[Professor Bessemer]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

. . . I have done at least one tour in the middle east with the US military.

I have done one, and only one.

Friend, I quoted the above sections of your posts to point out just how confusing your language, and by extension your thought processes, actually are. I will stick by my original assertion that there is something seriously wrong with your memory. It is most likely due to a syndrome I call the Fog of War syndrome. You feel guilty for not serving your country to the best of your ability, so your mind selectively blanks out memories and often creates false ones in their place.

I would not be surprised to find out that you were never in the Middle East at all. It is much more likely that you spent your time in the military smoking narcotics on some run down overseas US base, most likely in South East Asia.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

Perhaps God did Inspire man enough to boldly put his word to paper/papyrus/etc. However surely you would know better than others that we're not perfect, we make mistakes often at best and are completly incorrect other times. While I will not deny your right to believe that god truly set down the first copies and it was law. In fact If I weren't so appalled by just what your doctrine teaches you I would commend your flock for following it's creeds so carefully. It takes a great deal of faith (or in the case of fundamentalists/extremists, blindness) to follow such a path so devotedly.

However your creed refuses your wife's right to speak in church or hold any inkling of authority. It acknowledges and even approves of slavery! Both incredibly huge violations of basic human rights in today's society. Which many other nations who's streets are full of proud atheists/agnostics would be more than welcome to tell you. "But such nations are godless, immoral sinful places." I'm sure some would say, however nations with high tolerance for atheism show that they actually have LESS crime.

So you choose mammon over god?

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Enjoy hell.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

However your creed refuses your wife's right to speak in church or hold any inkling of authority..

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law

If the nonsense prattle of women had any relevance to the world outside of cooking and laundry He would not have given us this verse.

Logic: do you see, now?

Praise Jesus!
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[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

However your creed refuses your wife's right to speak in church or hold any inkling of authority. It acknowledges and even approves of slavery!

Yes, that's right. Your point is what? God doesn't agree with your wishy washy secular laws. You can cry about that all you like but we only tell the truth here.

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

[Rixoli]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

I would ask that you forgive my absence ladies and gentlemen. I have been terribly busy the last few days with helping new neighbors move in.

I believe you are a little muddled in your thinking there friend. If you are a devout atheist, then whom – pray tell, do you pray to?

As I stated in my first post, I was indeed quite a devoted christian during my tour in Afghanistan, I often lead the daily prayer before my work. Although one of my other brothers-in-arms often lead the bible studies while we had time to relax/unwind (from the King Jame's Version) as my knowledge of the scripture was nowhere near as complete as his own admittedly, though my voice tends to carry far better than his own for such occasions and occasionally he would offer me passages for said prayers. His father also conducts many of his flock's sermons and I have and still do respect his right to pray to whichever religion he may choose (although his family have been devoted baptists for at least 3 generations or more now). He has and forever will be one of my closest friends, even if we do share differences in religious beliefs.

My faith has since waned as I look at all these posts that not only condone but reward violence in the household. Believe me when I say that I will not say that punishment is pointless as many bleeding hearts in society will tell you. Indeed many of my siblings had a belt or more taken to them for being little brats. However while he was (and remains to this day) a devout atheist, he pulled each and every one of us aside and told us he would do whatever it took to give us spiritual comfort. It was not unheard of for him to help us find a christian (of any sect) house of prayer we might wish to attend and find a way for us to attend to see if it explained any questions we had mentally and spiritually. He was not against using the rod/cane against us but only as a last resort or in rare cases, as an extreme deterrent against certain activities. While Indeed many did do wrong their actions quickly changed afterwards.


I remember asking him after the tour why he was so determined to help us spiritually connect so much and his response struck me to the core. "Because while I lost my faith in any sort of higher power many years ago. Just because I don't share the same beliefs as my children does not mean I should teach them to hate or deny the existence of a higher being. I fought to defend my right to deny a (higher power/being/god). But I also fought for the right for any of my children to take the path they deem the truth path to salvation." I respected his wishes and while I mourned his choice I came to accept it. Attempting to show him otherwise would only make the time we share more awkward than it already is. While he may indeed be an atheist I would have no man speak vilely upon him, gave 32 years of his life for the USA between the army and navy. He has never laid an angry hand upon my mother (Who has always been a Christian although she rarely had time to go to church with as busy as our home always was).

God promised to preserve His words:

Psalm 12:6-7: The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Isaiah 40:8: The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Matt. 24:35: Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Besides, when you think about it, what sort of God would allow His Word to become corrupted? Are you saying that either He did not bother to preserve His Word, in which case He would not be just, or He couldn't, in which case He would not be omnipotent?

When God's Word disagrees with what today's society wants, why is it automatically the former, rather than the latter, that's wrong? Besides, by emphasizing today's society, you're exposing a flaw in your argument; that is, tomorrow's society might want the exact opposite thing.

Far from it sir, not everything our societies accept are necessarily GOOD but not all of the things we accept in society inherently EVIL either. When I look at Christians as a whole I cant help but look at just how Diverse Christianity is. Christianity in fact appears to have more divisions in it's doctrine than nearly any other religion. Pentecostals; Baptists (such as yourselves); Catholics;Protestants; Lutherans; Methodists etc. . The list goes on and on of how many sub-groups within Christianity exist. And while I may have indeed considered Baptists to be the "Correct" group, Whats to say any other sect's religious doctrine isnt? Indeed nearly all forms of the bible, King Jame's and otherwise have been re-written and translated time and time again. With the proper words becoming more and more misplaced/forgotten each time.

While many would state that the King Jame's Version of the holy bible is the most unedited version to date. Human Error will and has in many cases, found it's way into the bible. Something akin to the age old example of the children's game "telephone". In which 1 person is told a single phrase to pass on to another. Typically the game ends with an either almost or completely different phrase from the last person. My point is the more the bible is passed to be translated for new masses to read and understand (such as Arabic, Spanish,German etc.) the more altered it becomes with each translation.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

While many would state that the King Jame's Version of the holy bible is the most unedited version to date. Human Error will and has in many cases, found it's way into the bible. Something akin to the age old example of the children's game "telephone". In which 1 person is told a single phrase to pass on to another. Typically the game ends with an either almost or completely different phrase from the last person. My point is the more the bible is passed to be translated for new masses to read and understand (such as Arabic, Spanish,German etc.) the more altered it becomes with each translation.

I couldn't disagree more. And I can prove beyond any doubt that the KJV Bible is the one TRUE Word of God. Read THIS.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

My faith has since waned as I look at all these posts that not only condone but reward violence in the household. Believe me when I say that I will not say that punishment is pointless as many bleeding hearts in society will tell you. Indeed many of my siblings had a belt or more taken to them for being little brats.

If you know the value of beating the brattiness out of children, then you know the value of disciplining the wife, too. How complicated do you think this is?

[Rixoli]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

God has assured us that even in our present day that we are hearing His words:

Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

And yes, it is blind faith that guides us. It is the worship of reason that the Satanists and Atheists promote that has led to the terrible state that this world is in.



So morality is determined by the majority?

Hypothetically, if tomorrow, if 90% of the world approved of child molestation and having sex with children....would it make it right?

Think carefully before answering.



This is more of a case of fidgeting statistics to fit your argument. I know people will jump in and say, "look at the crime statistics of atheist-friendly countries like Norway and Sweden". It is not because of the amount of atheists that makes those places safe, it's the amount of white people. And is it any wonder that all the rising crime in those countries are due to the Muslim immigrants? Any cursory glance of statistics will tell you that.

The moral and legal rights of whats right and wrong are 2 entirely different subjects. In response to your hypothetical question many would be forced to look back to societies whom have openly had such morally bankrupt ideals have long since fallen into the pages of history or been forgotten entirely. While religion does teach many valid moral teachings it also teaches many immoral decisions, once again, the condoning of slavery. In the original constitution of the United States all men were created equal, which is also supported by Acts 10:34-35

Well, I don't know much about things outside the home, but I do know that women, like children, are prone to emotional and irrational thinking, and that's no good for leadership. You're a man so you can't know what it's like to be controlled by things like PMS that wreak havoc on your mind. I, for one, will be eternally grateful for my LORD who commissions my husband to take care of me, because we women would be lost without the benefit of logic and wisdom that men alone can provide society.

While I would agree that women can be emotionally compromised by certain "times of the month". Men can be just as equally emotionally and logically compromised in some situations. However men tend to simply bottle such stress until it explodes further down the line in some cases. In some ways this makes for an equally dangerous leader whom may appear to be calm and collected on the outside. But on the inside (mentally,logically, perhaps even spiritually) is terribly stressed. Perhaps its something at work or amongst his friends? perhaps its the inability to perform what he considers a simple task. Whatever the case may be this could just as equally affect his judgement subtly in a number of ways.

I guess that makes another atheist who prays realize the error of their ways. I just wish they'd stay long enough to let us really get to know them.

As I stated in my first post, I apologize for my lack of replies. I have been busy with my job, as well as helping my new neighbors move in.

Friend, I quoted the above sections of your posts to point out just how confusing your language, and by extension your thought processes, actually are. I will stick by my original assertion that there is something seriously wrong with your memory. It is most likely due to a syndrome I call the Fog of War syndrome. You feel guilty for not serving your country to the best of your ability, so your mind selectively blanks out memories and often creates false ones in their place.

I would not be surprised to find out that you were never in the Middle East at all. It is much more likely that you spent your time in the military smoking narcotics on some run down overseas US base, most likely in South East Asia.

I prefer to omit such details not due to a lapse of memory, rather because I prefer to do my best to remain humble of my work within the armed forces. I could refer you to numerous articles which state my unit's (1141st Sapper CO) deployment to Afghanistan, what we did and how we did it. However some of this would be a violation of Operations Security (or op-sec for short). I only clarified in the second post as it seemed you were curious exactly how many tours I have done, which I stress is still 1, in Eastern Afghanistan. To which I would be more than glad to send you any information that would not violate op-sec as proof if you so privately request it. Beyond that I choose to deny answering any questions of my own free will (and not of a mental disorder).

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

Wow! How complicated it all becomes when atheism gets tangled up in your family. The lies you have to tell yourself just to appear like a normal person!

Do as God tells you or burn forever. That's a rule I can follow.
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[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

While I would agree that women can be emotionally compromised by certain "times of the month". Men can be just as equally emotionally and logically compromised in some situations. However men tend to simply bottle such stress until it explodes further down the line in some cases. In some ways this makes for an equally dangerous leader whom may appear to be calm and collected on the outside. But on the inside (mentally,logically, perhaps even spiritually) is terribly stressed. Perhaps its something at work or amongst his friends? perhaps its the inability to perform what he considers a simple task. Whatever the case may be this could just as equally affect his judgement subtly in a number of ways.

Nonsense. God created men to be next in command to Him, not women. You can find any excuse to show why any particular man has let stress wear him down, but no True Christian™ can succumb to pressure because he is following Christ and Christ is perfect. Ergo, a True Christian™ man is as perfect as possible this side of heaven.

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:3

[Rixoli]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

If you know the value of beating the brattiness out of children, then you know the value of disciplining the wife, too. How complicated do you think this is?

Because Women (Fully grown women) whom have been raised in such a household would be more inclined to detect when something is out of place in such a household. A woman is not a child whom is without knowledge or worldly experience. While the husband is indeed the stronger, more resilient (in many case) of a couple, The wife can, in many cases be a voice of reason.


She may very well work beside her husband whom should be more concerned with keeping the family safe and fed while the mother nurtures her children. Looking after them when they hurt themselves (particularly while playing) and teaching them to be morally upright. Indeed while women are far more emotional. They also tend to share a deeper bond with their mothers (after all, who better for a child to trust than the very person who quite literally brought you into this world?) and as such are more willing to explain their behaviors and reasoning to correct to them . While the father stands ready to offer additional support for the more emotional mother should she be (logically) compromised. My point is simply that rather than using physical force to punish a mother, being creative works just as well. That is punishing her without using physical force while perhaps a wife may understand the act, a neighbor who does not understand one's religion's creed would see it as an act of undeserved violence. Who could (As I have seen before) either confront the husband/father or worse, simply inform law enforcement of suspected abuse.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

Because Women (Fully grown women) whom have been raised in such a household would be more inclined to detect when something is out of place in such a household. A woman is not a child whom is without knowledge or worldly experience. While the husband is indeed the stronger, more resilient (in many case) of a couple, The wife can, in many cases be a voice of reason.

The woman is only a voice of reason when, as a True Christian™ woman, she submits to the authority of her husband (which we've already discussed is next in line to God Himself).

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:22

My point is simply that rather than using physical force to punish a mother, being creative works just as well. That is punishing her without using physical force while perhaps a wife may understand the act, a neighbor who does not understand one's religion's creed would see it as an act of undeserved violence. Who could (As I have seen before) either confront the husband/father or worse, simply inform law enforcement of suspected abuse.

There is nothing in God's Holy Word (KJV Bible) about "being creative." There is, on the other hand, the declaration of the husband taking control:

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in sorrow you shall bring forth children; and your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you.
Genesis 3:16

That is punishing her without using physical force while perhaps a wife may understand the act, a neighbor who does not understand one's religion's creed would see it as an act of undeserved violence. Who could (As I have seen before) either confront the husband/father or worse, simply inform law enforcement of suspected abuse.

What neighbors say matter naught to a True Christian™ as it is only fitting to keep one's mind on salvation by being a worthy servant to God.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life
Romans 6:22

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

Ah, Sister Mary, you are reasoning with him as if to a person with a moral compass. He has none and is making up his own values which are only going to coincide with, rather than follow, God's will. And that on rare occasions by the look of things.

It's because you are used to guiding your sons who have been raised right by a good father.

[Little Donkey]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

Ah, Sister Mary, you are reasoning with him as if to a person with a moral compass. He has none and is making up his own values which are only going to coincide with, rather than follow, God's will. And that on rare occasions by the look of things.

You are too kind on the poor fool. I think he is simply too dumb to understand simple sentances written in plain American.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Brothers and sisters of the Landover Baptist Church

You are too kind on the poor fool. I think he is simply too dumb to understand simple sentances written in plain American.

Kindness and God's love is a True Christian(TM) trait. Who else is going to be honest with the poor unsaved trash if we aren't?