I'm open to anything

[Cult of Bart]

Hey there,

I'm probally what you call an unsaved person. The only value i really believe in atm is that i'm straight edge. This means i don't do drugs, i don't drink and i don't have sex without real love involved in it.

I consider myself to be Agnostic, since i really do believe that there is some kind of higher power in the world, but i can't seem to grasp the concept of religion. I'm wondering if one of the religions is right, or close to the truth, but each time i then ask myself how a person can write the word of god into a book, how can he know the world of a being that noone has ever seen or experienced before. I firmly believe in leading a good and moral life, and i do believe in some kind of afterlife, i just can't see how it could all be over when we die.

I did some research on religion since it does interest me and i've read the bible, the koran, the hebrew bible and the teachings of budah, and i've even done some research into hindoeïsm. To me it seems like every single religion out there is trying to promote the same values, respect life, respect your elders, don't steal and all the other values we need in life. The hebrew bible seems to have a lot in common with the old testament, and the koran and bible don't seem to be that different as well, in fact in the koran you can even find mentions of the person that the bible calls Jesus, but they see him as a prophet rather then the son of god.

Overall when i read these books, all of them seem to be writen more as stories with lessons in morals then as to be taken for reality or history. It's all really a bit confusing to me.

My favorite music is Punk Rock, it's just what i grew up with and i guess my moral and believes are combined to this. I don't like the bands that generate hate though. My favorite band is H2O. They are straight edge like me and they promote living a good and clean life.

I have a job, a girlfriend and a good income, we are thinking about buying a house and getting maried. She's a strict atheïst but like me she is also straight edge. I respect her for her beliefs and i really think we are ment for eachother. She always told me if i wanted to marry before god that she would follow me in my faith, whatever it was.
In my community, people respect me, some even look up to me.
So here is the question i ask myself every day. Do i need to be saved, am i leading a good life or am i doing something wrong?

What do you think?

Cult of Personality

[James Hutchins]

Re: I'm open to anything

I assume your plan is that once she is your wive and has to submit to you, you will be having her live by the KJV Bible and be a proper wife, correct?


Either you are Saved and are a Christian or you are damned and will be going to Hell. No iffs, ands or butts.

[Cult of Bart]

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I'm saying that the KJV Bible makes as much sense to me as the Koran and the Jewish Bible, and that i don't know what to believe, everyone says that they have the answer, yet if i pick the wrong one, despite leaving a good and moral life i go to hell? And the women i love does not need to submit to me, she said she would follow me out of love if i chose a path, and if she hadn't i'd still love her and respect her as an Atheïst.

[Redeemed Papist]

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I'm saying that the KJV Bible makes as much sense to me as the Koran and the Jewish Bible, and that i don't know what to believe, everyone says that they have the answer, yet if i pick the wrong one, despite leaving a good and moral life i go to hell? And the women i love does not need to submit to me, she said she would follow me out of love if i chose a path, and if she hadn't i'd still love her and respect her as an Atheïst.

None of that matters. The repair manual for your car can make as much sense as the Bible. None of that matters.

What matters is that the KJV Bible is the only book that offers you the sure fire recipe for Salvation. There's no way to pick the wrong one if you bear this in mind. Everything else is just words made up by men. At least your repair manual for your car has a purpose and is accurate. Those ridiculous holy books have no purpose other than they are useful in extreme need for wiping your arse.

And the Bible says your wife should submit to you.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Leading a good life is NOT good enough.

(Ephesians 2:8-9) "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

I'll give you an example from my own life: There was this queer guy who was a busboy at a diner I worked at. Decent enough fella, and never acted on his insane homo urges. Made KILLER margueritas, and drove a pristine El Camino SS.

Even after I was washed free of sin by the sweet, sweet blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ, I wanted to believe that somehow this otherwise decent man (sic) would join me in Heaven and praise God for Eternity (GLORY!), but no matter how I tried to wiggle around Scripture, this sodomite always ended up on the losing side.

Why? He never unconditionally accepted Jesus' conditional sacrifice.



And that's a damned shame, because I am truly looking forward to having margueritas in Heaven.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Brother Jared]

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Dear friend.

I hope you proceed with your girlfriend as prescribed by God.

"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4)

[Cult of Bart]

Re: I'm open to anything

the bible says that

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

But besides that, as you claim that the Bible is the word of God, so do others claim about their books. And the bible has been written by Men just like those others. I wish i could, but how can you expect me to take your word for it, if it comes to my salvation? As i do not discriminate by any sense in either faith, race or sexual nature, i have as much faith in you telling the truth then in the Jewish man who lives across the hall, the muslim who lives in my street or in the lesbian girl i know. In fact i trust them more because i know and respect them.

You must understand that i did not grow up in Christianity. The only encounters i have with the local priest are of a bad nature, since he is a stuck up arrogant money-grabbing lazy man. This does not mean i judge Christianity, cause i am sure that if you would see the man you would call him a false Christian.

I'm trying to find my own way in faith, trying to figure out what i right, and yet the only thing i hear from everyone is that i'll end up in hell if i don't follow them...

[Nobar King]

Re: I'm open to anything

What do you think?

Cult of Personality

I wonder what happened to make your parents hate you so much that they wouldn't instill proper Christian values in you and instead allow you to wallow your way thru life working at a falaffel stand, going fanatic for a string of worthless screamo bands, and fooling yourself into thinking that those whores actually love you when you're piffling them.

I don't think you're actually open to anything. You're really only open to one thing, which is avoiding Jesus Christ, who went and died for your sins two thousand years ago.

You need to grow up, boy. I know you're young and think you know everything, but if God allows you to get any older you will begin to see how wrong you were.

-Brother Nobar

[Brother Jared]

Re: I'm open to anything

To answer your question I must refer to:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

and: "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." (Proverbs 30:5)

Regarding the Jew and Muslim:

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

and: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5)

[Redeemed Papist]

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I'm trying to find my own way in faith, trying to figure out what i right, and yet the only thing i hear from everyone is that i'll end up in hell if i don't follow them...

But you will end up in Hell if you don't follow God's commands and believe in Jesus.

Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Matthew 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[Zechariah Smyth]

*** blah blah blah *** you claim that the Bible is the word of God *** blah blah blah***

Ahh, the tiger shows its true stripes.

Instead of coming to our peaceful, friendly Christian forum spouting your hate speech, why not simply go down the street to a local church and make the same outlandish claims?

Oh, that's right...you're a COWARD.

YiC,

Z. Smyth

[Cult of Bart]

Re: I'm open to anything

I'm not spouting hate speach, and i respect you for believing that the Bible is the word of god, but you can not expect me to do the same when i come from nothing, at least not yet, i want to learn and i want to believe but this does not come at an instant.

As for our local church, we only have a catholic church here, and the priest is involved into a scandal about molesting a young child. I went to the mosque however, and they invited me in and explained to me the core of their beliefs, it was very pleasant.

Clearly you do not intend to do the same, and it is my mistake for coming here. I'm sorry and will take my leave now.

I wish you all the best.

Cult of personality

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: I'm open to anything

Clearly you do not intend to do the same, and it is my mistake for coming here. I'm sorry and will take my leave now.

Friend, I have seen any number of people explain the basics of True Christianity™ to you.

Obey God. His instructions are in the Bible.

That basic command, and nearly all of the instructions, are also found in Judaism and Islam.

If you choose to obey without question, you spend eternity in Heaven. If not, you spend eternity in Hell, being burned alive in God's Lake of Fire. The same idea is presented in Judaism and Islam, but both deny Jesus.

That's it.

I'm sorry you don't like what you're hearing, and I'm sorry that you expected some sort of sugar-coated version like the Muslims gave you, but we don't do that here. We tell the Truth about God and the Bible, not a bunch of happy lies to get you to give us money.

[Brother Jared]

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I'm not spouting hate speach, and i respect you for believing that the Bible is the word of god, but you can not expect me to do the same when i come from nothing, at least not yet, i want to learn and i want to believe but this does not come at an instant.

As for our local church, we only have a catholic church here, and the priest is involved into a scandal about molesting a young child. I went to the mosque however, and they invited me in and explained to me the core of their beliefs, it was very pleasant.

Clearly you do not intend to do the same, and it is my mistake for coming here. I'm sorry and will take my leave now.

I wish you all the best.

Cult of personality

Everything you need to know is in the Bible (KVJ). Live by it and you will be saved. Do not believe in the words of any false religion worshippers as they are doomed to eternal hellfire.

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)

[Brother Jared]

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I meant to bring the first three verses:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." (1 John 4:1-3)