pants, and let the girl love whoever she wants.

We are not standing in her way of loving whomever she pleases.

We are informing her that God condemns same-sex relations (indeed, any relations outside a Godly heterosexual marriage) as abominations, and that committing sin earns one a one-way ticket to God's Lake of Fire.

We are explaining the consequences of her actions, not telling her what she can or cannot do. We do not have the authority to control her actions; only she does.

Let's suppose your neighbor told you that if you drink a bottle of liquor and go driving and hit someone, you will go to jail. Is your neighbor preventing you from drinking? Preventing you from driving? Threatening you with punishment?

No. Your neighbor is informing you of the consequences of your choices. That's what we are doing.

What else would I expect from someone from the Southern States of the U.S.A?

Iowa. Look at a map, dimwit. Midwest =/= South.

And sorry, I just noticed HandMaiden sounded a little dirty ^^

That is because, as we've already established, you are a pervert.

Noun1.handmaiden - in a subordinate position; "ethics should be the handmaiden of theology"; handmaid, servant
subordinateness, subsidiarity - secondary importance

2.handmaiden - a personal maid or female attendant handmaid
housemaid, maid, maidservant, amah - a female domestic

Reading the bible doesn't make you Lady-like. It makes you religious; something completely different.

Her responding politely, with tact and grace, in the face of vulgarities and personal attacks, is what makes her lady-like.

You call her out, saying that she's going to hell for her sins. Her sin is simply being different. You know what will actually happen here? YOU will burn in the fiery pits of hell because you're not accepting another human being.

See above "neighbor - drunk driving" analogy. Would your neighbor go to jail for warning you that the consequence of your decision to drink and drive is jailtime? No.

Regardless of race, gender, and sexual preferences, she is still a human. Her decision to fall in love with either gender is not a sin, nor will it effect your life.

Do you know what a "sin" is?

A sin is anything GOD says is wrong. GOD. Not YOU. GOD.

YOU do not get to determine what is right or wrong. GOD does, and He has already done so and laid it out for us, in the Bible. Maybe you should try reading it before telling us what it says.

Im not religious for a reason. Just looking at your comment, I can see the bible corrupts you into only believing the pages of that book, instead of following your heart and soul. You believe in a book that was found in a tomb, written by an old man who might've been delusional . . .

In my mind, Im sure god wants all humans to live in peace, without war or discrimination. No, I do not believe he's our lord and savior, but I do believe there is something out there.

That doesn't make you much of an atheist, now does it?

Certainly not hardcore. Tardcore, perhaps.

It makes you, in fact, a Deist.

Do you not even know the difference between an atheist (who does not believe that there is adequate evidence to demonstrate the existence of a god) and a Deist (who believes there is a god of some sort but that we do not understand its nature)?

A Deist, by definition, is not atheist, hardcore or otherwise.

There are many sides to the bible; sides you'll probably never know because you are so opinionated and conpreached. Do you believe you're following what god truely wants? Or maybe you're following what you THINK god wants.

It's written in black and white. Ever actually read it? There is only one side, God's side.

For you to deny someone's right to love another human being.. Don't you think that your actions are that of a savage beast?

As I've already stated, we're not denying any of her rights, just explaining the consequences of her choices.

I would say her actions, submitting to animal lusts instead of to God, are those of a beast. Uncivilized, depraved, degenerate, and hedonistic.

[handmaiden]

Re: Hello, I am a dork

Hey, I never said the bible sucked.

And I never said that you said that the Bible sucked (oh, dear, that was distasteful.)

What I have written here, is that I doubt that you have read it closely. Because, given what I can glean of your world view, the following statement . . .

There's a few good stories in there, I've already said that. But everyone's taste is different. I simply see it as another story book, not something to live by.

Seems somewhat lacking in forcefulness. And if you are comfortable with acknowledging that everyone's taste is different, why can you not extend the courtesy of such acceptance to the ideas expressed on this site?

Instead of granting us the right to disagree with you and being on your way, you have engaged us with non-arguments and commented upon our characters, while complaining loudly about any comments made upon your own character.

Case in point being this little gem below . . .

Also, incest doesn't interest me much, but seeing as you're choosing a few keywords that are meant to intrigue, I'm going to presume you enjoy it greatly ^^

This attempt to be clever and suggest that I enjoy incest falls flat. I also mentioned murder and mayhem, are you going to suggest that I enjoy those as well?

My intention in choosing those keywords was to see if you had the slightest idea of what sorts of stories are actually in the Bible. But then, you have stated repeatedly that you prefer children's tales about frogs and enchanted apples.

No doubt, some of the complex moral concerns detailed in the Bible are more than you wish to contemplate.

Furthermore, my dear, while I would not be so coarse as to suggest that you enjoyed incest, I should point out that you described yourself as bi-sexual, then pan-sexual and finally omni-sexual. Whatever that final label means, it certainly means a great deal to you -- so much so that you have made repeated assertions regarding this on a website forum where you have learned by now, such pronouncements will not be met with applause.

Forgive me, but I must return to my earlier deduction that you enjoy the shock value of your announcements. In which case, being told that you are sinful and hellbound pleases you, as it allows you to feel superior and enlightened and perhaps . . . just a bit persecuted?

What else would I expect from someone from the Southern States of the U.S.A?

And sorry, I just noticed HandMaiden sounded a little dirty ^^

I seem to recall that someone somewhere made a comment about making generalizations and how that was a bad thing . . .

Do enjoy your feeling of righteous indignation. It is an excellent cover up for the fact that you are on a Bible discussion website and you have contributed no discussion of the Bible at all.

Reading the bible doesn't make you Lady-like. It makes you religious; something completely different.

You call her out, saying that she's going to hell for her sins. Her sin is simply being different. You know what will actually happen here? YOU will burn in the fiery pits of hell because you're not accepting another human being.

Regardless of race, gender, and sexual preferences, she is still a human. Her decision to fall in love with either gender is not a sin, nor will it effect your life.

As I said before, let the girl fall in love with whoever she likes, as it does not concern you, nor god.

Oh, Mr. Hardcore Atheist, how is you manage to be so correct and yet sound so uninformed?

Reading the Bible does NOT make me ladylike, quite so. My behavior and demeanor as displayed in my writing are what identify me as a lady.

Please recall, that no one "called out" the young lady, in that we did not show up outside her home with a bullhorn and start shouting out our beliefs to her.

She came here and threw her Biblically irregular sexual orientation at us, using the word, "bitches" while she was at it. Being as we exist to provide a Biblically appropriate response to this, it was pointed out to the young lady that GOD will send her to hell-- at least that is what He tells us in the Bible. We try not to question Him, being rather fond of our own unseared skin as we are.

I note that you rather boldly claim, in clamourous colour, I might add, that it is I who will go to hell for my sin of pointing out that God will send her to hell for her sins. All while identifying yourself as a committed atheist.

Tell me, did you obtain the red colour for your post from the crayon that you had previously stuck up your nose?

Once again, you are correct in your assertion that the young lady's sexual orientation has no effect on my life. Indeed. I could have gone my entire life without ever hearing about her "omnisexualism" and been no worse off for the lack.

And when she gets tired of playing her little "shock the Bible thumpers" game, I will continue on my merry way with nary a thought to her and her unusual sexual persuation.

However, while I am perfectly willing to let the matter drop, according to the Bible, God is not. As an atheist, I cannot imagine that will concern you.

Let us, therefore, withdraw from the field of speculation. If the young lady, or yourself, for that matter, wishes to be informed regarding the Biblical perspective on any subject, we are more than happy to oblige.

After all, that is why we are here.

Eversocorrectly Yours,

Handmaiden

[HardcoreAtheist]

Re: Hello, I am a dork

I have held off on posting in this topic for a while now, but felt compelled to say my piece.

Is this the kind of tolerance and diversity you atheists believe in? I've read through all eighteen pages of this topic and, while the atheists have brutally attacked God and the Bible, all while shouting we should "live and let live" and "accept them for their beliefs", never once did I see one of my Brothers and Sisters in Christ respond with anything but a polite and dignified response.

I am especially disheartened at the treatment you lot are giving my Sister handmaiden. She has taken the time to calmly respond to your hateful messages with tact, politeness and honesty while you throw vulgarities and insults her way.

Is this the way your parents raised you? If so, thank you for enforcing my belief that it is absolutely impossible to have any sort of morality without having God in your life.

I will be praying that you, one day, accept what you did here for what it really is; ignorant hatemongering. And I will also be praying for the day you realize that you need the Lord in your life.

YIC,

Lycia

My mother is Catholic, and tried to drill the idea of God into my head by taking me to church and make me pray to a supernatural being that I didn't fully understand.

One day, when I was 8 years old, I asked my mom "Why do I have to believe what everyone else is believing? Am I allowed to think my own way without the guide of a book?" and she replied by slapping me across the face and calling me a demon child. Since then I refused to believe the bible. I'm not truely atheist, but I'm definately not catholic or christian.

I guess you did not read some of the racism said earlier by your bretheren; mocking the country that the girl lives in because she is bisexual.

My main reason for writing on this thread is because I find it wrong that everyone is calling her a sinner, when all she did was love humans for who they are, not for their gender.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Hello, I am a dork

I have held off on posting in this topic for a while now, but felt compelled to say my piece.

Is this the kind of tolerance and diversity you atheists believe in? I've read through all eighteen pages of this topic and, while the atheists have brutally attacked God and the Bible, all while shouting we should "live and let live" and "accept them for their beliefs", never once did I see one of my Brothers and Sisters in Christ respond with anything but a polite and dignified response.

I am especially disheartened at the treatment you lot are giving my Sister handmaiden. She has taken the time to calmly respond to your hateful messages with tact, politeness and honesty while you throw vulgarities and insults her way.

Is this the way your parents raised you? If so, thank you for enforcing my belief that it is absolutely impossible to have any sort of morality without having God in your life.

I will be praying that you, one day, accept what you did here for what it really is; ignorant hatemongering. And I will also be praying for the day you realize that you need the Lord in your life.

YIC,

Lycia

[HardcoreAtheist]

Re: Hello, I am a derp :B

Very hardcore atheist, telling someone they will burn in hell.

Can you show me where in the Bible it says that?

Im not religious for a reason. Just looking at your comment, I can see the bible corrupts you into only believing the pages of that book, instead of following your heart and soul. You believe in a book that was found in a tomb, written by an old man who might've been delusional. I'm not saying he is, so you can put down your pitchfork.

There are many sides to the bible; sides you'll probably never know because you are so opinionated and controlled. Do you believe you're following what god truely wants? Or maybe you're following what you THINK god wants.

In my mind, Im sure god wants all humans to live in peace, without war or discrimination. No, I do not believe he's our lord and savior, but I do believe there is something out there.

For you to deny someone's right to love another human being.. Don't you think that your actions are that of a savage beast?

[proteastantguy]

Re: Hello, I am a derp :B

Bi-sexual is a lie. You cannot be a fornicator of both men and women at the same time. You are either heterosexual or homosexual.

SURA 17
32. And go not nigh to fornication; surely it is an indecency and an evil way.

Would you please stop quoting from your satanistic book?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Hello, I am a derp :B

Reading the bible doesn't make you Lady-like. It makes you religious; something completely different.

You call her out, saying that she's going to hell for her sins. Her sin is simply being different. You know what will actually happen here? YOU will burn in the fiery pits of hell because you're not accepting another human being.

Very hardcore atheist, telling someone they will burn in hell.

Can you show me where in the Bible it says that?

[HardcoreAtheist]

Re: Hello, I am a derp :B

So, you still indicate no interest in reading the Bible, even though you are expending a great deal of energy at a Bible-based site, trying to sound clever.

Really, if you wish too make a good showing for yourself, just read its words and enter into a civilized discussion.

Now, if you would rather analyze Grimm's Fairy Tales, there are probably other sites out there where you can pontificate to your heart's desire.

I must take exception to your point about the Grimm's Brothers collection being better than the Bible. The Bible has everything you need for a great read. There are great battles, mighty kings, evil pharaohs, damsels in distress, murder, mayhem, sex scandals. incest -- you name it. No princesses, though, and fewer pretty dresses. Is that why it does not hold your interest?

Regarding my username, I chose "Handmaiden"; any other title was bestowed upon me. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion of my character, though frankly, between the two of us, I honestly believe that I have behaved with a bit more ladylike decorum in this exchange. Among other things, I did not use the term, "bitches" in addressing anyone; something that you did in your very first post, if I recall.

So, if you feel that you are essentially more decent and ladylike than myself, I encourage you to demonstrate that fact.

In the meantime, I will endeavor to live up to the title that has been assigned to me by people on this site who have witnessed my own behaviour and manner for some time now.

May I also point out, that I have not come onto your favorite forum and inserted myself into your fellowship with other like minded companions and addressed them all as "bitches", nor have I employed any other profane expressions?

Most Properly Yours,

Handmaiden

Reading the bible doesn't make you Lady-like. It makes you religious; something completely different.

You call her out, saying that she's going to hell for her sins. Her sin is simply being different. You know what will actually happen here? YOU will burn in the fiery pits of hell because you're not accepting another human being.

Regardless of race, gender, and sexual preferences, she is still a human. Her decision to fall in love with either gender is not a sin, nor will it effect your life.

As I said before, let the girl fall in love with whoever she likes, as it does not concern you, nor god.

[DerpHurr]

Re: Hello, I am a derp :B

So, you still indicate no interest in reading the Bible, even though you are expending a great deal of energy at a Bible-based site, trying to sound clever.

Really, if you wish too make a good showing for yourself, just read its words and enter into a civilized discussion.

Now, if you would rather analyze Grimm's Fairy Tales, there are probably other sites out there where you can pontificate to your heart's desire.

I must take exception to your point about the Grimm's Brothers collection being better than the Bible. The Bible has everything you need for a great read. There are great battles, mighty kings, evil pharaohs, damsels in distress, murder, mayhem, sex scandals. incest -- you name it. No princesses, though, and fewer pretty dresses. Is that why it does not hold your interest?

Regarding my username, I chose "Handmaiden"; any other title was bestowed upon me. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion of my character, though frankly, between the two of us, I honestly believe that I have behaved with a bit more ladylike decorum in this exchange. Among other things, I did not use the term, "bitches" in addressing anyone; something that you did in your very first post, if I recall.

So, if you feel that you are essentially more decent and ladylike than myself, I encourage you to demonstrate that fact.

In the meantime, I will endeavor to live up to the title that has been assigned to me by people on this site who have witnessed my own behaviour and manner for some time now.

May I also point out, that I have not come onto your favorite forum and inserted myself into your fellowship with other like minded companions and addressed them all as "bitches", nor have I employed any other profane expressions.

Most Properly Yours,

Handmaiden

Hey, I never said the bible sucked. There's a few good stories in there, I've already said that. But everyone's taste is different. I simply see it as another story book, not something to live by.

Also, incest doesn't interest me much, but seeing as you're choosing a few keywords that are meant to intrigue, I'm going to presume you enjoy it greatly ^^

What else would I expect from someone from the Southern States of the U.S.A?

And sorry, I just noticed HandMaiden sounded a little dirty ^^