[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

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Dear Bogdana,

As an after thought on my post. I wouldn't want you to get the impression that I support any kind of illegal activity. Eugenics can now be practiced under the sanction and protection of the United States Government. We have finally evolved to the stage where genetic testing can be employed to identify the weak and the flawed while still in the womb. With that insight we have a perfectly legal mechanism at our disposal to accomplish the ultimate Darwinian objective of a utopian society. We can nuke these inferiors in the womb before they have a chance to consume precious resources AND insure that their genes will never enter the gene pool. It's the ideal situation.

I am so happy that our politicians have sided with us on this. With these tools we can proceed unfettered into the future to gain all that we have been seeking.

Yours truly,

Bob

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Honestly I have no interest in Hitler's background. I am a pragmatic atheist in that I only care about the results, not in how one gets there. Actually I admire Hitler for his clever use of christianity to achieve Darwinian goals. That is a fine example of "survival of the fittest". In nature you see it all the time. A clever predator pretending to be the prey by using a disguise that makes the stupid predator think its on of his own. Hitler was brilliantly using the same mechanism!

Hitler was not being brilliant at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

Jewish people statistically have much higher IQ's. It's just they were horribly outnumbered in Nazi Europe. Hitler's activities in fact would have been detrimental to the population of Europe in the long run. Not to mention that it is very healthy to introduce new genetic material into an environment, so inter-racial mating would be more likely to raise the Germans to the standards of "supermen" than what Hitler was doing.

Also, since you seem to believe evolution is some sort of God that works in the short-term, rather than a natural process that takes millions of years, you will have to admit Germany was defeated and Hitler died because of their inferior brains, and that Jews now have their own country and many are very rich and powerful, because they are the superior race.

More progressive atheists such as myself understand the pragmatism of its employment.

Really? If there is such a large number of atheistic eugenicists, you guys must have at least a few websites up or something you can link me to? Cause when I search for it, all I find is Nazi websites run by radical right-wing Christians. What's up with that?

Eventually the weak and flawed will be selected out of the gene pool anyway, but why wait when we can have the future now! I am sure you will see the logic in this if only you consider it with your keen intellect.

Humans are already at the top of the food chain. We have no biological necessity to evolve. And your methods are unscientific and inaccurate. We cannot, ever, as hard as we try, kick up evolution by millions of years as you claim. It depends on genetic mutation which we have no control over.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Jewish people statistically have much higher IQ's.

Can you show me that Alfred Binet and Theodore Simon, who invented the IQ test, were not Jewish and biased the test towards the Kykes? What a wonderful way of showing you, and not God, had all the answers!

If there is such a large number of atheistic eugenicists, you guys must have at least a few websites up or something you can link me to?

Never heard of Plato? It all starts there

Cause when I search for it, all I find is Nazi websites run by radical right-wing Christians. What's up with that?

Your capabilities to search.

Humans are already at the top of the food chain. We have no biological necessity to evolve.

I claim that as proof of a Perfect God Who has created the perfect servant in Man.

Madam, you should know better than to preach to men.

[ExGay Alex]

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Dear Bogdana,

As an after thought on my post. I wouldn't want you to get the impression that I support any kind of illegal activity. Eugenics can now be practiced under the sanction and protection of the United States Government. We have finally evolved to the stage where genetic testing can be employed to identify the weak and the flawed while still in the womb. With that insight we have a perfectly legal mechanism at our disposal to accomplish the ultimate Darwinian objective of a utopian society. We can nuke these inferiors in the womb before they have a chance to consume precious resources AND insure that their genes will never enter the gene pool. It's the ideal situation.

I am so happy that our politicians have sided with us on this. With these tools we can proceed unfettered into the future to gain all that we have been seeking.

Yours truly,

Bob

You talk like some evil genius in a Batman movie.

Even if evolution were a fact, who would have created it? Only God could have. See? No matter how you slice it, it comes up Jesus.

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

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Hitler was not being brilliant at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

Jewish people statistically have much higher IQ's. It's just they were horribly outnumbered in Nazi Europe. Hitler's activities in fact would have been detrimental to the population of Europe in the long run. Not to mention that it is very healthy to introduce new genetic material into an environment, so inter-racial mating would be more likely to raise the Germans to the standards of "supermen" than what Hitler was doing.

Also, since you seem to believe evolution is some sort of God that works in the short-term, rather than a natural process that takes millions of years, you will have to admit Germany was defeated and Hitler died because of their inferior brains, and that Jews now have their own country and many are very rich and powerful, because they are the superior race.

Really? If there is such a large number of atheistic eugenicists, you guys must have at least a few websites up or something you can link me to? Cause when I search for it, all I find is Nazi websites run by radical right-wing Christians. What's up with that?

Humans are already at the top of the food chain. We have no biological necessity to evolve. And your methods are unscientific and inaccurate. We cannot, ever, as hard as we try, kick up evolution by millions of years as you claim. It depends on genetic mutation which we have no control over.

Bogdana,

Please calm down. We are on the same side! I'm not saying Hitler was perfect, only that his pretending to be christian was a brilliant ploy to reel in the weak minded. To be sure his campaign against the jews was misguided. I was speaking of his progressive approach to eugenics in the sense that he destroyed the handicapped and retarded. His single minded attempt to destroy once race was not in line with atheistic progressive thinking today. Today we have the genetic tools at our disposal weed out the truly weak. Those with higher than average IQ's should of course be left in the gene pool to produce offspring. We agree on this!

Dear Bogdana, of course we are at the top of the food chain but who is to say how far we can go. As a progressive atheist I only want us to maximize our potential!

Yours truly,

Bob

[ExGay Alex]

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...we are at the top of the food chain but who is to say how far we can go....

You'll go as far as the lake of fire. All about Hell.

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

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You'll go as far as the lake of fire. All about Hell.

Ex Gay Alex,

Where is this proported lake of fire? During the japenese disaster I saw pictures of fires burning in the water. Is this what you are referring to?

[James Dewitt]

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Ex Gay Alex,

Where is this proported lake of fire? During the japenese disaster I saw pictures of fires burning in the water. Is this what you are referring to?

HELL, see attached photo.

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

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Bogdana,

My apologies, I did not answer your other objection. Of course we cannot control genetic mutations but we can test for them and eliminate the harmful ones that might be otherwise introduced intot he gene pool. Our mamby-pamby humanists would then have us provide life long care at public expense, a misguided and wasteful use of precious resources. Surely you can see the logic in this?

Yours truly,

Bob

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Bogdana,

Please calm down. We are on the same side! I'm not saying Hitler was perfect, only that his pretending to be christian was a brilliant ploy to reel in the weak minded. To be sure his campaign against the jews was misguided. I was speaking of his progressive approach to eugenics in the sense that he destroyed the handicapped and retarded. His single minded attempt to destroy once race was not in line with atheistic progressive thinking today. Today we have the genetic tools at our disposal weed out the truly weak. Those with higher than average IQ's should of course be left in the gene pool to produce offspring. We agree on this!

Dear Bogdana, of course we are at the top of the food chain but who is to say how far we can go. As a progressive atheist I only want us to maximize our potential!

Yours truly,

Bob

You claim to be a "microbiologist", and yet you don't seem to have a clue about biology at all. It's amazing how many advanced degrees people on the internet seem to have
Even a basic wikipedia search shows the unscientific ridiculousness of your claims.

Eugenicists advocate specific policies that (if successful) they believe will lead to a perceived improvement of the human gene pool. Since defining what improvements are desired or beneficial is perceived by many as a cultural choice rather than a matter that can be determined objectively (e.g., by empirical, scientific inquiry), eugenics has often been deemed a pseudoscience.[32] The most disputed aspect of eugenics has been the definition of "improvement" of the human gene pool, such as what is a beneficial characteristic and what is a defect. This aspect of eugenics has historically been tainted with scientific racism.

Eugenics has also been concerned with the elimination of hereditary diseases such as hemophilia and Huntington's disease. However, there are several problems with labeling certain factors as genetic defects. In many cases there is no scientific consensus on what a genetic defect is. It is often argued that this is more a matter of social or individual choice. What appears to be a genetic defect in one context or environment may not be so in another. This can be the case for genes with a heterozygote advantage, such as sickle-cell disease or Tay-Sachs disease, which in their heterozygote form may offer an advantage against, respectively, malaria and tuberculosis. Although some birth defects are uniformly lethal, disabled persons can succeed in life. Many of the conditions early eugenicists identified as inheritable (pellagra is one such example) are currently considered to be at least partially, if not wholly, attributed to environmental conditions

While the science of genetics has increasingly provided means by which certain characteristics and conditions can be identified and understood, given the complexity of human genetics, culture, and psychology there is at this point no agreed objective means of determining which traits might be ultimately desirable or undesirable.[citation needed] Some diseases such as sickle-cell disease and cystic fibrosis respectively confer immunity to malaria and resistance to cholera when a single copy of the recessive allele is contained within the genotype of the individual. Reducing the instance of sickle-cell disease in Africa where malaria is a common and deadly disease could indeed be a net negative effect.

Eugenic policies could also lead to loss of genetic diversity, in which case a culturally accepted improvement of the gene pool could very likely, as evidenced in numerous instances in isolated island populations (e.g. the Dodo, Raphus cucullatus, of Mauritius) result in extinction due to increased vulnerability to disease, reduced ability to adapt to environmental change and other factors both known and unknown. A long-term species-wide eugenics plan might lead to a scenario similar to this because the elimination of traits deemed undesirable would reduce genetic diversity by definition. (Galton 2001, 48[citation needed]).

In some instances efforts to eradicate certain single-gene mutations would be nearly impossible. In the event the condition in question was a heterozygous recessive trait, the problem is that by eliminating the visible unwanted trait, there are still many carriers for the genes without, or with fewer, phenotypic effects due to that gene. With genetic testing it may be possible to detect all of the heterozygous recessive traits, but only at great cost with the current technology. Under normal circumstances it is only possible to eliminate a dominant allele from the gene pool. Recessive traits can be severely reduced, but never eliminated unless the complete genetic makeup of all members of the pool was known, as aforementioned. As only very few undesirable traits, such as Huntington's disease, are dominant, the practical value for "eliminating" traits is quite low.

Now I'm curious. How do you plan to carry out your eugenics plan, if you had the power? Please do be as specific as possible about your methods. You ARE aware of positive eugenics, right?

[ExGay Alex]

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HELL, see attached photo.

That's Hell all right! And I think I see Bob right there in the middle trying the engage all the others into some kind of joint project. Maybe they're climbing up the food chain to get ice or something.

You see, Bob, there is no concept of "survival of the fittest" in Hell. The weak survive, too. And it lasts FOREVER. In Matthew 25:41, Jesus Christ warned that unsaved sinners will enter “the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

2 Peter 3 says that Hell will be on earth. Revelation 20:8-9 tells us more or less the same, but God can put it wherever He wants and your weenie will roast.

We don't want to fight you. We just want you to accept Jesus and save you from eternal torment. It's not a hard choice. It's a softchoice. Just do it.

[James Hutchins]

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Welcome SuperGeekPhysicist! It is very interesting to meet one of you people who actually claim to believe in scientific malarkey.
How many sons have you made from Drano and bleach?
Do you wrap your tail around your waist under your shirt or did your robot sex toy cut a hole in your pants to let it hang free?
As you evolve and more fingers appear on your hands, do you simply cut them off with scissors or are you a stump biter?

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

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Bogdana,

You state;

Although some birth defects are uniformly lethal, disabled persons can succeed in life.

Succeed in life? Yes at a high cost to society. Why use precious reseources on these folks (in the form of wheelchairs, expensive electronics and so forth). Do you not understand Darwin's view on scarcity of resources? You'll have me thinking you are a christian before long as you seem to be making a moral argument here.

As to your overall argument it can be boiled down to saying that by eliminating defects from the gene pool on a limited basis we still have those same traits carried in the balance of the population. To be sure this is true but if we help it along by eliminating some we statiscally improve the odds of achieving perfection, thus taking time off the evolutionary process. Would you not agree?

As to my plan, I have none. In the USA although we have become progressive enough to identify and permit the elimination of these traits, we still cling to the moralistic notion that everyone should have a choice in this matter. This originates from judeo-christian thinking, not from darwinism. It is my hope that someday we will become enlightened enough to make such elimination mandatory. Alas we have not reached that point.

Yours truly,

Bib

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

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HELL, see attached photo.

Dear James,

Nice picture. How did you come by this photo? Did you take a snapshot on one of your vacations there? You said "photo" but I think a better word would be "depiction". Would I convince you of evolution if I sent you a depiction of man's rise form the apes?

[Bobblehead Bob the Boob]

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HELL, see attached photo.

Here you go James. This is my "photo" of evolution. I hope this helps.