[Redeemed Papist]

I will say again what I said before,

Why would God create gays if he does not approve of them?

Why would God do anything? God doesn't have to justify Himself to you.

God quite clearly hates gays or why would he want them killed? Gayness is throwing God's gift of the right genitals back in His face and using them to be an abomination in the full knowledge that God wants you dead if you do!
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[Cheria]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

So what is your definition of a 'True Christian'. It seems that you think it's a hippy peacenik who ignores the word of God.

Should a True Christian ignore the Bible?

YIC

Jack

A 'True Christian' would be someone who follows God, BUT DOES NOT TAKE IT TO THE EXTREME. Someone who would not hate every other country but their own.

I do not think that a true Christian should ignore the Bible. But I think they shouldn't believe absolutely everything word for word.
Stories from the bible are so old, they have been retold hundreds and thousands of times before they were written into the bible. When stories are retold they change. You cannot really believe that the entire Earth's population came from two people right?

A 'True Christian' would not gun down every single person on this forum who is Irish, gay or whatever else.

[Cheria]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

He doesn't create gays. It's a choice.

Using your logic you could also say,

'Why would God create pedophiles if he does not approve of them?'

Do you think God approves of pedophiles as well?

YIC

Jack

Because, unlike being gay, being a pedophile is a choice.

Being gay is something that is determined before birth or during early childhood.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

So how do these True Christians that meet your approval select which commandments from their Lord aren't worth the paper they're written on?

Why not just have the courage of your convictions and admit to everyone you follow a god that's your personal god that's made up in your head? That god is based on your own feelings and bits of culture you like, some of which happens to be the Bible. I could respect that even if it saddened me that you will burn in Hell for all eternity.

But instead here you are telling us that you are right and we are wrong based only on some feelings you had.

How arrogant!
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[Jack O'fagan]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

A 'True Christian' would be someone who follows God, BUT DOES NOT TAKE IT TO THE EXTREME. Someone who would not hate every other country but their own.

I do not think that a true Christian should ignore the Bible. But I think they shouldn't believe absolutely everything word for word.
Stories from the bible are so old, they have been retold hundreds and thousands of times before they were written into the bible. When stories are retold they change. You cannot really believe that the entire Earth's population came from two people right?

A 'True Christian' would not gun down every single person on this forum who is Irish, gay or whatever else.

Jesus believed the Genesis accounts, in fact He quoted from them,

Luke 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
25But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.



Do you think that Jesus was wrong?


If there was no Adam and Eve then there was no original sin. Jesus died to wash away this sin from us with His blood.


Do you think Jesus died for a lie?


YIC


Jack

[Cheria]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

So how do these True Christians that meet your approval select which commandments from their Lord aren't worth the paper they're written on?

Why not just have the courage of your convictions and admit to everyone you follow a god that's your personal god that's made up in your head? That god is based on your own feelings and bits of culture you like, some of which happens to be the Bible. I could respect that even if it saddened me that you will burn in Hell for all eternity.

But instead here you are telling us that you are right and we are wrong based only on some feelings you had.

How arrogant!
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Because I am right. You are just brainwashed by your cult.

This god is not one I have made up. You and your cult are the ones going to hell.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

Because I am right. You are just brainwashed by your cult.

This god is not one I have made up. You and your cult are the ones going to hell.

If you don't believe in Adam and Eve because you don't think it's likely what are you thoughts on the virgin birth or Christ's resurrection after being dead for three days? Surely using your logic you must dismiss these as well?

YIC

Jack

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

She knows "she's" right. Jack, there's no point talking to this one. She's right and we're wrong because she has special thoughts that are much better than ours: or even God's!
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[Jack O'fagan]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

She knows "she's" right. Jack, there's no point talking to this one. She's right and we're wrong because she has special thoughts that are much better than ours: or even God's!
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James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Of course you are right. It just a shame she did not grasp this opportunity and the help that we were offering. She will have an eternity of agony to look back on this moment and regret her actions. We did our best to help her, we could have done no more.

YIC

Jack

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

The determination to go to Hell is very strong in some of them.
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[Cheria]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

I really feel sorry for all of you in this cult.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

I really feel sorry for all of you in this cult.

It's very interesting that you cannot answer simple questions that we put to you (proving that your thoughts are not even clear to you) yet you refuse any help from us to guide you to salvation.

[Redeemed Papist]

I really feel sorry for all of you in this cult.

Not half as sorry as we are for you and your imaginary god you make up inside your own head to rubber stamp your opinions and add weight to your prejudices. I guess the idea that there's some higher force telling you what you have an opinion on that you can't prove or construct an argument about is right and proper and endorsed by God makes you really certain.

Nobody else but you believes in the god you are citing because that god is YOU!

We'd rather believe in a real God with cast iron evidence for His existence. Every time I see God telling me to do something I don't really feel inclined to do or telling me not to do things I am tempted to do I know He is the God I didn't dream up myself. I mean, if I didn't have God to tell me what's right I might be like you; apologising for sinners who otherwise seem like OK people.
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[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

This god is not one I have made up.

Oh I see. Of all the True Christian™ wanna-be's who make up their own gods (conspicuously identical to their own consciences), yours is the right one. This you know because...you just do.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: not to argue, but to debate

Not half as sorry as we are for you and your imaginary god you make up inside your own head to rubber stamp your opinions and add weight to your prejudices. I guess the idea that there's some higher force telling you what you have an opinion on that you can't prove or construct an argument about is right and proper and endorsed by God makes you really certain.

Nobody else but you believes in the god you are citing because that god is YOU!

We'd rather believe in a real God with cast iron evidence for His existence. Every time I see God telling me to do something I don't really feel inclined to do or telling me not to do things I am tempted to do I know He is the God I didn't dream up myself. I mean, if I didn't have God to tell me what's right I might be like you; apologising for sinners who otherwise seem like OK people.
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It's the arrogance of these people that get me. Like the world would stop functioning if they die so they have to invent a god who wants them to come to his house party for ever and ever. Oh and sinners and queers are allowed. Anything that makes them feel better.

The real God of the Bible doesn't care about their widdoo feewings. He's the God of Justice and Righteousness, not feel-goodness.