[GuySmiley]

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Mari wards off dozens of cads like you, wielding pickup lines, every day in her neighborhood. She is far too wise to fall for Unsaved Trash like you and your smut-driven mouth. Go ply your Casanova yearnings in your own local dive with familiar harlots, rather than hit on one of our forum members who wages daily battles against Satan to maintain her purity.

Nosey, nosey!

[GuySmiley]

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I notice you brezzed right by my comment. You know (and more importantly, Jesus knows) my words ring true.

In the times of the Old Testament, the Jews lived under the laws of Moses. In this new dispensation of grace, we're not under the law, in which there is no salvation, but under grace. This is why 'turning the other cheek' sound so foolish to people still under the law. I wonder which part of the New Testament, or the Gospels for that matter, God or the Lord Jesus Christ ordered Christians to kill.

[Cranky Old Man]

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In the times of the Old Testament, the Jews lived under the laws of Moses. In this new dispensation of grace, we're not under the law, in which there is no salvation, but under grace. This is why 'turning the other cheek' sound so foolish to people still under the law. I wonder which part of the New Testament, or the Gospels for that matter, God or the Lord Jesus Christ ordered Christians to kill.

God is not a fluffy bunny.

Some new testament for you, since you somehow seem to believe it is allowed to ignore the old testament.

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

Matthew 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

Mark 9:47 "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire"

Mark 9:43 "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the firethat never shall be quenched"

[GuySmiley]

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God is not a fluffy bunny.

Some new testament for you, since you somehow seem to believe it is allowed to ignore the old testament.

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

Matthew 5:22 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

Mark 9:47 "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire"

Mark 9:43 "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the firethat never shall be quenched"

I tried sir, I really did, but I just couldn't find the part where I was ordered to KILL another in the quotations you cited.

[True Disciple]

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In the times of the Old Testament, the Jews lived under the laws of Moses. In this new dispensation of grace, we're not under the law, in which there is no salvation, but under grace. This is why 'turning the other cheek' sound so foolish to people still under the law. I wonder which part of the New Testament, or the Gospels for that matter, God or the Lord Jesus Christ ordered Christians to kill.

Friend, it is a misconception that the Law wouldn't apply anymore. Jesus Himself commands us to follow the Law:

Matthew 5:17-19:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This "dispensation of grace" you are talking about is based upon a misrepresentation of the words of Paul, who never taught that the Law should be abolished. After all, if he did, he would be contradicting Jesus Himself! Consider Paul's words here:

Romans 3:28-31:
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So no, Paul says that the Law still applies. What he further says is that we should take care to love each other, as obeying the Law is the same thing as Love:

Romans 13:9-10:
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So the idea that we should abandon the Old Testament because "Paul said so" is simply ridiculous, friend. After all, why would God write all those commandments in the Old Testament and allow them to remain in the Bible, if He didn't want to? He is omnipotent, after all. Did He change His Mind? Well, the Bible says:

Hebrews 13:8:
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

So, Jesus was the same 2000 years ago as He was 3500 years ago, when God gave the Israelites the Law which, among other things, commanded them to kill blasphemers. That was the same God as the God of the New Testament. So, yes, Jesus asks us to kill other people.

[GuySmiley]

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Friend, it is a misconception that the Law wouldn't apply anymore. Jesus Himself commands us to follow the Law:

Matthew 5:17-19:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

This "dispensation of grace" you are talking about is based upon a misrepresentation of the words of Paul, who never taught that the Law should be abolished. After all, if he did, he would be contradicting Jesus Himself! Consider Paul's words here:

Romans 3:28-31:
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So no, Paul says that the Law still applies. What he further says is that we should take care to love each other, as obeying the Law is the same thing as Love:

Romans 13:9-10:
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So the idea that we should abandon the Old Testament because "Paul said so" is simply ridiculous, friend. After all, why would God write all those commandments in the Old Testament and allow them to remain in the Bible, if He didn't want to? He is omnipotent, after all. Did He change His Mind? Well, the Bible says:

Hebrews 13:8:
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

So, Jesus was the same 2000 years ago as He was 3500 years ago, when God gave the Israelites the Law which, among other things, commanded them to kill blasphemers. That was the same God as the God of the New Testament. So, yes, Jesus asks us to kill other people.

Well said, and I must say, very cohesive. The best reasoned argument I've heard since joining this forum. BUT, I thought you guys don't interprete? This all sounds like a whole lot of interpretation to me (i.e. making meaning of..., drawing inferences from..., etc). The idea of 'not interpreting' has been so ingrained in my head by a number of forum members that I hear it in my sleep. Applying your own yardstick, therefore, I STILL DO NOT SEE ANY PART IN YOUR QUOTES (IN THE GOSPELS/NEW TESTAMENT I MEAN) WHERE WE ARE ASKED TO KILL, LITERALLY.

Thanks for your reasoning, though. At least I can say I took something with me this time.

[Bible Student]

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Originally Posted by Bible Student
Obviously your parents didn't teach you any reading skills. Otherwise you would have learned from the threads in these forums about respecting every True Christian™ at LBC. You have 4 hours to compose yourself and apologize to Brother Zechariah. If you were as old as you pretend to be you would know that old age does not necessarily grant one wisdom. Even though Brother Zechariah might be younger in years, in knowledge he is obviously your senior.

You said it, "scholar", in knowledge only. In wisdom I'm light years ahead.

And here I thought it was you who claimed to be an old man? Go read a few other threads in this Introductory forum, In one of them I use the a verse from scripture that demonstrates knowledge and wisdom can be interchangeable. Oops, I forgot for a moment that I used the original Hebrew. You can't read it. Oh well. Instead of trying to see how clever you are, ungenius, start respecting True Christians(tm), else go away before you are ultimately banned by the powers that be, who watch over this forum. You are on a fast track to eternal damnation.

[Bible Student]

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Originally Posted by Bible Student
Great dodge of the question about my example of John sitting on the chair. Pray tell, how you would make sense of that?

Your question was rhetoric, which you answered yourself, albeit, sarcastically. I was only returning the compliment. I'd have thought a "scholar" like you would have noticed the difference.

It was a question, not rhetoric nor rhetorical . And I did not answer it. I'm still waiting for the answer.

[Bible Student]

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Originally Posted by Bible Student
Nope. That won't work with me. You should really read my profile and my introductory posts. I actually taught psychology at a rather large university and wrote books on the subject. I'm not one of those simple minds for whom you can answer a question with a question. Your turn.

Doesn't that sound familiar. Let me see...hmmm, "Far-To-See" or "Sad-to-see"... Oh yes! The Pharisees and Sadducees. They also thought Jesus was a 'simple mind...'

First of all you are not Jesus, maybe the fig tree he cursed, but not Jesus. Secondly, neither the Pharisees nor Sadducees were professors teaching psychology, they were religious leaders. And why did you spell Pharisees and Sadducees incorrectly the first time when it is obvious your spell checker knows the correct spellings? By the way, you have demonstrated that your mind is nothing if it is not simple.

[Bible Student]

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Originally Posted by Bible Student
Or do you suppose obeying something and accepting the God-breathed words could easily be the difference between right and wrong?

You did not address the substance of what I said.

Jesus warned us of people like you.

Proverbs 23:9 -- Speake not in the eares of a foole: for hee will despise the wisedome of thy words.

Matthew 7:6 -- Giue not that which is holy vnto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearles before swine: lest they trample them vnder their feete, and turne againe and rent you.

Go back and read my posts, this time with comprehension. Therein you will see that I did indeed answer your question in the only way you deserved an answer. You don't think we get scores of people like you who with their silliness, interrupt our church forum? Here is a little suggestion, until you learn the proper respect that Unsaved Trash like you owe True Christians(tm), go play your artful dodger games elsewhere.

[True Disciple]

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BUT, I thought you guys don't interprete? This all sounds like a whole lot of interpretation to me (i.e. making meaning of..., drawing inferences from..., etc). The idea of 'not interpreting' has been so ingrained in my head by a number of forum members that I hear it in my sleep.

Friend, there is not a single case of interpretation in my reply to your ramblings.

Paul said literally that the Law isn't made void through faith. Paul said literally that "Love" is the fulfillment of the Law. And finally, Jesus said literally that not "one tittle or jot" shall pass from the Law, and that people should do and teach the Law. What's there to interpret?

Applying your own yardstick, therefore, I STILL DO NOT SEE ANY PART IN YOUR QUOTES (IN THE GOSPELS/NEW TESTAMENT I MEAN) WHERE WE ARE ASKED TO KILL, LITERALLY.

Then you should remove the blindfold Satan put over your eyes, turn your brains on again, and read Matthew 5:17-19 again. Jesus says that we should follow the Law, and Jesus knew what was in that Law (duh). That Law required the death penalty for quite a number of transgressions. So there Jesus orders us directly to kill blasphemers and unbelievers, as that is part of the Law.

But if you don't believe me even now, Jesus says Himself that He came not to bring peace, but a sword, and to bring strife between people:

Matthew 10:34-36:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Additionally, the Pharisees were just like you; they also rejected the parts of the Old Testament they didn't like. Jesus rebukes them, and says they are sinful hypocrites because they do not kill people who curse their parents:

Matthew 15:1-6:
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:9-13:
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

In addition to this, consider the words Peter spoke after receiving the Holy Spirit:

Acts 3:20-24:
And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

People who do not hear that prophet (Jesus) shall be destroyed from among the people.

Paul says the following about sinful people:

Romans 1:28-32:
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Paul tells us that quite a lot of things are "worthy of death!"

So, friend, I think we can be sure that the New Testament indeed asks us to kill people for certain transgressions. That's no interpretation; that's the literal reading of the Bible.

[Fryer Good Shepherd]

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four posts in a row from our "scholar"!
chill brother chill

[James Hutchins]

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In the times of the Old Testament, the Jews lived under the laws of Moses. In this new dispensation of grace, we're not under the law, in which there is no salvation, but under grace. This is why 'turning the other cheek' sound so foolish to people still under the law. I wonder which part of the New Testament, or the Gospels for that matter, God or the Lord Jesus Christ ordered Christians to kill.

What a spin doctor! This is not a 'rap party', son.

I provided extremely clear spripture and all you provide is twisting of His words. You always walk around with your fingers in your ears going "lalalalalalalala"?

[James Hutchins]

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I tried sir, I really did, but I just couldn't find the part where I was ordered to KILL another in the quotations you cited.

Ah, I see, now your excuse is you do not know where in the Bible God commands us to kill others? You'd follow His word but.... you do not know where He says it. Right, Mr. "I actually have read the Bible'.

1 Samuel 15
1Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
2Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
5And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.
6And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites. 7And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.

Exodus 32:27
And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

[Bible Student]

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four posts in a row from our "scholar"!
chill brother chill

You probably didn't notice (most likely because of the proverbial mote) that I answered four posts in a row from GuySmiley who chopped my single post into parts. By the way, the use of quotes surrounding the word scholar is unwarranted because you can't read Biblical languages and are therefore not in a position to judge the ability of others to do so.