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  • watsoncarl53
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    • Jan 2012
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    Please Explain If You Can

    Matthew, Chapter 5, 048: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    At what point in his life did Jesus become perfect even as his Father which is in heaven is perfect?

    Was it before he was born? Was it after he was born? Is this a commandment? If so who is it to? Did Jesus have to become perfect as a man like us? Or did he start out perfect? If he was perfect to begin with why would he ask us to be perfect when we were not perfect to begin with? Or were we also perfect to begin with?
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    • Wide-Open
      Director of European Evangelical Outreach
      A Shining Example of Christ's Love
      Quite possibly the only decent, heterosexual human being in the whole of Europe
      True Christian™
      • Nov 2007
      • 18449
      #2
      Re: Please Explain If You Can

      Yes.

      BTW, this is the introduction forum. We prefer people who tell us a bit about themselves before trying to answer rather, um, cryptical questions.

      Chop chop!
      Psalm 81:10:
      I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
      open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

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        • Redeemed Papist
          Former Mary Hailer who has seen The Light(c)
          True Christian™
          • Jul 2011
          • 10409
          #3
          Re: Please Explain If You Can

          Just be perfect, OK. Good grief! How hard can it be?

          Now get on with telling us about yourself so we may know you.
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            • James Hutchins
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              • Jun 2009
              • 29453
              #4
              Re: Please Explain If You Can

              Originally posted by watsoncarl53 View Post
              Matthew, Chapter 5, 048: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

              At what point in his life did Jesus become perfect even as his Father which is in heaven is perfect?

              Was it before he was born? Was it after he was born? Is this a commandment? If so who is it to? Did Jesus have to become perfect as a man like us? Or did he start out perfect? If he was perfect to begin with why would he ask us to be perfect when we were not perfect to begin with? Or were we also perfect to begin with?
              Son, I want to like you, I think you are possibly a very, very smart person but what is your obsession with perfection? You are not God, all you can do is strive. He will tell you when you have succeeded like a Pastor.
              How about you tell us about your desperate failings in life, areas of your personality that are greatly flawed so Jesus may be able to lift your from the depths of your despair into His sinewy arms of love.
              Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
              Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
              Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
              Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
              Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
              Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                • Rev. M. Rodimer
                  Honorary True Christian™
                  Forum Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 13996
                  #5
                  Re: Please Explain If You Can

                  Originally posted by watsoncarl53 View Post
                  Matthew, Chapter 5, 048: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

                  At what point in his life did Jesus become perfect even as his Father which is in heaven is perfect?
                  This is a command from Jesus to His followers. Why did you not read the rest of the chapter, instead of just the last verse? It should be clear from the context how Jesus intends this.

                  Jesus was always perfect, being God Incarnate.

                  If he was perfect to begin with why would he ask us to be perfect when we were not perfect to begin with? Or were we also perfect to begin with?
                  He didn't ask. He commanded. That's how a "command" works.

                  It's not a request.

                  You may have heard lies from various so-called 'Christians' who say that if you sin and then tell Jesus you're sorry, then everything is OK, even if you go out and sin some more.

                  This is not true. For as Jesus Himself said earlier in that very chapter, it is necessary to obey every bit of God's Law:

                  Matthew 5:18-20

                  17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

                  18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

                  19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

                  20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
                  He then reiterates this point, as you have noted, in Matthew 5:48.

                  It ain't rocket science. Obey the Lord and go to Heaven. Disobey and go to Hell.

                  What's it gonna be?
                  Bible boring? Nonsense!
                  Try Bible in a Year with Brother V, or join Shirlee and the kids as they discuss Real Bible Stories!
                  You can't be a Christian if you don't know God's Word!

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                    • Zechariah Smyth
                      Walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
                      True Christian™
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 15251
                      #6
                      Re: Please Explain If You Can

                      Originally posted by Rev. M. Rodimer View Post
                      You may have heard lies from various so-called 'Christians' who say that if you sin and then tell Jesus you're sorry, then everything is OK, even if you go out and sin some more.
                      Not only that, but if you KNOW something is a sin and do it anyway you've just wasted Jesus' temporary death for you:

                      (Hebrews 10:26-27) "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

                      Oops!



                      Yours in Christ,

                      Z. Smyth
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