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[Tzieth]

Hello Everyone..

I grew up Southern Baptist. I am originally from Texas but now reside in Washington.(State, not D.C.) I am a hardcore conservative, but no longer claim "Republican" as I feel that party has no intention of applying the philosophy they claim. Actually if there was a "Confederate Party" that would be the party I would claim. (Each State is it's own sovereign nation.)

I am getting the feeling that there must be a distinction between Southern Baptist and Baptist because in reading many of these posts I am seeing a lot of bigotry and racism in my opinion. I see justification of racisim with Old Testament verses. You guys do realize that by that standard YOU are also the target right? That covenant was between God and the Jews. Jesus changed it to accept gentiles much later.

I also must admit that I found it a little appalling that some posters with the title of "Pastor" were telling Catholics that they were going to hell. That is not your call to make and while you were throwing out scripture, I could not help but to notice Matthew 7:1-5 did not seem to be an option for you.

(That is between you and God... I will adhere to Matthew 7)

As for Catholics, I will say this.. When I was in the Army, If you were Christian, you only had two choices of Chaplin. Catholic and protestant/other. I learned real quick that Catholic was fundamentally no different than Baptist (Or Southern Baptist at least.) when you drop the "Mary mother of God" thing as well as the ritual. The "Protestant" chaplains were all into that speaking in tongues and prophet stuff.

My background is in Law Enforcement and because of the fact that I am a little skeptical of your churches views (As they seem to borderline on White-supremacist-extremest) I will keep my identity to my self for now. I am not here to judge your beliefs nor argue, but I need to cover my rear.

Though I grew up Southern Baptist (Saved and Baptized at the age of 8 then rededicated at 16.) My views have diverted from traditional Southern Baptist belief due to a life changing event in my life that lead to me reading the Bible with my own eyes for the first time and without the shackles of denomination. In my own opinion things seemed cut-n-dry without some guy standing at a pulpit stressing his own philosophy upon me. This is when it dawned on me as to why I was Southern Baptist and why Muslims were Muslim, Catholics were catholic and so on... "Because our Parents were." So I am still very much a Christian, but I do not claim a denomination. (I am not "Non-Denominational either because those are Pentecostals)

Basically something happened to me in which I got down on my knees and asked God to reveal something to me and he did so with flying colors. It was as if a blindfold was removed from my eyes. This is why my views are what they are.

Anyway that's my introduction

[James Hutchins]

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Hello Everyone..

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Friend, it is not about you. Stop being such a self centered greedy bastard. It is about the Love of God©.

catlicks are not Christians and anyone who is not a Christian, is destined for eternal misery in Hell. Not our rules, they are Gods. If you do not like them, complain to Him.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I am getting the feeling that there must be a distinction between Southern Baptist and Baptist

We are Independent Baptist - obeying God's Word, not some compromise with lieberals for the sake of "keeping things nice."

For all I'm concerned, you might as well be UU

because in reading many of these posts I am seeing a lot of bigotry and racism in my opinion. I see justification of racisim with Old Testament verses. You guys do realize that by that standard YOU are also the target right? That covenant was between God and the Jews. Jesus changed it to accept gentiles much later.

You have some strange ideas. Jesus said

M't:15:24: But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If you're going to come here to worship and praise, at least do your homework and at least try "appear" to be someone who has read a Bible.

However, continuing with the theology, God inspired Paul to add:

Ga:3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

The problem of course is that, like you, most people aren't "in Christ Jesus."

I also must admit that I found it a little appalling that some posters with the title of "Pastor" were telling Catholics that they were going to hell. That is not your call to make

You are weird! Of course it is our call! If you see someone sinning, you tell them top stop and repent, otherwise they will go to hell. How can that not be a Christian Duty?

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1st Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1st Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?.


Look, sinner, just read a Bible, would you?

and while you were throwing out scripture, I could not help but to notice Matthew 7:1-5 did not seem to be an option for you.

The True CHristian has no mote in his eye. That verse has been heeded and we have removed the mote. Those verses tell you to remove the mote... get it?

I learned real quick that Catholic was fundamentally no different than Baptist (Or Southern Baptist at least.)

And that is why Southern Baptists are not Christians.

My background is in Law Enforcement

So is ours - we enforce God's Law. Did you never tell anyone, "Do that again and you will go to Jail?" Yes, of course you did. Now see how we can say, "Do that once more and you'll go to hell."?

This is when it dawned on me as to why I was Southern Baptist and why Muslims were Muslim, Catholics were catholic and so on... "Because our Parents were."

This is why we oppose pedobaptism - when you grow up and learn about Jesus, that is the time to accept Him. You chose Jesus but then substituted your own thoughts. Catlix and Muslims just don't accept Him.

Anyway that's my introduction

Fine: not so much an introduction but a confession to Jesus that you don't really care.

You do know you're hellbound, don't you?

[Alvin Moss]

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Welcome Tzeith. Are you a Navajo Indian? Your name sounds like one that a Navajo might wear. We are friendly here and we thirst to bring the unsaved to Jesus, that they may avoid the fires of perdition.

It is good that you hail from Texas, which is favored by the Lord God, but why have you relocated to a godless land full of communists? You have gone to a place where Christian policemen can't beat homosexuals, Democrats or other unsaved wretches without falling afoul of the Devil's people, who are in charge there. Your own attitudes and beliefs, steeped in godly traditions, have clearly gone awry and you are in danger of becoming a full yankee. That is tantamount to Hell on Earth.

You have begun to doubt the Lord. That may be a sin you have indulged in for some time now, judging from your comments. You seem infused with West Coast homosexual and liberal thought. The "it's all cool" attitude is one that would lead to the beating and incarceration by his fellow officers of any policeman who made that kind of admission in Texas. You have fallen far from your roots and from God.

Come ye then to Jesus. Know His true word and repent your sinful life. Seek congress with other Christians, as the Lord commands, and throw off your "live and let live" attitude, as that is the Devil's work. We are here to provide assistance in your struggle with Satan. We have never failed yet to thwart the Devil in a case like this if the afflicted will cooperate and allow Jesus into His life.

The Lord God does not want you to go to Hell, but it stands ready to receive you if that is necessary. There is always plenty of room at that inn.

[Tzieth]

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Pretend to read a Bible? lol I have verses forever etched into my head as I attended a private Baptist school.

I am well aware of what Jesus said and I will assume you did not fully read my post as you tried to counter what I said with exactly what I said. Old Testament was all about Jews. New Testament was "All nations".

And no that passage (Matthew 7) applies directly to Christians. Those were the words of Jesus to his own congregation thus making them "Christian". Christ was warning future Christians of the folly of the Pharisees so that they would not make the same mistakes... And yet here we are.

I was not going to go there but I might as well. If it weren't for Catholics there would be no Bible. The Holy Roman Church put the Bible together. When the Holy Roman Church Split, the Western 1/2 became the Roman Catholic Church. prior to that Christians were killing Christians as each was following the teachings of one particular apostle. There was no "Bible" at that time. Just a multitude of books and just as many Christian sects worshiping them and killing each other over their own ideology.

The council of Nicaea's main purpose was stability. Christianity was now the official religion of the Roman Empire and most violence at the time was Christian vs Christian. It was THEY who decided which book would be cannon and which would be excluded.

But hey.. You can justify your bigotry all you like but facts are facts

[Alvin Moss]

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Yes, facts are facts, but you seem to have a pretty poor grasp of them.

May the Lord God lead you to Jesus. I will pray for you, that you may avoid Hell.

God Bless!

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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Hello Everyone..

I grew up Southern Baptist. I am originally from Texas but now reside in Washington.(State, not D.C.) I am a hardcore conservative, but no longer claim "Republican" as I feel that party has no intention of applying the philosophy they claim. Actually if there was a "Confederate Party" that would be the party I would claim. (Each State is it's own sovereign nation.)

I am getting the feeling that there must be a distinction between Southern Baptist and Baptist because in reading many of these posts I am seeing a lot of bigotry and racism in my opinion. I see justification of racisim with Old Testament verses. You guys do realize that by that standard YOU are also the target right? That covenant was between God and the Jews. Jesus changed it to accept gentiles much later.

I also must admit that I found it a little appalling that some posters with the title of "Pastor" were telling Catholics that they were going to hell. That is not your call to make and while you were throwing out scripture, I could not help but to notice Matthew 7:1-5 did not seem to be an option for you.

(That is between you and God... I will adhere to Matthew 7)

As for Catholics, I will say this.. When I was in the Army, If you were Christian, you only had two choices of Chaplin. Catholic and protestant/other. I learned real quick that Catholic was fundamentally no different than Baptist (Or Southern Baptist at least.) when you drop the "Mary mother of God" thing as well as the ritual. The "Protestant" chaplains were all into that speaking in tongues and prophet stuff.

My background is in Law Enforcement and because of the fact that I am a little skeptical of your churches views (As they seem to borderline on White-supremacist-extremest) I will keep my identity to my self for now. I am not here to judge your beliefs nor argue, but I need to cover my rear.

Though I grew up Southern Baptist (Saved and Baptized at the age of 8 then rededicated at 16.) My views have diverted from traditional Southern Baptist belief due to a life changing event in my life that lead to me reading the Bible with my own eyes for the first time and without the shackles of denomination. In my own opinion things seemed cut-n-dry without some guy standing at a pulpit stressing his own philosophy upon me. This is when it dawned on me as to why I was Southern Baptist and why Muslims were Muslim, Catholics were catholic and so on... "Because our Parents were." So I am still very much a Christian, but I do not claim a denomination. (I am not "Non-Denominational either because those are Pentecostals)

Basically something happened to me in which I got down on my knees and asked God to reveal something to me and he did so with flying colors. It was as if a blindfold was removed from my eyes. This is why my views are what they are.

Anyway that's my introduction

Those are some strong opinions. Sounds like you came here to exalt yourself rather than Jesus Christ or the Scriptures. The only Bible verses you referred to you used incorrectly.

You apparently don't realize that Jesus was saying it's ok to go beam-hunting as long as you've gone mote-hunting first. He was calling out the Pharisees for hypocritical judgment, not saying that no one could ever judge (otherwise, how could anyone have ever kept the Law?). Had Jesus said that, the Bible would be contradictory...

John 7:24: Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgment.

And the blueprints for judgment have already been laid down...

John 12:48: He that rejecteth me and receiveth not my words hath one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

So, we can judge so long as we judge righteously.

But the irony of this is that you came here accusing us of being bigoted, hateful white supremacists who don't follow God correctly, and yet you quoted God incorrectly and went on to do the very thing you accuse us of--judging wrongly.

It is you who are out of line. So preach to yourself before you preach to us as you quoted Jesus instructing us to do!

Pastor Ed

[Tzieth]

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Welcome Tzeith. Are you a Navajo Indian? Your name sounds like one that a Navajo might wear. We are friendly here and we thirst to bring the unsaved to Jesus, that they may avoid the fires of perdition.

It is good that you hail from Texas, which is favored by the Lord God, but why have you relocated to a godless land full of communists? You have gone to a place where Christian policemen can't beat homosexuals, Democrats or other unsaved wretches without falling afoul of the Devil's people, who are in charge there. Your own attitudes and beliefs, steeped in godly traditions, have clearly gone awry and you are in danger of becoming a full yankee. That is tantamount to Hell on Earth.

You have begun to doubt the Lord. That may be a sin you have indulged in for some time now, judging from your comments. You seem infused with West Coast homosexual and liberal thought. The "it's all cool" attitude is one that would lead to the beating and incarceration by his fellow officers of any policeman who made that kind of admission in Texas. You have fallen far from your roots and from God.

Come ye then to Jesus. Know His true word and repent your sinful life. Seek congress with other Christians, as the Lord commands, and throw off your "live and let live" attitude, as that is the Devil's work. We are here to provide assistance in your struggle with Satan. We have never failed yet to thwart the Devil in a case like this if the afflicted will cooperate and allow Jesus into His life.

The Lord God does not want you to go to Hell, but it stands ready to receive you if that is necessary. There is always plenty of room at that inn.

NEVER!!! lol You can take the Texan out of Texas but not Texas out of the Texan

I moved here because out of all the places I was stationed, I loved Washington State the most. Yeah, there are a lot of Commie Libtards here but the beauty of it all is that you don't have to see any of them as most of them just stick to the cities. I will say that they arn't quite as bad as they were back when I was Stationed at Ft.Lewis. Obama has them a bit disillusioned and leaning conservative.

[Alvin Moss]

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You should start your reawakening with the understanding that while the Council of Nicaea was in fact all about stability, it was all about the stability of the whore of Rome.

The Romans, them that you praise for providing the Word of God (oh. let me up), are the same who crucified the Lord up on Golgotha and then had the gall to steal his coming to start up some kind of a cult that they run to this day. They have the affrontery to call themselves Christians, when they are actually running a business that has more franchises than Starbucks.

The Word of God was given to us by the work of the Lord God Almighty Himself!

One silver lining to the dark cloud of the Devil's pepole who have taken the West Coast as their own is that they have disarmed the policemen. They want them to be civilized and peaceful, like English policemen. They are also very "gay friendly". That means they tolerate homosexuals.

We already know you are a Navajo policeman who moved away from Texas. Are you homosexual as well? Is some kind of inappropriate behavior the life altering experience you speak of? That would explain why a policeman from Texas would ever want to move to the godless West Coast.

God have mercy on your soul.

[Tzieth]

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Those are some strong opinions. Sounds like you came here to exalt yourself rather than Jesus Christ or the Scriptures. The only Bible verses you referred to you used incorrectly.

You apparently don't realize that Jesus was saying it's ok to go beam-hunting as long as you've gone mote-hunting first. He was calling out the Pharisees for hypocritical judgment, not saying that no one could ever judge (otherwise, how could anyone have ever kept the Law?). Had Jesus said that, the Bible would be contradictory...

John 7:24: Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgment.

And the blueprints for judgment have already been laid down...

John 12:48: He that rejecteth me and receiveth not my words hath one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

So, we can judge so long as we judge righteously.

But the irony of this is that you came here accusing us of being bigoted, hateful white supremacists who don't follow God correctly, and yet you quoted God incorrectly and went on to do the very thing you accuse us of--judging wrongly.

It is you who are out of line. So preach to yourself before you preach to us as you quoted Jesus instructing us to do!

Pastor Ed

I thank you for the manner in which you addressed my post. It shown class and tact.

The Bible is full of contradictions and it only adds to the authenticity for me.(Each account of Jesus by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John differ just as eyewitness testimony differs today.) But to me Matthew 7 could not be anymore cut and dry. We are not God, thus we have no right to Judge others. We are human and by our own folly were made imperfect. We will forever have the splinter in our eye. It goes back to "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."(John 8:7) and Luke 6:37... These things all seem to point to the same theme. "It is not our right to Judge"

If I came across as "Preaching" I apologize. In the introductory, I was simply stating my standpoint so that there is no confusion in future posts. Basically so I would not have to write in protest of posts I have seen on here that I deem as Bigoted, racist, or overly sexist. (Such as the one about women who are raped deserved it.)

I am nowhere near perfect and it was not my intent to exalt my self in any way. But I do see how my wording could have been a bit better.. Thank you, Pastor Ed

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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Did I just walk into a huge joke?

No, but I did.

Pretend to read a Bible? lol I have verses forever etched into my head as I attended a private Baptist school.

Wow, aren't we humble.

I am well aware of what Jesus said and I will assume you did not fully read my post as you tried to counter what I said with exactly what I said. Old Testament was all about Jews. New Testament was "All nations".

Haggai 2:7: And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

Isaiah 11:10: And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

And no that passage (Matthew 7) applies directly to Christians. Those were the words of Jesus to his own congregation thus making them "Christian". Christ was warning future Christians of the folly of the Pharisees so that they would not make the same mistakes... And yet here we are.

Many Words and all principles of the Bible apply to believers today, but they are not immediately who is being addressed in the text. You have to ask yourself who is speaking and who is being spoken to, and why? Christ was warning His chosen of the Pharisees (notice how when you take ALL of the Bible together, the pieces fit)...

Matthew 23:1-3: 1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Do you think that when God told Noah to build an ark that He was talking to you? How about when Jesus told Zacchaeus to "come down"? Was He addressing you? Please try to work on your exegesis skills a little. They suck.

I was not going to go there but I might as well. If it weren't for Catholics there would be no Bible. The Holy Roman Church put the Bible together. When the Holy Roman Church Split, the Western 1/2 became the Roman Catholic Church. prior to that Christians were killing Christians as each was following the teachings of one particular apostle. There was no "Bible" at that time. Just a multitude of books and just as many Christian sects worshiping them and killing each other over their own ideology.

I'll buy you a new Mercedes if you can prove that statement, friend. A counsel meeting in the 4th century by some pasta-slurpers who are credited for canonizing the Bible doesn't mean they had a thing to do with creating its contents, or even with making it popular and accepted. It is a widely known fact that every Word of the Bible was recorded in the letters and statements of many writers and "church fathers" of the time and before, so that God's Book could be fully recreated even before a single completed copy was ever printed. God is in charge and could see to it that His Word remained spoken and written ever since it was orally delivered by Jesus and the Apostles themselves (see Matthew 16:18; Daniel 2:44)...

Psalm 12:6-7: The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Are you so faithless that you think God has to have some council of idol worshipping boy-violators in the 4th century to preserve His Word??

But hey.. You can justify your bigotry all you like but facts are facts

Well, I see we've met our quota for stupid today.

Pastor Ed

[Tzieth]

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You should start your reawakening with the understanding that while the Council of Nicaea was in fact all about stability, it was all about the stability of the whore of Rome.

The Romans, them that you praise for providing the Word of God (oh. let me up), are the same who crucified the Lord up on Golgotha and then had the gall to steal his coming to start up some kind of a cult that they run to this day. They have the affrontery to call themselves Christians, when they are actually running a business that has more franchises than Starbucks.

The Word of God was given to us by the work of the Lord God Almighty Himself!

One silver lining to the dark cloud of the Devil's pepole who have taken the West Coast as their own is that they have disarmed the policemen. They want them to be civilized and peaceful, like English policemen. They are also very "gay friendly". That means they tolerate homosexuals.

We already know you are a Navajo policeman who moved away from Texas. Are you homosexual as well? Is some kind of inappropriate behavior the life altering experience you speak of? That would explain why a policeman from Texas would ever want to move to the godless West Coast.

God have mercy on your soul.

I am fully aware of that Alvin. But in stating that part would be opening a can of worms so I purposely left a bunch of things out. If I was to state everything about how the Bible was put together?

As for your other questions...
I am not gay and not Navajo. The Bible is clear about homosexuality and though many sins were stated, only homosexuality was called "detestable to the eyes of the Lord".

However yelling about how much you hate gays is not going to do anything but give Libtards ammunition against you as a "Hate monger". While the problem escalates. The Libtards control the mass media and will fully use this against you to make the point that you are an "ignorant redneck" while they set up their next debauchery. Gay's can marry here now and while that honestly makes me sick, EVERY state is allowing gays to adopt children and that is far worse.

The only way to fight this is to eradicate it from the inside out politically. Or outright civil war... I moved here before the gay marriage crap, I will be damned if I am going to let them push me out.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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But to me Matthew 7 could not be anymore cut and dry. We are not God, thus we have no right to Judge others. We are human and by our own folly were made imperfect. We will forever have the splinter in our eye. It goes back to "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."(John 8:7) and Luke 6:37... These things all seem to point to the same theme. "It is not our right to Judge"

This doesn't mean Jesus opposed judgment. Jesus was giving instruction on how to properly execute adulterers.

According to the Law of Moses, the one who found the guilty parties had to cast the first stone and both had to die (see Deut. 17:6-7; 22:22). They were tempting Jesus, which is why only the woman was found taken in adultery. Jesus was calling them out: If this woman is going to die, "let him who is without sin cast a stone at her first." Jesus (and then they) were not willing to go through with the stoning because the Law could not be kept. If she was taken "in the very act" of adultery as stated in John 8:4, then where was the man?

Pastor Ed

[Zechariah Smyth]

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When I was in the Army, If you were Christian, you only had two choices of Chaplin.

[TheIrishGrimm]

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Beat me to it.