[Savedworm]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

I agree.

[Didymus Much]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

I agree.

I don't, nyaaaah nyaaaah nyaaah poopyhead.

Now it's your turn to assert nothing, AGAIN, with no evidence.

Then I'll counter that what you didn't say (because you said nothing) can't be true because I feeeeeeel that it can't be.

Isn't theology fun and educational and just oh so useful?

[LW1997 (On Moderation)]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

WHAT YOU TEACH IS HERESY!

Romans 4:5, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
My question to you is, Are there two Gospels? That is, are there two plans of salvation from God for man? The answer is a resounding, “NO!” Yet, there are two very different Gospels being taught today in the churches across America...
1. LORDSHIP SALVATION — The false gospel of John MacArthur, Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, Paul Washer, Jack Chick, Aiden Tozer, Rick Warren, James Dobson, David Cloud, John Piper, Charles Lawson and others, which requires a person to forsake (or be willing to forsake) their sinful behavior, make amends, and change their ways, as a prerequisite to saving faith. This false gospel confuses the FRUIT of the indwelling Holy Spirit with the ROOT of saving-faith. The sinner is required to change their own life. Believing is not enough, the sinner must commit to forsaking sinful behavior to be saved. This is a false gospel of manmade repentance. In Lordship Salvation, the sinner changes their own life, which is wrongly understood to be repentance.
2. THE GOSPEL — The Biblical Gospel teaches that sinners are saved solely by Christ's righteousness, and that no self-righteousness of any kind is required, nor permitted, because we have none to offer (Isaiah 64:6); neither does a person have to quit any sin to be saved. A changed life is the FRUIT of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9; Galatians 2:20; 5:22-23), and not a part of the ROOT of saving-faith. We don't give up our sins to BE saved; but rather, we give up our sins because we ARE saved. Believing is enough to be saved! God makes the changes. Our part is simply to believe, God does the rest. Romans 4:5 teaches that a person's faith is COUNTED for righteousness! The “Gospel” defined in 1st Corinthians 15:1-4 is that Christ DIED on the cross for our sins. He was BURIED. And then miraculously, after three days, Jesus physically RESURRECTED from the dead. This is “the Gospel” (i.e., Good News) by which sinners are born-again if we “BELIEVE.”
One's salvation is solely based in Christ's righteousness and God's PROMISES (Titus 1:2), having absolutely nothing to do with a sinner's desire to cease from committing sins. Lordship Salvationists place the cart before the horse. Romans 4:5-6 plainly teaches that salvation is without works of self-righteousness, and that the ungodly are saved by the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ (2nd Corinthians 5:21). Salvation is of the Lord.
A changed life is the FRUIT of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Galatians 2:20; 5:22-23); and not a part of the ROOT of saving faith (Romans 4:5-6). Abraham was saved in Genesis 15:6 when he believed upon the Lord; but Abraham's faith was demonstrated in Genesis 22:10 when he offered up his son Isaac in obedience to God. A person gives up their sins because they ARE a Christian, and not to BECOME a Christian. The changed life comes AFTER a person is saved, as a person grows in the milk of the Word (1st Peter 2:2).
A lot of Christians have brushed the issue aside as a matter of semantics, but the difference between the two Gospels is day and night. One includes a certain degree of self-righteousness (human effort), which is a false gospel; but the other is solely based upon Christ's righteousness and God's PROMISE, which is by the precious literal, physical, blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ in Heaven (Hebrews 9:12, 24; 12:24; Revelation 1:5).
Satan's greatest weapon is to con people into living the Christian life without ever being born-again. We're hearing a lot of talk these days from religious radio, religious books, and in the churches about: “inviting Christ into your life” and “starting a personal relationship with Jesus” and “becoming a Christ follower” and “receving Jesus as one's 'Lord'” and “surrendering all to Christ” and “turning away from your sins,” but NONE OF THESE are the Gospel!!! You can do every one of these things and yet never have been born-again at all, and still go straight to burn in the fires of Hell when you die.
My friend, Jesus warned, “YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN” (John 3:3-7; 1st Peter 1:23). We don't hear that term much these days from the neo-evangelical camp. And sadly, America's independent Baptist churches are not as “independent” as they claim. Even amongst independent Baptist, thousands are following reprobates like Dr. John MacArthur, Paul Washer and others whop have erred from the faith concerning the simplicity that is in Christ (2nd Corinthians 11:3-4). To teach that a person must turn away from sinful activities to be saved is “ANOTHER GOSPEL.” That is not what “repentance” means in the Greek in the Bible. Repentance is simply a change of mind unto the Gospel itself. Please read, The Great Meaning of the Word “Metanoia”!
Salvation is not something that we do to get, it is a gift that we receive to have. Jesus doesn't forgive sin! That is correct. Jesus has already paid for everyone's sins with His blood. Thus, forgiveness of sins and eternal life are free gifts which we simply need to receive, by faith in Jesus Christ! Nor do you have to “ask” Jesus to save you, because God has already promised “TO SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE” (1st Corinthians 1:21). Beware of the Devil creeping heresy into the churches. There is only one Gospel, as defined in 1st Corinthians 15:1-4. Beware of Dr. James Dobson's nine extra steps to be saved! Beware of Evangelist Billy Graham's false Gospel. I am being your friend to tell you the truth. We are saved by “BELIEVING” the Gospel of Jesus Christ, nothing more!


Sometimes men of God don't look the way you're expecting them:

By their fruits ye shall know them!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

WHAT YOU TEACH IS HERESY!

Romans 4:5, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
My question to you is, Are there two Gospels? That is, are there two plans of salvation from God for man? The answer is a resounding, “NO!” Yet, there are two very different Gospels being taught today in the churches across America...
1. LORDSHIP SALVATION — The false gospel of John MacArthur, Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, Paul Washer, Jack Chick, Aiden Tozer, Rick Warren, James Dobson, David Cloud, John Piper, Charles Lawson and others, which requires a person to forsake (or be willing to forsake) their sinful behavior, make amends, and change their ways, as a prerequisite to saving faith. This false gospel confuses the FRUIT of the indwelling Holy Spirit with the ROOT of saving-faith. The sinner is required to change their own life. Believing is not enough, the sinner must commit to forsaking sinful behavior to be saved. This is a false gospel of manmade repentance. In Lordship Salvation, the sinner changes their own life, which is wrongly understood to be repentance.

Your argument is garbled – I can’t make out your point here.

Jesus requires mankind to have Faith in Him – the only way to do that is to take Him as an example – a sort of “do as I do and as I say” approach.

Obviously, there is some test of faith, otherwise Jesus would not have gone on about “Those who cry Lord! Lord!”, would He?

We accept Jesus when we agree with everything He did and said and when our doing and saying becomes automatic and unthinking and His. At this point, if we have followed the instructions, then, we are Saved.

It is not the “willingness to be Saved” that Saves us, but the spiritual state that saves us.

Now although this may take some time to achieve, and although there is backsliding (I’m looking at you with your false gods and misunderstanding and believing the garbage that has been fed to you since birth) Jesus knows if your acceptance of Him is genuine from the start – He sees in the soul, He sees motive.

I genuinely believe that you think you have an answer, and it is a pity that you have been deluded by false prophets and the wiles of Satan because of you had made it to heaven, you could have had a word with that Patriarch, Job – he is renowned for his patience – I am not.

Please sum up your entire philosophy in 200 words – an “executive summary” if you will – it will help us both: you, as it will crystallize your thoughts and me, as it will save me reading something that may well be blasphemous.


PS - as far as you can, please keep to Jesus's Words, rather than Paul's - I feel they carry more weight, don't you?


Thank you.

[LW1997 (On Moderation)]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

Your argument is garbled – I can’t make out your point here.

Jesus requires mankind to have Faith in Him – the only way to do that is to take Him as an example – a sort of “do as I do and as I say” approach.

Obviously, there is some test of faith, otherwise Jesus would not have gone on about “Those who cry Lord! Lord!”, would He?

We accept Jesus when we agree with everything He did and said and when our doing and saying becomes automatic and unthinking and His. At this point, if we have followed the instructions, then, we are Saved.

It is not the “willingness to be Saved” that Saves us, but the spiritual state that saves us.

Now although this may take some time to achieve, and although there is backsliding (I’m looking at you with your false gods and misunderstanding and believing the garbage that has been fed to you since birth) Jesus knows if your acceptance of Him is genuine from the start – He sees in the soul, He sees motive.

I genuinely believe that you think you have an answer, and it is a pity that you have been deluded by false prophets and the wiles of Satan because of you had made it to heaven, you could have had a word with that Patriarch, Job – he is renowned for his patience – I am not.

Please sum up your entire philosophy in 200 words – an “executive summary” if you will – it will help us both: you, as it will crystallize your thoughts and me, as it will save me reading something that may well be blasphemous.


PS - as far as you can, please keep to Jesus's Words, rather than Paul's - I feel they carry more weight, don't you?


Thank you.

Here is Jesus' word in John 3:16-18:


For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I am not saying we have a license to sin, God forbid, our mistakes will always have consequences. Salvation is automatically, sanctification a live long process.
You cannot get saved by believing faith wasn't enough. That downplays the power of Christ's blood atonement.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:21-23)


What is the father's will?


All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:37-40)

A true Christian knows that Jesus does not make shallow promises like us.

[Arnie Flenderson]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

Thank you so much! If only all of humanity had the same thinking, those poor souls. I'm making my filthy Sodomite son memorize this, in the hopes that the pure righteousness of this text scares the foul spirits of Satan from his body! I will be sure to pray for all those lost souls that they might one day (if, of course, it is the will of God) find salvation.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

Thank you so much! If only all of humanity had the same thinking, those poor souls. I'm making my filthy Sodomite son memorize this, in the hopes that the pure righteousness of this text scares the foul spirits of Satan from his body! I will be sure to pray for all those lost souls that they might one day (if, of course, it is the will of God) find salvation.

Mr Flenderson, I must ask, how did your son ended up being a homer?I am seeing a father with not enough discipline. A father without a rod.
Is that the case, Mr Flenderson?

[Diesel Stanford]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

It can't be any clearer. Only Christ can save!

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

It can't be any clearer. Only Christ can save!

Indeed only Christ can Save!

Glory!

However, please understand we can peruse Youtube videos whenever we wish, and this isn't a dropbox for videos. What we're interested in is your personal walk with Jesus! In your own words. You can introduce yourself in our very conveniently labeled Introduction Forum!

[Murdoc_Niccals]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

Thanks For the info and I'll try to be more Satanic. And I'll see everyone in Hell.

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

Thanks For the info and I'll try to be more Satanic. And I'll see everyone in Hell.

Hell Friend,
Welcome to the friendliest of friendly forums. It would be nice if you could introduce yourself and tell us all about your own, personal, Walk With Jesus.


Luke 1:6 - And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


YIC
TT

[Pamela Smith]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

Thanks For the info and I'll try to be more Satanic. And I'll see everyone in Hell.

How edgy of you, Murdoc! Welcome to the forums. Have you made an introduction post yet?

[Salmon_GOD]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

Thank you for telling me about the word of God

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

Thank you for telling me about the word of God

You're welcome, dear! Are you ready to be born again and follow Christ and join us praising His Holy Name forever and ever and ever?!?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: How Do I get Saved? A Guide for the Lost!

There are creeds claiming that baptism causes Salvation and that by sprinkling babies who have no idea what's going on they can sucker in another schmuck. Conversion however results from a belief. Baptism follows on from that belief and clearly does not cause the belief because catholic or Anglican baptism (of babies) very rarely results in Christian adults.

Acts 8: 5-6a, 26-29, 35-40
Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake

The locations mentioned are shown on the map.
I've marked a line from Jerusalem to Gaza for reference.

And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, was returning and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

The eunuch was puzzled by what he read.
Was it a prophecy that God was about to reproduce?
Philip explained this more fully.

Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

There are also people who claim that God does not produce children, or is incapable of doing so, or that the whole concept has nothing to do with any Israelite prophecy. These are false claims, not supported by Scripture. Obviously some heretic could write a different Gospel in which God did not have children and therefore did not have a son and therefore Jesus was not related to God. In such cases the heresy could be cooked up over a thousand years or so, complete with rewritten Scriptures, then after another thousand years the bogus material could be held up as bogus evidence for the bogus claims. But if that were the case, Philip would not be teaching The Truth and would not be endorsed by The Holy Spirit for his witness that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He would not have been sent to the eunuch with a false teaching and would not have been transported by The Holy Spirit to Azotus to continue his ministry.

But he was. The eunuch was saved. In this way we know that accepting Jesus as God's Son is the path to Salvation and that heretics are promoting garbage.