[Question.Everything]

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Question away. Nobody actually cares about your questions because God's word is perfect.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

That's why we are here - and we're not here to entertain your whining and God-hating but feel free to bang on if you like.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

You see, God's word is against you so nothing you can say from your own opinion has any weight.

Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding, but that his heart may express itself.

God's calling you out as a fool that's full of himself and his own internally revealed wisdom.

Good luck!

This was what I was afraid of. When did I ever say I hate God? You are twisting my words. If God exists, great! I would be thankful to him. But I am currently given no reason to worship him. I know many people who believe in the Christian God, but do not take the Bible as literally as some people here. I am merely questioning the morality of following the Bible blindly, something that was written by MAN and is flawed as MAN is.

Can a person believe in God but not follow the Bible directly?

[Redeemed Papist]

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Can a person believe in God but not follow the Bible directly?

No.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:24-27
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

[Didymus Much]

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...However, my point was that people after the events of the Bible (not characters in the Bible) have changed the Bible numerous times...

That's not a point, it's a claim, and without substantiation, is completely invalid.

[Brother Jared]

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This was what I was afraid of. When did I ever say I hate God? You are twisting my words. If God exists, great! I would be thankful to him. But I am currently given no reason to worship him. I know many people who believe in the Christian God, but do not take the Bible as literally as some people here. I am merely questioning the morality of following the Bible blindly, something that was written by MAN and is flawed as MAN is.

Can a person believe in God but not follow the Bible directly?

You are wrong. God breathed into man what man breathed out.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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I know many people who believe in the Christian God, but do not take the Bible as literally as some people here.

What good would that do?

James 2:19: Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

I am merely questioning the morality of following the Bible blindly, something that was written by MAN and is flawed as MAN is.

Couldn't an omnipotent God make sure that His Word was transmitted without error? Wouldn't an omnibenevolent God want to do so?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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This was what I was afraid of. When did I ever say I hate God? You are twisting my words. If God exists, great! I would be thankful to him. But I am currently given no reason to worship him. I know many people who believe in the Christian God, but do not take the Bible as literally as some people here. I am merely questioning the morality of following the Bible blindly, something that was written by MAN and is flawed as MAN is.

Can a person believe in God but not follow the Bible directly?

No.

Let me put this in a logical manner.

Christians, even the "nominal" type you refer to above, accept two things about God:

God is all-knowing.
God is all-powerful.

Agreed? Agreed.

So, if God is both all-knowing and all-powerful, He knows exactly what the Bible says, and He can change it at an instant. That means He could change every copy of the Bible in existence, in every language, everywhere, at once.

Agreed? I thought so. Very logical, right?

So, if the Bible did not say what God wanted it to say, He could fix that. Right? Right.

So, there are only four conclusions that can be drawn:

1. The Bible says what God wants it to say.
2. God is intentionally confusing us with a "wrong" Bible, so we may be condemned to His Hell. This would mean God is malicious.
3. God is either not all-powerful or not all-knowing, and therefore not much of a god.
4. God does not exist.

Since 2, 3, and 4 are all inconsistent with Christianity, the Bible must be infallible.

[Question.Everything]

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No.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:24-27
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Why not?

That's not a point, it's a claim, and without substantiation, is completely invalid.

Of course it is a claim, but so is the quote below:

You are wrong. God breathed into man what man breathed out.

Some obvious evidence to support it is that there exist many different versions of the Bible found over the centuries, with obvious alterations. You can Google it if you like.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Why not?

Because if you don't follow Jesus' sayings (which are in the Bible) you burn forever in Hell. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

It's been true for 2000 years.

[Question.Everything]

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No.

Let me put this in a logical manner.

Christians, even the "nominal" type you refer to above, accept two things about God:

God is all-knowing.
God is all-powerful.

Agreed? Agreed.

So, if God is both all-knowing and all-powerful, He knows exactly what the Bible says, and He can change it at an instant. That means He could change every copy of the Bible in existence, in every language, everywhere, at once.

Agreed? I thought so. Very logical, right?

So, if the Bible did not say what God wanted it to say, He could fix that. Right? Right.

So, there are only four conclusions that can be drawn:

1. The Bible says what God wants it to say.
2. God is intentionally confusing us with a "wrong" Bible, so we may be condemned to His Hell. This would mean God is malicious.
3. God is either not all-powerful or not all-knowing, and therefore not much of a god.
4. God does not exist.

Since 2, 3, and 4 are all inconsistent with Christianity, the Bible must be infallible.

Sorry, not agreed. There is that little problem of it being physically impossible. And since youll probably reply with "the laws of physics dont apply to the divine", then im sure someone would notice the changes made

Because if you don't follow Jesus' sayings (which are in the Bible) you burn forever in Hell. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

How do you know?

To save you some frustration: You would probably reply "because the Bible says so", at which point you will have come a full circle.

Can I not believe in the truth of the Bible? => No => Why? => Because the Bible says so

[Redeemed Papist]

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How do you know?

Matthew 13:41-43
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You see! All you need to do is put together what's staring you in the face.

[Question.Everything]

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Matthew 13:41-43
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You see! All you need to do is put together what's staring you in the face.

Haha! I dont think you see my point at all, oh well.

Also @ Mr. Rodimer:
Gays, witches and whatnot were stoned because that was the view of people at the time the Bible was written, and since it was written by the hand of man, there is obvious bias towards what was "right" and "wrong" at the time. This does not reflect Gods absolute views for all time periods.

[Didymus Much]

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...Of course it is a claim, but so is the quote below:...

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

This is a Baptist Church forum. The KJV Bible is accepted as truth here.

Your deflections and unsubstantiated claims are not.

...Some obvious evidence to support it is that there exist many different versions of the Bible found over the centuries, with obvious alterations...

Yes, there are many false Bibles, which is why True Christians™ only accept the Authorized King James Version. Please see this thread for more info: Seven Easy Ways To Tell The True Bible From the False Ones

...You can Google it if you like.

Not gonna do your work for you, sorry.

[Brother Jared]

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In The Old Testament, which was written over a 1,000 year period, there are several hundred references to the coming Messiah, all of which were fulfilled exactly in Jesus Christ.

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39)

This is undeniable proof that God inspired the writing of the prophecies in the Bible.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Haha! I dont think you see my point at all, oh well.

Point?

That you don't believe in God? Yes, you said that already. It's getting rather tedious.

[science is wrong!]

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You are a stupid atheist!!!!!!! GTFO! You aren't welcome on a CHRISTIAN site, go to some lying site about Darwin!