[It's Pink!]

Re: My Intro

omg!!!!! ur so mean 2 cursed!

plz explain why u think we r not christian and i will explain so u can join us insted of bin mean 2 curced!!

[GuySmiley]

Re: My Intro

You be respectful or I shall be forced to punish you. I don't want to, because I like you. Please be nice so you can stay here with me.

Sorry, I'm married. 'Bible Student' seemed to be good at pairing people (as he did replying to one of my posts that didn't concern him), perhaps he can hook you up. You never know. You might like it too.

[GuySmiley]

Re: My Intro

omg!!!!! ur so mean 2 cursed!

plz explain why u think we r not christian and i will explain so u can join us insted of bin mean 2 curced!!

See my earlier posts about killing people.

[GuySmiley]

Re: My Intro

Ha ha you forgot what your point was! That's too funny.

Just admit that Jesus and the Apostles killed so many abominations it wasn't worth mentioning, because you know that's the Truth, because that is following God's Word, and if the Son of God and the Apostles of God won't follow God's command, who will?

It's common sense.

Obviously, common sense isn't so common these days, going by your post.

"...wasn't worth mentioning...? That's because it didn't happen! How 'common sense' can that get?!!

[Cursed]

Re: My Intro

Only some? Well I know all there is to know about you. It says so right there as your user name....see?

You are right, I am thrice accursed by the LORD.

But even the accursed can be accepted into Heaven; even though I cannot enter the congregation, I can still serve my Master the ALMIGHTY GOD, Hallelujah!

Sorry, I'm married.

I will forgive this, as you are of the secular world and don't know filth for what it is; to you, dirty is clean, and clean is dirty, it's a madhouse!

Allow me to explain; I like you whether you are married or not. I like you because I sense (or is it just hope?) that you too are burdened by the LORD with a great weight; that you too know of suffering and pain. Have you been tempered by THE LORD?

'Bible Student' seemed to be good at pairing people (as he did replying to one of my posts that didn't concern him), perhaps he can hook you up.

Mr. Bible Student is the finest man I have ever met; I am not worth his attention. You should be happy that he spoke to you at all! On your death bed you may very well remember speaking to him as one of the most significant events of your life.

You never know. You might like it too.

I do very much like meeting other True Christians! They are the best people on earth!

Every afternoon I wake up in a panic, horrified! Sometimes I have wet the couch; always I am covered in sweat and panting. My sleep is filled with terrors, as it has been my entire life. My first thoughts when I wake up are safety. Where am I? Do I have a weapon? This is from years of habit. After this, I used to weep, as I am accursed; but not any more!

Now I am a True Christian! Every day this dawns on me, and it is the best feeling, to wake up and know that now I am a Soldier for Christ! This inner peace, this sanctum within me, grants me strength to face the woe of the day! I know now that I serve the LORD, that I suffer as is His wont. I will not complain; my family is a monstrosity, my bloodline an outrage, I deserve it! Every bit.

I have opened up to you because I think you're special. Remember that True Christians are people too, of all different kinds! I am the lowliest, I can explain the Bible to you in the simplest of terms, as a surly child would. Others, like Mr. Bible Student, can actually read the ancient texts themselves, and have spent decades studying the Word of GOD! But as different as we all are, we have all reached the same obvious conclusion; you can't pick and choose your favorite parts of the BIBLE and find the narrow gate to Heaven.

You have to follow all of it; even the awful parts. Praise God!

[It's Pink!]

Re: My Intro

See my earlier posts about killing people.

i dont kill people!!!!!! :S :S

Adults do!!!!11

[True Disciple]

Re: My intro

See who's rambling now! I wonder which part of my post necessitated that reply. How does this relates to the subject at hand?!!

Friend, it relates to either your stubborn refusal or your intellectual incapability to take my words seriously. Jesus said us to follow the Old Testament, which includes the killing parts. You are consistently ducking this fact by whining about New Testament Passages, but that Jesus said this already proves me right: He wants us to kill people. After all, why else would He have written it in the Old Testament, do you think? Please, don't try to evade this question again.

Ok, it's 'follow the leader time'. Since leadership is about influencing other people, how many people (i.e. unbelievers) did Jesus kill or put to the sword? And since you claim to follow His lead, how many unbelievers have you killed? If you can't answer that perhaps you could tell me how many people Jesus raised from the dead? Did Jesus bear a sword in his entire life?

Friend, surely you know what Jesus said He was going to do to people who don't believe in Him?

Matthew 13:38-42:The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:31-41:
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

Hebrews 10:26-31:
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

All of these Passages are New Testament Passages about Jesus, and how He is going to punish people.

And as to why I don't kill people: secular law doesn't allow it, and we should follow secular law:

1 Peter 2:13-17:
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

"....shall be destroyed from among the people." By whose hand? The Christians?

Yes, of course! Peter is quoting Moses here, and every time Moses says "he shall be destroyed" in the Old Testament, it is part of a Law against something which is punishable by death, and it is a punishment that has to be carried out by the people he speaks to.
Also in this case, do you really think Peter would have quoted Moses demanding the death penalty if he didn't support that himself? How deluded can you get?

If so, how come none of the Apostles ever executed this 'command'? Why did they choose to disobey God?

Friend, you are completely clueless about the Bible.

The Apostles did kill people. Watch Peter here:

Acts 5:1-5:
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

That's right, Peter uses the power of God to kill Ananias.

Additionally, it is likely that the main reason they didn't kill people was because secular law didn't allow it, and as I already said, we have to obey secular law. That's why, as soon as the early Christians came to power in the Roman Empire, they started killing sinful people.

Again I say, how many people did Jesus, Paul, or any of the other Apostles kill?

About Paul we don't know, Peter killed 2 as far as we know, and Jesus is going to condemn billions of people to Hell, according to His Own Words in Matthew 25:31-41.

Rather, isn't it true that a certain adulteress due to be stoned to death (as the law required) was actually saved by Jesus?

Yes, because all the people throwing stones were sinful as well:

John 8:7:
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Being born again True Christians(tm), however, we are sinless, and are allowed to throw stones:

1 John 3:9:
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Why did Jesus 'break' the law, then?

He didn't. He just elaborated on it. After all, according to His Own Words in Matthew 5:19, He would be the "least" of the Kingdom of Heaven if He transgressed the Law, or taught people to do that. That's why He never did.

Well, my friend, I see that you ignored these Verses, which clearly teaches that Jesus still wants us to kill disobedient children:

Matthew 15:1-6:
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:9-13:
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

These are maybe the clearest examples of Verses in the New Testament demanding us to kill people. Why do you ignore this?

It seems, my friend, that, being a liberal false christian, you lack the moral courage to read the Book you claim to follow and admit that it indeed does say us to kill people, like we here at Landover realize, and we would follow if it hadn't been for secular law.

Again, if the Old Testament wouldn't apply anymore, then why does Jesus ask us to follow it entirely, and explicitly exhorts us to follow the part about killing children who curse their parents?

[Bible Student]

Re: My Intro

Originally Posted by Cursed
You be respectful or I shall be forced to punish you. I don't want to, because I like you. Please be nice so you can stay here with me.

Sorry, I'm married. 'Bible Student' seemed to be good at pairing people (as he did replying to one of my posts that didn't concern him), perhaps he can hook you up. You never know. You might like it too.

This is not email. This is an open forum hosted by Landover Baptist Church on the InterWebs so that members can share their experiences of Jesus. Anyone can reply to any post. And you are a guest here. Remember your place before you no longer have a place here. That's a friendly reminder. Oh look, I intruded again.

[GuySmiley]

Re: My intro

Hi. I'm back. Miss me?!! Wow, I must say this discuss is becoming increasingly less challenging and too easy, so I'll make it short and sweet. Here we go.

Friend, surely you know what Jesus said He was going to do to people who don't believe in Him?

Matthew 13:38-42:The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:31-41:
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

Hebrews 10:26-31:
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

All of these Passages are New Testament Passages about Jesus, and how He is going to punish people.

I never questioned Jesus' future purposes or intentions, exemplified by the use of words/phrases like ‘shall’ or ‘going to’. At that time Jesus will come to judge, not call to repentance/salvation. That time is not now, and it certainly didn't happen in the past. The quoted verses read more like warnings that could be averted if heeded. Every detail of what the world would be like in 10, 20, or even a 1000 yrs from today is not certain. What we have is the past, especially the documented past, from which we can and must learn. That documented past did not include Jesus killing people.

And as to why I don't kill people: secular law doesn't allow it, and we should follow secular law:

1 Peter 2:13-17:
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

How convenient. Really? Even if the particular secular law conflicted with fundamental beliefs of your faith? What would you do if secular law outlawed all religions/religious bodies? Jettison Jesus? Your own 'James Hutchins' told me real power/courage is having the stomach to carry out God's commands no matter what. Going by the same token, I'd say your real reason for not killing is cowardice.

Friend, you are completely clueless about the Bible.

The Apostles did kill people. Watch Peter here:

Acts 5:1-5:
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

That's right, Peter uses the power of God to kill Ananias.

I watched like you asked me to, and I didn't 'see' Peter draw out his sword and run Ananias through. As far as I could tell from your example, the only option Christians have in this regard is LET GOD BE GOD.

Additionally, it is likely that the main reason they didn't kill people was because secular law didn't allow it, and as I already said, we have to obey secular law. That's why, as soon as the early Christians came to power in the Roman Empire, they started killing sinful people.

...err, Bible quotations needed please!!

About Paul we don't know, Peter killed 2 as far as we know, and Jesus is going to condemn billions of people to Hell, according to His Own Words in Matthew 25:31-41.

The earlier example you cited about Peter only shows the Holy Ghost working to execute judgement, not Peter. And the Lord Jesus will soon be coming to execute judgement, not call to repentance. There is a time for everything, a time for repentance, a time for judgement. This is the time for repentance. When the time for judgement comes, Christians will judge alongside the risen Christ, not before. For today, it suffices to LET GOD BE GOD.

Well, my friend, I see that you ignored these Verses, which clearly teaches that Jesus still wants us to kill disobedient children:

Matthew 15:1-6:
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:9-13:
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

These are maybe the clearest examples of Verses in the New Testament demanding us to kill people. Why do you ignore this?

Why do YOU ignore it? Ah, yes! The secular law and all...Well then, show me one of you with the stomach to kill and die for his 'faith', and perhaps I'll learn something.

It seems, my friend, that, being a liberal false christian, you lack the moral courage to read the Book you claim to follow and admit that it indeed does say us to kill people, like we here at Landover realize, and we would follow if it hadn't been for secular law.

At least I have the moral courage to practice what I preach, which is more than I can say for you.

Again, if the Old Testament wouldn't apply anymore, then why does Jesus ask us to follow it entirely, and explicitly exhorts us to follow the part about killing children who curse their parents?

Just do it already, Ok? This is beginning to sound like a broken record.

[Cursed]

Re: My Intro

I think it's sad that you ignore the Word of God.

[True Disciple]

Re: My intro

Hi. I'm back. Miss me?!! Wow, I must say this discuss is becoming increasingly less challenging and too easy, so I'll make it short and sweet. Here we go.

It's as easy as you want it to be. Ignoring all my points and stubbornly repeating your previous, thoroughly disproved assertions is very easy. However, it doesn't make you right in any way. How can you speak for God when you rail against what is written in the Bible? Stop being childish, friend, and just accept what the Bible says. Or stop calling yourself a Christian.

I never questioned Jesus' future purposes or intentions, exemplified by the use of words/phrases like ‘shall’ or ‘going to’. At that time Jesus will come to judge, not call to repentance/salvation. That time is not now, and it certainly didn't happen in the past. The quoted verses read more like warnings that could be averted if heeded. Every detail of what the world would be like in 10, 20, or even a 1000 yrs from today is not certain. What we have is the past, especially the documented past, from which we can and must learn. That documented past did not include Jesus killing people.

Friend, you asked me to show you how many people Jesus did kill. In the Book of Revelation, He killed many people. You didn't say anything about "His Lifetime." As far as I'm aware, Jesus didn't kill anyone during His Lifetime. However, He also says this:

John 12:21:
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

So, we should keep Jesus' commandments. This, of course includes Matthew 5:17-19, where He commands us to follow the Old Testament (effectively making the Old Testament a teaching of Jesus as well) and Mark 7:9-13, where He commands to follow the part of the Law which asks us to kill children who curse their parents.

A common mistake among false christians is that Jesus just wanted us to walk like He walked. However, thought He certainly asked that of us, Jesus asked more of us: we should not only walk as He walked, we should also do what He says, as I've shown with John 12:21!

And what did Jesus say? Kill those who curse their parents. He may not have executed that judgment Himself, but He commands us to do that, so True Christians™ will do that, secular law allowing. Even you can understand this, I hope?

How convenient. Really? Even if the particular secular law conflicted with fundamental beliefs of your faith? What would you do if secular law outlawed all religions/religious bodies? Jettison Jesus? Your own 'James Hutchins' told me real power/courage is having the stomach to carry out God's commands no matter what. Going by the same token, I'd say your real reason for not killing is cowardice.

Of course, we are allowed to practice our Faith in secret when it is forbidden by the State:

Acts 5:29:
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Anyway, you claim to be a Christian, but you call obeying the Bible "cowardice?" Don't you think there is something wrong with that, friend?

I watched like you asked me to, and I didn't 'see' Peter draw out his sword and run Ananias through. As far as I could tell from your example, the only option Christians have in this regard is LET GOD BE GOD.

Oh, so it's not the killing you are concerned about, but the killing with a sword. That's the stupidest cop-out I've seen in a while. Why on earth does it matter how Peter kills Ananias? Explain that to me.

...err, Bible quotations needed please!!

What? Why? This is just history, boy. Ever heard of Emperor Constantine? Or don't you believe Constantine existed?

The earlier example you cited about Peter only shows the Holy Ghost working to execute judgement, not Peter.

Are you illiterate? The Passage clearly states that Ananias fell dead directly in response to Peter's condemnation.

There is a time for everything, a time for repentance, a time for judgement. This is the time for repentance. When the time for judgement comes, Christians will judge alongside the risen Christ, not before. For today, it suffices to LET GOD BE GOD.

This is complete nonsense. Again, the Bible teaches we are allowed to judge people:
Leviticus 19:15:
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Leviticus 19:17:
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Psalm 37:30:
The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Proverbs 31:9:
Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

Matthew 18:15-17:
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

John 7:24:
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Corinthians 6:1-6:
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

1 Timothy 5:20:
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

2 Timothy 4:1-5:
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Hebrews 3:12-13:
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Hebrews 10:24-25:
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

If you say we aren't allowed to judge, you are violating all of the above Passages. Or, in other words, you expose yourself as a dim-witted, Scripture-ignoring false christian. We are allowed to judge people: Because the Bible says so! How can you possibly disagree with that and still call yourself a Christian?

Why do YOU ignore it? Ah, yes! The secular law and all...Well then, show me one of you with the stomach to kill and die for his 'faith', and perhaps I'll learn something.

I notice that you're again cowardly skitting away from my question about Matthew 15:1-6 and Mark 7:9-13. I'm getting the feeling that you're deliberately avoiding this, because you're very aware that it destroys your entire argument. Therefore, I'll repeat it again, to show that Jesus does command us to kill people:

Matthew 15:1-6:
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:9-13:
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Please, friend, these Passages are as clear as they can possibly get. This is a New Testament Verse, and it shows Jesus saying that we should kill people. Period. Answer this, or stop replying.

At least I have the moral courage to practice what I preach, which is more than I can say for you.

So you admit that you are too cowardly to read and follow the book you claim to hold Sacred, in order to salvage your unbiblical views?

Just do it already, Ok? This is beginning to sound like a broken record.

That, friend, is because you are not getting it still. I only repeat it because you consistently ignore my points, and apparently hope I will forget it if you don't respond to my point about Jesus commanding us to follow the Old Testament.

Just answer this question to me. You claim to believe in Jesus. These are Jesus' Words:

Matthew 5:17-19:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do you believe what Jesus says here, or not?

[Bible Student]

Re: My intro

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Just do it already, Ok? This is beginning to sound like a broken record.

Stop doing convoluted somersaults with Scripture, and the verses will play just fine.