[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Shove it heathen, we don't need your kind here. Go sell your craziness somewhere else, we have the Lord to comfort us. What do you have?

Who cares?

You sound like a False Christian fool. You have been buggered before haven't you (voluntarily?)

Your lies are so poorly disguised, I wouldn't even call you a false prophet. A false prophet at least outwardly resembles a prophet. You are just a delusional liar.

I think we've got a troll on our hands, folks. Nobody is this stupid for real.

You mean to say all of that was said for fun? I have not once lied about anything I have said. In summation of EVERYTHING I have said:

I believe in God and Jesus.
I do not believe in the words of Men.
Men are capable of being selfish and teaching what only THEY think SHOULD be taught.

And here is what I have learnt from everything you collectively have said:
I can apparently never be a Christian and believe in the bible, because it's what you think.
I am apparently gay.
People can be malicious because they choose to read what I have written as offensive. You. Have. Chosen. So. I did not say anything out of turn, or argue against anything you have said. I have questioned why you have said them.

I have also learnt that some of you here are capable of reasoning out a good argument with me, without resorting to just insulting me. I have learnt some of you are kind regardless of others.





And I did read your posts and guidelines, and have followed them. If you wish to find me specific examples of where I have violated any of them please inform me so - without being harsh about it. If I've made a genuine mistake then I apologise, but I believe most reactions here are because what people have read has been influenced by others posts and their interpretations or by other peoples interpretations.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

And you never once doubted?

I'm not question you or your religion here. I'm asking about your personal experience.

Jesus leaves no room for doubt. Damnation for disbelief is a very Biblical doctrine (Mark 16:15-16). When you serve God our Father who must get his way all the time, you learn to quench any doubt by reading the bible miracles (Mark 9:24).

God made an ax-head float (2 Kings 6:1-7) and dry bones come to life (Ezekiel 37:1-14). These and the many other Biblical miracles should convince any skeptic of God's pure and undefiled Truth(tm).

Pastor Ed

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Because I'm trying to understand why you so fervently believe in it. There must be a better reason than "because it says so."

I have no question in the quality of your faith in your religion, it is outstanding and remarkable - I just want to understand why. I came here asking about your religion and all I really got back was "You're a fag, Satanist scum." which to me is incredibly closed minded. Obviously that's paraphrased somewhat but you get the idea. If someone else came up to you asking about your faith, in general terms, you instantly rebuke them? I introduced myself and what I believe in right now and the majority of you just lash out with no consideration that your fine examples so far have any relevance on the outcome of whether my faith may change or not.

No one has said such things, and no one has treated you badly. You are a liar.

This is a Private Christian forum, and you waltzed in here unsaved, uninvited and unwelcome, claiming that you just want to "understand" True Christianity(tm), and arguing all the time. I have posted links designed for new posters to gain that understanding, and I have explained to you on several occasons that you should USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION before posting questions, because most likely some other heathen has started a thread on the same subject.

You are the one being rude. Shape up or ship out, fool.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I'll be happy to tell you why I believe. I was taught to believe in God, the God of the Bible, and this God says we are all sinners and worthless in his sight unless we do everything He says when He says it. We are all born sinners and can do nothing good of our own, which means we have no self-confidence or self-esteem or self-worth without this Almighty Lord and Master telling us we are good and accepting us on HIS terms alone.

The Bible teaches these things, friend. If you'd read it, you, too, would know that...

"Without me, ye can do nothing." (John 15:5)

And you never once doubted?

I'm not question you or your religion here. I'm asking about your personal experience.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Because I'm trying to understand why you so fervently believe in it. There must be a better reason than "because it says so."

I have no question in the quality of your faith in your religion, it is outstanding and remarkable - I just want to understand why.

I'll be happy to tell you why I believe. I was taught to believe in God, the God of the Bible, and this God says we are all sinners and worthless in his sight unless we do everything He says when He says it. We are all born sinners and can do nothing good of our own, which means we have no self-confidence or self-esteem or self-worth without this Almighty Lord and Master telling us we are good and accepting us on HIS terms alone.

The Bible teaches these things, friend. If you'd read it, you, too, would know that...

"Without me, ye can do nothing." (John 15:5)

I came here asking about your religion and all I really got back was "You're a fag, Satanist scum." which to me is incredibly closed minded. Obviously that's paraphrased somewhat but you get the idea. If someone else came up to you asking about your faith, in general terms, you instantly rebuke them? I introduced myself and what I believe in right now and the majority of you just lash out with no consideration that your fine examples so far have any relevance on the outcome of whether my faith may change or not.

The reason for that is that you are stepping back and judging us (without Biblical authority - John 7:24) and acting like some homer, just "reflecting" and "observing" and doing other gay things. You act like you are better than us, and what's more, better than God. This is what has welcomed rebukings. We are trying to let you know that you are nothing special. Hell awaits unless you submit yourself to the Law of God.

"For there is no respect of persons with God" (Romans 2:11)

Pastor Ed

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

So you are telling us you have made the choice to provide the soot that will cover the burnt-black walls of Hell. Ok, now what? Why are you here? Just to tell us that? What is the point?

Pastor Ed

Because I'm trying to understand why you so fervently believe in it. There must be a better reason than "because it says so."

I have no question in the quality of your faith in your religion, it is outstanding and remarkable - I just want to understand why. I came here asking about your religion and all I really got back was "You're a fag, Satanist scum." which to me is incredibly closed minded. Obviously that's paraphrased somewhat but you get the idea. If someone else came up to you asking about your faith, in general terms, you instantly rebuke them? I introduced myself and what I believe in right now and the majority of you just lash out with no consideration that your fine examples so far have any relevance on the outcome of whether my faith may change or not.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I have a pretty firm grasp on the bible, it's not that I misunderstand it. I understand it, and choose not to follow it. There is a big difference, what I do is not based out of ignorance.

So you are telling us you have made the choice to provide the soot that will cover the burnt-black walls of Hell. Ok, now what? Why are you here? Just to tell us that? What is the point?

Pastor Ed

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I have a pretty firm grasp on the bible, it's not that I misunderstand it. I understand it, and choose not to follow it. There is a big difference, what I do is not based out of ignorance.

No, it's based on depravity and embracing sin. Jesus says you're either with Him or against Him.

Matthew 12:30:
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

The Holy Bible, for starters.

I have a pretty firm grasp on the bible, it's not that I misunderstand it. I understand it, and choose not to follow it. There is a big difference, what I do is not based out of ignorance.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

What have I misunderstood?

The Holy Bible, for starters.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

What have I misunderstood?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

On the contrary, plenty of people are that stupid. For real. But that is neither here nor there, here I'm trying to discuss my religious philosophy constructively in regards to yours and other members here. So far only a handful have replied courteously or logically. You personally are failing to convey your religion unto me, and instead turn to meaningless slights.

This is a discussion and possibly a debate, not a argument to throw insults around, although I respectfully accept the few mocking remarks that are actually pertinent in regards to your beliefs.

When you do things like deliberately misunderstand other people to get under their skin, that is called "trolling". If you continue to do so, you will be infracted into eternal banmation. Then you cannot get into Heaven. Is that what you want?

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I think we've got a troll on our hands, folks. Nobody is this stupid for real.

On the contrary, plenty of people are that stupid. For real. But that is neither here nor there, here I'm trying to discuss my religious philosophy constructively in regards to yours and other members here. So far only a handful have replied courteously or logically. You personally are failing to convey your religion unto me, and instead turn to meaningless slights.

This is a discussion and possibly a debate, not a argument to throw insults around, although I respectfully accept the few mocking remarks that are actually pertinent in regards to your beliefs.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

So the stuff that resonates with you is the Word of God, but the stuff you disagree with is "muddied by the words of men"? Isn't that the essence of being clouded by bias and grandiose delusions?

Yes, that is the stuff that I resonate with. The word of God, not the word of men. Unless you want to prove that men are equal unto God and perfect in every way, then their words are capable of being false, affected by bias and other cultural ordeals or conceited.

I think we've got a troll on our hands, folks. Nobody is this stupid for real.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

So the stuff that resonates with you is the Word of God, but the stuff you disagree with is "muddied by the words of men"? Isn't that the essence of being clouded by bias and grandiose delusions?

Your lies are so poorly disguised, I wouldn't even call you a false prophet. A false prophet at least outwardly resembles a prophet. You are just a delusional liar.

Yes, that is the stuff that I resonate with. The word of God, not the word of men. Unless you want to prove that men are equal unto God and perfect in every way, then their words are capable of being false, affected by bias and other cultural ordeals or conceited. That is not to say that all of the words of man are so, just that because of it's possibility I choose not to recognise them as the official word of God, just other peoples own interpretations of it and extrapolated life lessons.

If someone tells you "Soup is great" when you already know you don't like soup, does that change what you think about soup? No, you already formed your own opinion about soup. For example, the thing about Pork.

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."

[Leviticus 11:7-8]

However St. Paul said in his letter to the Roman's that all food is clean, as he beleived Jesus had removed that law.

This is just an example of where two MEN have changed things, not God directly. Why would you rely on the word of man when you have the word of God?