[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Well in all actuality I suppose the God depicted in the Torah is most similar unto my perceived God. However even there, the strictures of Judaism are binding much like other religions.

I suppose what I take to heart most from Judaism is YHWH, in that god is "one". If I look at most modern day religions and cut out the scripture placed by Men, all that is left is the word of God and there are surprising similarities in what he has directly said throughout multiple samples of religious cultures. So the implication of YHWH to me is that no matter what religion you follow, God is God, universally the same just interpreted by different people at different times in different cultures. This is why I don't support a particular recognised faith of today, too much is muddied by the words of Men that the messages of God are often forgotten, belittled or manipulated in their interpretation amongst the myriad number of other articles of faith. I shall have to work up a summary of God's direct teachings from multiple religions to compare them for scrutiny's sake.

So the stuff that resonates with you is the Word of God, but the stuff you disagree with is "muddied by the words of men"? Isn't that the essence of being clouded by bias and grandiose delusions?

Your lies are so poorly disguised, I wouldn't even call you a false prophet. A false prophet at least outwardly resembles a prophet. You are just a delusional liar.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

So are you tempered enough to belive in satanist and queer churches??

Is it ok that a male has another man'n penis in your butt as long as you feel "Jesus loves me"?

You sound like a False Christian fool. You have been buggered before haven't you (voluntarily?)

I'm tempered enough to know that Satanist and Homosexual accepting churches do exist. People do recognise Satan as an iconic figure or deity in their lives, so it's logical to assume some would worship him and his faith. As for homosexual churches, why not? Gay people can have religion too. Just ask your Ex-Gay Alex on these forums. Perhaps from your perspective you should view these churches as attempts to reform homosexuals onto the straight and narrow so to speak, rather than abominations of faith.

If I had another man's penis in my butt, I certainly wouldn't be thinking "Jesus loves me".....unless that was his name .

I never proclaimed myself as a Christian, in fact I went out of my way to proclaim myself as one not of any faith.

And no, I have not been buggered before. Not even voluntarily.

Jesus was a stickler about Old Testament law. You cannot use Him as an excuse to break God's Law.
I am just shocked that you would say we can ignore scripture because Jesus died for our sins. You are an antiChrist.

Above, Christ says that antiChrist's like you, who teach men to break even the least of His Laws, are called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. That means, your screams will cut through the acrimony of the Pit and make sweet music for His Ears.

I don't recognise the word of Man as the word of God. Therefore I don't break any of God's laws. I also never said anyone could ignore scripture *because* Jesus died for our sins. I said that I ignore some scripture because it is the word of Men as opposed to the word of God. I would never ignore the words of God and Christ themselves. If a man came into your church and proclaimed himself the voice of god, then laid out scripture saying cars are the devices of Satan himself would your then proceed to go out and destroy your and everyone else's car? I certainly wouldn't, he's just a man. If God appeared before the masses and said so I would.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Tell me, how does your god differ from the God of Abraham and Isaac?

Well in all actuality I suppose the God depicted in the Torah is most similar unto my perceived God. However even there, the strictures of Judaism are binding much like other religions.

I suppose what I take to heart most from Judaism is YHWH, in that god is "one". If I look at most modern day religions and cut out the scripture placed by Men, all that is left is the word of God and there are surprising similarities in what he has directly said throughout multiple samples of religious cultures. So the implication of YHWH to me is that no matter what religion you follow, God is God, universally the same just interpreted by different people at different times in different cultures. This is why I don't support a particular recognised faith of today, too much is muddied by the words of Men that the messages of God are often forgotten, belittled or manipulated in their interpretation amongst the myriad number of other articles of faith. I shall have to work up a summary of God's direct teachings from multiple religions to compare them for scrutiny's sake.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Tell me, how does your god differ from the God of Abraham and Isaac?

I can answer that. His is imaginary.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I do believe my God, whatever shape or form, is omnipotent and all-powerful, but not that he'd give us the gift of free will and then penalise us for using it.

Tell me, how does your god differ from the God of Abraham and Isaac?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Reverend Rodimer, thank you for taking the time to write an insightful reply, it is very much appreciated. I'm writing this off of my phone as we speak, so I can't use some of the forum features like the quote button. Still, bear with me:

You said in reply to me that if god did not want to torment me forever, he could just as easily find another way to deal with me (paraphrased) but if that is true then God can't be wholly good? To wish suffering on others is bad enough, but to damn them to eternal torment when he know's some will not follow him regardless seems a far throw from Good. Sufferance can make you stronger in life, of that I have no doubt, but with perspective God knows whether you're going to believe in Him or not, therefore you are damned from the moment you are conceived? Not even a chance?


I do believe in a God, and I suppose he does not have any defined rules because none have been established. This is in context to the bible which has stricture defining what you can and can not do. However that doesn't mean God has no play in my life. What I mean is that because I believe there is a greater power in the universe, it motivates me to do good and be the best that I can be. I don't feel like I can do that with Christianity. It's just a personal thing, and it may change in time, but that's how it is for me now. God is like a father figure. Constantly watching, guiding, nurturing and protecting.


I don't disagree with the bible, what I don't agree with is that there are numerous lessons in the bible, and as insightful, valuable and wonderful as they may be, a good deal were written by men, who were just as capable of being wrong as we are today. I wholeheartedly follow Jesus' writings, and I guess this sentiment arose when I took all of Jesus' sayings, just what he said, and then read them. After that I read the sayings and teachings of his disciples and followers and some *not all* of their teachings that did not stem from his seemed to be out of context with the feel of what Jesus was saying. Do you get what I mean? I read Jesus' words and felt a sentiment in them that I did not feel when reading the scripture of some of the other chapters. It feels like I'd be following the word of Jesus, and then some other guy has jumped in and said "And do this too" behind his back. I'm not portraying them as evil or bad men, I just don't feel like their word is as reliable as Jesus'.

Jesus was just a man, with the true spirit of God. If he was not, then he would not have died.




And thank you TheLordSavedMe, I understand that to all of you I am something horrible, but your words are kind none the less.

Jesus was a stickler about Old Testament law. You cannot use Him as an excuse to break God's Law.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I am just shocked that you would say we can ignore scripture because Jesus died for our sins. You are an antiChrist.

Above, Christ says that antiChrist's like you, who teach men to break even the least of His Laws, are called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. That means, your screams will cut through the acrimony of the Pit and make sweet music for His Ears.

[Deaner]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Please, welcome me to the forums with an open heart.

So are you tempered enough to belive in satanist and queer churches??

Is it ok that a male has another man'n penis in your butt as long as you feel "Jesus loves me"?

You sound like a False Christian fool. You have been buggered before haven't you (voluntarily?)

Please, welcome me to the forums with an open heart.

Not a chance in hell ball boy

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Reverend Rodimer, thank you for taking the time to write an insightful reply, it is very much appreciated. I'm writing this off of my phone as we speak, so I can't use some of the forum features like the quote button. Still, bear with me:

You said in reply to me that if god did not want to torment me forever, he could just as easily find another way to deal with me (paraphrased) but if that is true then God can't be wholly good? To wish suffering on others is bad enough, but to damn them to eternal torment when he know's some will not follow him regardless seems a far throw from Good. Sufferance can make you stronger in life, of that I have no doubt, but with perspective God knows whether you're going to believe in Him or not, therefore you are damned from the moment you are conceived? Not even a chance?


I do believe in a God, and I suppose he does not have any defined rules because none have been established. This is in context to the bible which has stricture defining what you can and can not do. However that doesn't mean God has no play in my life. What I mean is that because I believe there is a greater power in the universe, it motivates me to do good and be the best that I can be. I don't feel like I can do that with Christianity. It's just a personal thing, and it may change in time, but that's how it is for me now. God is like a father figure. Constantly watching, guiding, nurturing and protecting.


I don't disagree with the bible, what I don't agree with is that there are numerous lessons in the bible, and as insightful, valuable and wonderful as they may be, a good deal were written by men, who were just as capable of being wrong as we are today. I wholeheartedly follow Jesus' writings, and I guess this sentiment arose when I took all of Jesus' sayings, just what he said, and then read them. After that I read the sayings and teachings of his disciples and followers and some *not all* of their teachings that did not stem from his seemed to be out of context with the feel of what Jesus was saying. Do you get what I mean? I read Jesus' words and felt a sentiment in them that I did not feel when reading the scripture of some of the other chapters. It feels like I'd be following the word of Jesus, and then some other guy has jumped in and said "And do this too" behind his back. I'm not portraying them as evil or bad men, I just don't feel like their word is as reliable as Jesus'.

Jesus was just a man, with the true spirit of God. If he was not, then he would not have died.




And thank you TheLordSavedMe, I understand that to all of you I am something horrible, but your words are kind none the less.

[TheLordSavedMe]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Of course the bible is of personal and individual interpretation. Who is to say your interpretation is the right one? You are not one of the writers, therefore you can not claim rights to it's sole and only purposed interpretation.


Yes. I am a heretic to your faith. But it doesn't instantly make whatever I say wrong. If Jesus' sayings were not to be interpreted by each person as they can, then he would have spoken them in the simplest, most straightforward, most absolute and pristine way possible. He said things the way he did for the sole reason that we are to make of it what we should. And to rely on another's interpretation when it is at odds with your own is to shirk the gifts of intellect and free will God gave us in the first place. I chose not to do so.

Jesus not once mentions Christianity. What was created from his teachings was the bible and Christianity, this does not mean Christianity is the only path to Jesus. You can believe his teachings, read his scripture and follow in his path without being of the Church. You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

Hi Tempered!

Uhm, I hate to tell you this but you're not supposed to interpret the Bible, you supposed to do what it says.

After all, it is the Word of GOD and all.

I'm sorry the other people here seem mean to you, but it's because you're a gross, disgusting sinner and they just want you to get saved!









Tammi

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

What the bible actually says is to engage in evangelism, the active spreading of your faith and it's beliefs. No matter how hardened, unfaithful or unbelieving they are. None are above redemption.

Wrong. Only those who choose Jesus can be redeemed.

Or do you believe God created some people to go to hell? That it's part of his plan for those people to suffer eternal damnation?

That's what the Bible says, so yes.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Let's look at this logically:

God knows everything. That logically includes the future. So, He knows who will come to Him and who will not, even before he is born. Thus, God does not 'hope', since hoping for something is only possible if you don't know the outcome in advance.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 tells us that the dead are unknowing. So, you die, you're dead.

Revelation 20-21 tells us about Judgment. God will resurrect all the dead into perfect, immortal bodies. Then, He will cast all the unbelievers, and all sinners (of any type) into His Lake of Fire, where He will burn them alive for all time.

Tell me, if God didn't want to torment you forever, would He not simply leave you dead and unknowing? It's not like He has no other option to burning you alive for all time. He can do whatever He wishes!

I do believe my God, whatever shape or form, is omnipotent and all-powerful, but not that he'd give us the gift of free will and then penalise us for using it.

So you believe in a god with no rules and no laws, and which has no effect upon your life whatsoever.

So why bother?

Of course the bible is of personal and individual interpretation.

Um, no.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Yes. I am a heretic to your faith. But it doesn't instantly make whatever I say wrong.

If it disagrees with the Bible, it is wrong.

If Jesus' sayings were not to be interpreted by each person as they can, then he would have spoken them in the simplest, most straightforward, most absolute and pristine way possible. He said things the way he did for the sole reason that we are to make of it what we should.

Please show me where Jesus said this in the Bible.

I can show you several places where He rebuked his disciples for not understanding his words, and where He also declared that only the faithful could understand, through God. Not through their imaginations.

Jesus not once mentions Christianity. What was created from his teachings was the bible and Christianity, this does not mean Christianity is the only path to Jesus. You can believe his teachings, read his scripture and follow in his path without being of the Church. You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

Um, no you can't, because you don't believe in God, and you don't believe Jesus is God.

You believe Jesus was just a man. He said very differently. You'd know this if you bothered to read the Bible.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

Yes, the Bible clearly says what True-Christians™ have been saying to you.

To put it simply, you are in rebellion and are guilty of witchcraft!

1 Samuel
15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

When you reject the Lord's Chruch, you reject the Authority that has been appointed by Jesus.

The Offices of Ministry work in the church, you foul satanist!

Ephesians
4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Jesus tells us not to forsake going to church, heretic.

Hebrews
10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

[Christianzionist]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Of course the bible is of personal and individual interpretation. Who is to say your interpretation is the right one? You are not one of the writers, therefore you can not claim rights to it's sole and only purposed interpretation.


Yes. I am a heretic to your faith. But it doesn't instantly make whatever I say wrong. If Jesus' sayings were not to be interpreted by each person as they can, then he would have spoken them in the simplest, most straightforward, most absolute and pristine way possible. He said things the way he did for the sole reason that we are to make of it what we should. And to rely on another's interpretation when it is at odds with your own is to shirk the gifts of intellect and free will God gave us in the first place. I chose not to do so.

Jesus not once mentions Christianity. What was created from his teachings was the bible and Christianity, this does not mean Christianity is the only path to Jesus. You can believe his teachings, read his scripture and follow in his path without being of the Church. You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

Everything you say is wrong because it stands in rebellion to the Will of the Almighty Creator.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Of course the bible is of personal and individual interpretation. Who is to say your interpretation is the right one? You are not one of the writers, therefore you can not claim rights to it's sole and only purposed interpretation.


Yes. I am a heretic to your faith. But it doesn't instantly make whatever I say wrong. If Jesus' sayings were not to be interpreted by each person as they can, then he would have spoken them in the simplest, most straightforward, most absolute and pristine way possible. He said things the way he did for the sole reason that we are to make of it what we should. And to rely on another's interpretation when it is at odds with your own is to shirk the gifts of intellect and free will God gave us in the first place. I chose not to do so.

Jesus not once mentions Christianity. What was created from his teachings was the bible and Christianity, this does not mean Christianity is the only path to Jesus. You can believe his teachings, read his scripture and follow in his path without being of the Church. You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Sorry, I forgot to speak about this. I understand your interpretation of this, however it does not say to worship Christianity. Those qualities can be found in people without faith. It says to me that to be whole in spirit you must pursue these qualities in yourself.

When Jesus was around Christianity was not established, after his death and resurrection it was formed. This means his teachings were not TIED to Christianity, but to anyone and everyone regardless of religious affiliation. Like I said, I believe in Jesus and his lessons, and God, all of the chapters of the KJV bible are applicable to modern life, but the teachings I've seen in many of your more pertinent threads are weighed with your own biases. Moreover a great deal of the KJV are sermons given by Jesus' own disciples and various others. They were human beings, and thus capable of making mistakes. This is why I don't believe in Christianity, too much is shaped by what humans have said, and some seem to be out of character with what Jesus' sentiments for this world were. Humans are entirely capable of error and flaw, this is why I only follow the sermons delivered only by Jesus himself. He was perfect, incapable of fallacy. His disciples were flawed, human. If you wish to cite that everyone's lives progress in accordance with God's plan for them, in the case of the disciples, then you can only say so while applying it to everyone, including homosexuals and followers of other faiths. If that follows, then God literally created people that were destined to go to hell. I refuse to believe that.

Heretic, read your bible. Also, the scripture is of no private interpretation; it does not matter what you think that it means.

Romans
9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 2 Peter
1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Dunce!

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

That is impossible; without Jesus you cannot be good because you cannot be in the Spirit, and thus, produce the Fruit of the Spirit®.

Galatians
5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Sorry, I forgot to speak about this. I understand your interpretation of this, however it does not say to worship Christianity. Those qualities can be found in people without faith. It says to me that to be whole in spirit you must pursue these qualities in yourself.

When Jesus was around Christianity was not established, after his death and resurrection it was formed. This means his teachings were not TIED to Christianity, but to anyone and everyone regardless of religious affiliation. Like I said, I believe in Jesus and his lessons, and God, all of the chapters of the KJV bible are applicable to modern life, but the teachings I've seen in many of your more pertinent threads are weighed with your own biases. Moreover a great deal of the KJV are sermons given by Jesus' own disciples and various others. They were human beings, and thus capable of making mistakes. This is why I don't believe in Christianity, too much is shaped by what humans have said, and some seem to be out of character with what Jesus' sentiments for this world were. Humans are entirely capable of error and flaw, this is why I only follow the sermons delivered only by Jesus himself. He was perfect, incapable of fallacy. His disciples were flawed, human. If you wish to cite that everyone's lives progress in accordance with God's plan for them, in the case of the disciples, then you can only say so while applying it to everyone, including homosexuals and followers of other faiths. If that follows, then God literally created people that were destined to go to hell. I refuse to believe that.