[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

Maybe you were so focused on how many "I's" I used that you missed the crux of my opinion.

The Satanic slant of your language betrays what you are trying to tell us.

Matthew
12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

[notworthy Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

So why is there only ONE Bible? Why didn't God give us a different bible for each "flavor" preference? BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE NARROW PATH. ANd it's not yours.

Yes, there is only one path, and it is narrow - very narrow. It is only through the blood of Jesus, and the forgiveness of sins that he offers, a gift free of charge to those who will only believe in him, that we can go.

Come on though, are really seriously going to use that "flavor" argument? I did not elude to anything that you are saying I did. What I said was, before you took it out of context, is that people, you, me, anyone, all are different. Some will respond to a certain style of teaching better than others. It has nothing to do with different bibles, I am not even sure why you brought that up. And I never said one word about salvation, the wide or narrow path, or anything. Again, I don't know why you bring this up.

So you claim that you know more about preaching Christianity than Christ himself did. We preach the way Jesus preached.



You'd prefer us to be apologetic, flip-flopping, mealy-mouthed appeasers of sin. Typical liberal.

Again, why do you try to twist what I said around? I never made a claim about knowing how to preach, not once. And I most certainly never made a claim that I can preach better than Jesus did. You are pulling that out of thin air I am afraid.

What I said was (maybe you should read it again, with some patience and tolerance of how others communicate) that what I read is that Christ was a caring teacher. I am sure he was terse with some, but also kind and understanding of others. I am simply saying that many replies here are actually "attacking" in nature, and that can be a negative thing if your goal is to help others understand the love of Christ and seek salvation.

I never said to be apologetic, or flip-flopping. In fact I made several references to the fact that you should state the truth. You should call sin what it is, sin. But, you can also be kind in how you do this. It might call for being aggressive, or it might call for a more gentle approach. Just because you are kind in how you say it does not mean you don't speak the truth. It comes back around to people having different "flavors" they respond to.

[s. warnin]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

You do realize this is a forum, right? You must also realize then that when someone converses with others, many times they express thier opinions. You cannot express your opinion without using "first person" english, thus the use of "I".

What did you expect, that I was going to post on a forum like this with something like:



Maybe you were so focused on how many "I's" I used that you missed the crux of my opinion. I, being the author of what I wrote, was very explicit in expressing my concern of how others might find replies given by folks like yourself, and that I would imagine our Lord Jesus Christ would respond much differently than many I have seen. That sounds like a lot of concern for someone other than myself.

But, that is just ME I guess. lol.

This is not a forum, this is God's Favorite Forum, and as for posting your satanic trash...you just did.

[Jedediah]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

It seems people around here are very fond of passing judgement, as if they themselves were God. You do not know the plans of God, for they are his alone. Maybe some here should respond to people in a manner consistent with how Christ would. If that is our standard to abide by, ask yourself, would Christ himself respond the way you do?

You obviously do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling within you, as you exhibit a complete dearth of Christian discernment. I suggest you read Pastor Jim's sermon The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5).

Regarding the unsaved trash, what better way is there to show our Christian Love with them than to share the Good News with them exactly as it was recorded in the Holy Bible? If our hearts were not filled with love for all the unsaved trash of the world, why would we spend our time trying to win their souls for His Kingdom? The most hateful thing I can think of would be to ignore them as they wallow in depredation or, worse yet, molly-coddle them and tell them that their sinful nature is okay in the eyes of the LORD. God is very clear about how we are to do the work of evangelists and spread the Good News.

II Timothy 4:2-5
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

We are trying to snap them out of their delusion and exhort them to get right with Jesus! God has brought them here for a reason. For us to just ignore their desperate cries for help would be completely antithetical to the Christian Love that we all feel for all of you. Please try not to be so hostile. We are only trying to help you and the rest of the unsaved trash who come here spewing hatred. It's not too late for you or for them. We want you all to join us in Heaven. We want you all to accept Jesus' kind offer of Redemption and become a True Christians™. It is precisely because of our Christian love that we scourge and chasten unsaved trash.

Hebrews 12:5-8
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

The fact that you lack the discernment to recognize our Christian Love for what it is tells me that your faith is weak and that you have not truly been Saved™. I exhort you to take your faith more seriously, that you may not just hear His Word, but truly understand it. And then, I want you to commit to Jesus and to yourself that you will follow His Word, exactly as it is written.

Matthew 13:14-16
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

It is not enough to merely call yourself a "Christian." You must be born anew of seed incorruptible (I Peter 1:23), at which point all further deviation from God's Word will not just be undesirable, but literally impossible (I John 3:6-9). If you are unable to fully commit to Christ, then you call yourself His servant in vain. Hell will be chock full with unsaved trash who went through life calling themselves "Christian" without having the faintest idea of what that truly means.

Matthew7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Being a True Christian™ is not simply a matter of raising your hand when asked or checking the correct box on a demographic questionnaire. I truly hope you realize this before it is too late for you.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

I never said to be apologetic, or flip-flopping. In fact I made several references to the fact that you should state the truth. You should call sin what it is, sin. But, you can also be kind in how you do this. It might call for being aggressive, or it might call for a more gentle approach.

The bible does not say that we are to be nice to sinners!

2 John

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Just because you are kind in how you say it does not mean you don't speak the truth.

You have turned unto fables that cater to your selfish desires, heathen!

2 Timothy
4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

It comes back around to people having different "flavors" they respond to.

We are not talking about ice cream here, we are talking about THE Word of THE Living God, and not some liberal, false-christian, make me feel good, demonic trash!

By wanting another "flavor" which sounds very homosexual, you have created an idol for yourself!

Exodus
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

You are guilty of the sin of idolatry, liberalism, homosexual language, and satanic language!


The Lord warned us about individuals such as yourself, in his Holy Word!

Jude
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

[s. warnin]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

I never said to be apologetic, or flip-flopping. In fact I made several references to the fact that you should state the truth. You should call sin what it is, sin. But, you can also be kind in how you do this. It might call for being aggressive, or it might call for a more gentle approach. Just because you are kind in how you say it does not mean you don't speak the truth. It comes back around to people having different "flavors" they respond to.


Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Okay so which of these "flavors" do you respond to, fluffy?

[notworthy Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

Wow, I truly had not idea what I was dealing with here.

Whereas just making stuff up is better? Any idiot can say "Jesus was a black gay prostitute who smoked pot, you have to read it in context". And if scripture can't be used in the debate, it's impossible to prove them wrong. And your appeasement Jesus isn't so different from the black gay hippie Jesus liberals expect us to accept without proof.

Considering I never made anything up other than expressing my opinion, that is a truly loving response.

You're a very hateful girl. Why don't you tell us about yourself, your church, and the path you walk with Jesus.


By he way, to answer your question: You damn yourself.

A fine example of assuming I am a girl and also that I am hateful. The fact will state that I was only concerned about how visitors (like myself) seem to be attacked, and how if the visitor (unlike myself) was looking for answers they might be turned off by the very human (thus flawed) responses.

It does appear that this individual is following in the self-serving pride that the devil himself was cast out of heaven for.

What are you talking about? Have you gone wacko? How is me, sharing that some aspects of people like you replying in manners that might be "rough", in any way showing my self-serving pride? That is just nuts. Lucifer was cast out of heaven, true enough. But I fail to see how you believe I was self serving. Its not like I planned on some debate to prove me right and you wrong. I simply felt led to make some comments because of how many "members" here would reply to people. If that is self serving, well, you are free to think that I suppose.

Still don't get it do you? This forum is not about you. We really could not care less about your self-centered, egotistical rantings about how right you think you are and how wrong you think we are.

Huh? You guys all drink the same kool-aid or something? What is it with this whole self-centered bit, and now egotistical. I have yet to say you are 100% wrong. What I have said was that, again, it seems like people get attacked here, and that could drive someone earnestly seeking answers to veer away.

The Satanic slant of your language betrays what you are trying to tell us.

You somehow can discern that I have a satanic slant? You are bonkers dude! You guys might try to follow the "laws" to the letter, or preach in a way consitent with how you think Christ did, and even try to eat what Christ did, which is fine, but you can't even think about what I was saying? That maybe how you reply to people could be tempered, and that if we are supposed to become like Christ as we mature in our faith, that maybe you could respond in ways that would be more beneficial to the specific situation? Somehow now this has turned into my being satanic? I guess I must be nieve, beleiving what I read, and reading how Jesus would forgive sinners and such. Your replies especially border on paranoid.

This is not a forum, this is God's Favorite Forum, and as for posting your satanic trash...you just did.

And finally we have my absolute favorite response.

Gods Favorite Forum.

Not just any forum, but Gods Favorite Forum. Wow, I mean, I had no idea that God had a favorite forum. No one told me. Nobody I know who is a believer knows about this. I mean, if it is Gods Favorite Forum, you would think every person who has accepted Jesus as thier personal saviour would know about that.

Well, now I see that on Gods Favorite Forum, people are free to pass judgement. Now that the good Rev. Edward Clement has decided that I have a satanic slant, I must officially posting my satanic trash.

I have wasted a little bit of my life now. I will pray for those here, that they would allow thier minds to be open to change, if it be Gods will. That they might take a minute to ponder this conversation, and ask God the question "are we sometimes aggressive and rough when we reply to people, when we could have taken a more subtle route?". Maybe this is your calling, to be so abrasive. Maybe lots of people come here and truly feel led to repent and believe, I don't know. All I do know is that God often uses others to teach us what he wants us to learn. If you can get past your very strange outlook that what I have said is satanic maybe you can seriously ask God if he did want to you learn something or change.

I am now going to bed. I will pray for this place and try my hardest (being the flawed person that I am) to not tell other people that I found Gods Favorite Forum. Besides, I don't know that I really want them to be attacked and ridiculed over nothing.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

I'm always left wondering how these idiots that cherry pick the bits they like about God and make up other bits to fill in the gaps make the choice of which bits God really meant.

Anyone can make up God inside their head but it takes a special kind of arrogance to then preach to others that your personal vision of God is right and proper and theirs is wrong. What's worse in cases like this is not only is he saying we are wrong he's assuming we're like him and we have a make-believe God we prefer instead of the true God of the Bible that we rightly fear the vengeance and retribution thereof.

How can he not realise that when we preach we're not making God up but instead are referring to God-breathed scripture that is inerrant and perfect!

GLORY!

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

incoherent, a selfish babble deleted...
I am now going to bed. I will pray for this place and try my hardest (being the flawed person that I am) to not tell other people that I found Gods Favorite Forum. Besides, I don't know that I really want them to be attacked and ridiculed over nothing.

Don't go casting your pagan spells against us, you fals-Christian, heathen, witch!

They will be to no avail for we are covered by the Armor of God(r).

Ephesians
6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

We know what you are and we know that you are a servant of HELL!

The evidence is in your behavior, and by the gift of the descernment of spirits, we know that you are a false-Christian that is going to HELL!

Galatians
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
You have exibited many of these, already, heathen trash!

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

How can he not realise that when we preach we're not making God up but instead are referring to God-breathed scripture that is inerrant and perfect!

GLORY!

Amen. They fail to realise that because they do not have the Spirit of God living within them.

1 Corinthians
2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Some of them may read these verses but they do not have the understanding of the Lord to understand them, and they often leave this verse out.

1 Corinthians
2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
That settles it. They do not realise we are preaching God's words because we have the mind of Christ, and they do not; we arer True-Christians™ and they are hell-bound®, heathen trash.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

*** blah blah blah I don't know that I really want them to be attacked and ridiculed over nothing. blah blah blah ***

Please go back and read your OP. Please don't let the irony and hypocrisy blind you.

- You came in here and called us fools, and said we were silly.

- You said you don't want to dilute the truth, then you are shocked when we back up EVERYTHING we say with verbatim quotes from the KJV Bible.

Etc.

Here is what you need to do: take a couple of weeks away from Minecraft and read the Bible. All the way through, cover-to-cover. It doesn't take that long if you just decide to sit down and do it. I'm on my 14th time through in less than 9 years.

I can tell you have never done that before: it shows. It's OK, you can still redeem yourself.

Once you've done that, come back here and try to be civil, and we'll discuss any questions you have. Take notes, and try to limit your distractions.

Be forewarned: you have had God's Word filtered through various mouthpieces over the years (parents, agenda-driven preachers, mildly retarded friends, etc.), so some parts of it will be quite a surprise.

Stick with it.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[notworthy Waiting for Email Confirmation]

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Ha ha. This is a convincing website.

You should give a few of your regulars some warnings that they are being a liitle too liberal with the negro and homosexual comments. If it weren't for those, I might have actually believed you guys were serious.

By the way, how many acres does the super duper church own again?

Very convincing.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

Ha ha. This is a convincing website.

You should give a few of your regulars some warnings that they are being a liitle too liberal with the negro and homosexual comments. If it weren't for those, I might have actually believed you guys were serious.

By the way, how many acres does the super duper church own again?

Very convincing.

You aren't focusing. Don't worry about what has been said or what you've read elsewhere: I want you to read the BIBLE. All the way through, no iPods, no Sam Adams, no Minecraft, no distractions. Just you and God.

Promise me, whatever else you feel about Landover or the comments in this thread or anything else that is going on in your life, that you will do that one thing for me.

The first time I read it, my life, everything, EVERYTHING was changed. I know it will have the same impact on you, too.

Sincerely,

Zech

[notworthy Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

You know, I am a pretty big geek. I know more about computers than most. I know a number of program languages. I have been using the internet since it began. I have never heard of this website before. That is pretty amazing really.

I must say, I read the minecraft thread first, and then decided to reply (I thought, man, this is just too far out for me, they are crazies and I have to say something). Yes, I am a true christian, I wasn't joking about that. And yes, I do believe that this theology is actually pretty acurate on some levels, and that "christianity" can be so horridly portrayed. But I also believe in Christ and what he did.

Anyway, I had no idea of the extent of Landover. It is actually quite impressive, even if I think it is garbage. I did reread this, and since I am not trying to respond, actually started reading it. Very sad, but also very humorous.

Too bad it is turning people away from the one true god, as it has a lot of content that might be funny if not so, well, mocking.

You guys have fun, and make sure to get a good chuckle out of this particular thread. Very convincing if one does not pay attention.

[s. warnin]

Re: Damn me? Who damns me?

I am now going to bed.

You're still here...self-centered mocker of God?