[True Disciple]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I am sorry but the same goes with Matthew 5:38-42, 22:39 and Luke 6:27-31

The Verses you keep quoting never contradict 2 John 9-11 in any way, which teaches that we shouldn't welcome non-Christians. Let's have a look at them:

Matthew 5:38-42:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Note that Luke 6-27-31 gives us the same message, so this answer applies to both of them.

These Verses teach that we shouldn't get too angry about people mistreating us, as, like Matthew 5:10-12 teaches, we are blessed by their persecution. They do not teach us to befriend them. Actually, there are many more Passages which forbid socializing wih unsaved people, like 2 Corinthians 6:14-17, 2 Thessalonians 3:6 and 1 Corinthians 5:11.

Matthew 22:39:
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The question here is: "who is my neighbour?" Luckily, an opponent of Jesus already asked Him that question (Luke 10:29-37, the parable of the good Samaritan). Jesus' answer, of course, is that he who shows mercy is the neighbour of the beaten man. In other worlds, only good people are counted as our "neighbours." This, again confirms Passages like 1 Corinthians 5:11, that tell us to separate ourselves from sinful people.

[gentleJ]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The Verses you keep quoting never contradict 2 John 9-11 in any way, which teaches that we shouldn't welcome non-Christians. Let's have a look at them:

Matthew 5:38-42:

Note that Luke 6-27-31 gives us the same message, so this answer applies to both of them.

Yet they are not the same. How do you difine an enemy: a person who opposes our beliefs or that who does not show mercy? Either way, in addition to how we should be with our neighbours Jesus continues edifying us on how we should treat our enemies as well:

But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; mand him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

I don't see how we can misinterpret "Enemy" with "like-minded" or "Love" with "not to befriend". How can we love and bless someone if we don't even have the will to tolerate and feel with them. It is the only method to cleanse pride from ourselves.

Or is it better to pretend that we did not notice this?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.

I see you do not comprehend the Bible.

First, let us turn to the KJV and quote properly:

Matthew 5:38-41

38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Now, the explanation.

The wording (which you misquoted) of verse 39 is significant in that it specifies being struck on the RIGHT cheek, then turning the left to the assailant.

If I strike you on the RIGHT cheek, that means I am backhanding you with my RIGHT.

This is how a superior struck an inferior; a master struck a slave in this manner.

If you then turn your LEFT cheek to me, you are challenging me to punch you; that is, to assault you as an EQUAL. You are asserting yourself as my equal.

Verse 40, again, has historical context. It is necessary to understand that Jewish law forbid a man to take another's coat beyond the evening, for he might freeze to death. Handing over not just your coat but also your cloak would leave you NAKED. This brought shame upon the person who sued you, not upon you.

Finally, Verse 41's historical context has to do with Roman soldiers. They would and could compel a random Jew to carry their belongings . . . but only for one mile. Going a second mile with a soldier would put the soldier at risk, for he would then be violating Roman law.

Please, try doing your homework before expounding upon the Bible to those who have. These verses are not about being a doormat; they are about nonviolent resistance.

[gentleJ]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I see, Rev. M. Rodimer. Then how do you interpret Luke 6:27-31?

[True Disciple]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I see, Rev. M. Rodimer. Then how do you interpret Luke 6:27-31?

Friend, we should follow the entire Bible. This Verse should be interpreted in context of the rest of Scripture, which, among others, includes the following Verses:

2 Chronicles 19:2:
And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

Luke 14:26:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Clearly, God doesn't like it when we love people who hate God, who, of course, are our enemies. We should hate them, even if they're our own family. What should we do then?

The answer, in my opinion, is that we should love our enemies, and hate them at the same time, to follow both Luke 6:27-31 and Luke 14:26. Secondly, we should love our enemies, but not help them, our befriend them, to follow both Luke 6:27-31 and 2 Chronicles 19:2 (as well as 2 Corinthians 6:14-17, 2 Thessalonians 3:6 and 1 Corinthians 5:11, of course). So, while we love unsaved sinners, we still should not welcome them in our house or on our forums.

[gentleJ]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Friend, we should follow the entire Bible. This Verse should be interpreted in context of the rest of Scripture, which, among others, includes the following Verses:

2 Chronicles 19:2:
And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

Luke 14:26:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Clearly, God doesn't like it when we love people who hate God, who, of course, are our enemies. We should hate them, even if they're our own family. What should we do then?

The answer, in my opinion, is that we should love our enemies, and hate them at the same time, to follow both Luke 6:27-31 and Luke 14:26. Secondly, we should love our enemies, but not help them, our befriend them, to follow both Luke 6:27-31 and 2 Chronicles 19:2 (as well as 2 Corinthians 6:14-17, 2 Thessalonians 3:6 and 1 Corinthians 5:11, of course). So, while we love unsaved sinners, we still should not welcome them in our house or on our forums.

In your opinion we should love but not welcome, bless and hate non-christians at the same time - only so we could consider ourselves to be followers of all the prophets (belonging to different epochs) that are mentioned in KJV, even if it costs us virtues like Patience, Humility and Kindness which on practice equivalents to supporting Pride, one of the Deadly Sins...

Do you understand that exercising any form of deadly sin, no matter towards whom, woun't make you purer than the deadly sin itself?

I am saddened to see such a hypocritical compromise between 2 John 1:9-11 and Luke 6:27-31.

More importent is to eschew 7 Vices than non-christians. And if by eshchewing non-christians we promote and manifest pride in ourselves and people around us then we are no different than them.
Moreover our intolerable example only repels people from Christ.

So not only should we literally {without interpretations} follow Luke 6:27-31 wich Jesus gave us so we could distinguish pride swirling in our hearts when time calls for deprivation of our ego but this also develops christian humility, a character valued by all living things. Same character that made people abandon comfort only to hear Christ's edifications.

I hope this will be the last time I recite this passage here:

But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

In your opinion we should love but not welcome, bless and hate non-christians at the same time - only so we could consider ourselves to be followers of all the prophets (belonging to different epochs) that are mentioned in KJV, even if it costs us virtues like Patience, Humility and Kindness which on practice equivalents to supporting Pride, one of the Deadly Sins...

Do you understand that exercising any form of deadly sin, no matter towards whom, woun't make you purer than the deadly sin itself?

Show me in the Bible where it mentions any seven deadly sins. Have you been praying to Mary much lately?

I am saddened to see such a hypocritical compromise between 2 John 1:9-11 and Luke 6:27-31.

Are you claiming the Bible is contradictory?
I should give you an infraction!

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

[gentleJ]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Show me in the Bible where it mentions any seven deadly sins.

You are right Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson, in KJV they are called abominations and are mentioned individually in Galatians 5:19-21

Thank you for correcting me.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

You are right Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson, in KJV they are called abominations and are mentioned individually in Galatians 5:19-21

Thank you for correcting me.

Why are you here, commie? You have never introduced yourself.

[WWJDnow]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The Gospel According to Saint Matthew says that when Jesus was asked about the most important of commandments he answered:

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

We do love our neighbors as we love ourselves:

And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Matthew 5:30

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

You are right Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson, in KJV they are called abominations and are mentioned individually in Galatians 5:19-21

Thank you for correcting me.

I see a lot more than seven abominations in that Scripture, Papist.

[gentleJ]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I see a lot more than seven abominations in that Scripture, Papist.

My apologies. If you are looking for seven abominations specifically then they are in Proverbs 6, 16-19

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

You are right Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson, in KJV they are called abominations and are mentioned individually in Galatians 5:19-21

Thank you for correcting me.

There are 14 of those and nowhere does it mention any of those sins as being worse than any other.

I like listing sins too. It's fun. Here are 28 more to add to our list.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

We're up to 42 now.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

There's 9 more. It's really 11, but homersexuals and murderers were included in Romans 1.

That's 51 deadly sins according to Paul, so far. Now let's add Apocalypse of John the Divine.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

There are 4 more that haven't been covered. Now we are up to 55 deadly sins.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Calling someone a fool. That's another deadly sin. That's 56 for you scoring at home.

Matthew 5:28, 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

and

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

By my count, that's 58 deadly sins just from the New Testament.

[gentleJ]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

There are 14 of those and nowhere does it mention any of those sins as being worse than any other.

I like listing sins too. It's fun. Here are 28 more to add to our list.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

We're up to 42 now.

1 Timothy 1:8-10

There's 10 more. It's really 11, but homersexuals were included in Romans 1.

That's 52 deadly sins according to Paul, so far. Now let's add Apocalypse of John the Divine.

Revelation 21:8

There are 5 more that haven't been covered. Now we are up to 57 deadly sins.

Matthew 5:22

Calling someone a fool. That's another deadly sin. That's 58 for you scoring at home.

Matthew 5:28, 32

and

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

By my count, that's 60 deadly sins just from the New Testament.

So, basically from all the scriptures above you choose to overlook on "Loving and Praying for your enemies" and continue promoting christian pride?

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: 22:39 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So, basically from all the scriptures above you choose to overlook on "Loving and Praying for your enemies" and continue promoting christian pride?

I do love and pray for my enemies that they will see the light, but if they won't, I'm not going to cast my pearls before them. At some point, I just have to shake the dust from my feet.