Catholics ARE Christians (aka: My Retarded Fallacy)

[Shadow Fox]

I came here to yell at you idiots for your shallow and uneducated ways.

No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy: An appeal for purity.

Translation: To dismiss something as being something, just because it does not comply 100% to what you are comparing it too.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

Christianity: Noun: Any religion that follows the teachings or worship of Jesus Christ as a savior or messiah.

Fact: There are over 30,000 Different "sects" of Christianity around the world. All of them can be found somewhere in the United States.


So, as we can clearly see. Your Ignorance and clear use of Logical fallacy for your own "sect" of Christianity is misguided. This is one of the fallacies that upsets me most about you theists, as it is one of the biggest detriments to your cause. It discredits and weakens your theistic arguments down to a watered down puddle that can easily be dismissed at a drop of a hat.

The funny thing is, there are roughly 29.999 Sects of Christianity that are 100% that every single one of you in this forum that calls themselves a Christian is going to Hell because you in turn are not a real Christian.

So, what I have to ask is. When is the no true scottsman fallacy going to stop with you people?

You DO realize that Catholics and Orthodoxy is the two biggest "sects" of Christianity right? This is indisputable and has been known for a very long time. Even many of the other sects of Christians are starting to slowly gravitate towards this idea.


Anyway, I am Shadow Fox. I am an Kopimist, an Atheist and I do not allow Logical fallacies.

[Shadow Fox]

Re: Catholics ARE Christians (NTS Fallacy)

OH! and while I am at it...

I am going to be yelling at your RACISM and HOMOPHOBIC attitude towards people as well.

No BLACKS?!! What the hell is this? The 1920's? Your Racist and homophobic beliefs are going to be placed under fire as well.

OH, not to mention.

Unsaved...what is that word?


"trash?"

Oh...yeah...THAT is a good way to welcome new members.

We will have a LOT to discuss about You and I!

[Attila's Wife]

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I came here to yell at you idiots......

As I am not here to be yelled at, I read no further.

Have you read this thread yet?

Or this one?

How about this?

I thought not.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Catholics ARE Christians (NTS Fallacy)

I...This is one of the fallacies that upsets me most about you theists, as it is one of the biggest detriments to your cause. It discredits and weakens your theistic arguments down to a watered down puddle that can easily be dismissed at a drop of a hat.

Thank you for exemplifying us how fallacies are used. Here you have the fallacist's fallacy. The Bible (and consequently our views) is correct regardless of the manner how they are presented. A statement is not wrong even if it is presented in a manner that is not pleasing to you. You also combine this with an ad ridiculum fallacy ("watered down puddle"). This significantly weakens the impact of your opening post. God is God irrespective of the argumentation.

The funny thing is, there are roughly 29.999 Sects of Christianity that are 100% that every single one of you in this forum that calls themselves a Christian is going to Hell because you in turn are not a real Christian.

Again, an ad ridiculum combined with ad populum (see below).

You DO realize that Catholics and Orthodoxy is the two biggest "sects" of Christianity right? This is indisputable and has been known for a very long time. Even many of the other sects of Christians are starting to slowly gravitate towards this idea.

How nice to give us yet another example of a fallacy. This is the ad populum (two biggest "sects"), appeal to numbers! You know, the truth value of something is not determined by a popular vote (as we well know here). And, to follow, you give us an appeal to authority combined with ad populum (appeal to unnamed autorities in "many other sects").

You know, we do accept an authority, appeal to it and work within that framework. The authority is of course the Bible, which you do not apparently share. Still, you probably understand that logic has some axiomatic start points upon which discussion is built upon. Here it is the Bible. Geometry has its own axioms, etc.

Attacking an opponents manner of representation instead of ANY discussion on the actual issues is irrelevant. Basically, your whole post is an ad hominem as it does not discuss our views at all. Only our characteristics.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I came here....

Well that's nice! Welcome to our friendly forums! So what church do you go to? What is your favorite Bible verse? How did Jesus woo you from the world of sin to a world of spiritual wonder?

[ExGay Alex]

Re: Catholics ARE Christians (NTS Fallacy)

I came here to yell at you idiots for your shallow and uneducated ways.

No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy: An appeal for purity.

Translation: To dismiss something as being something, just because it does not comply 100% to what you are comparing it too.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

Christianity: Noun: Any religion that follows the teachings or worship of Jesus Christ as a savior or messiah.

Fact: There are over 30,000 Different "sects" of Christianity around the world. All of them can be found somewhere in the United States.


So, as we can clearly see. Your Ignorance and clear use of Logical fallacy for your own "sect" of Christianity is misguided. This is one of the fallacies that upsets me most about you theists, as it is one of the biggest detriments to your cause. It discredits and weakens your theistic arguments down to a watered down puddle that can easily be dismissed at a drop of a hat.

The funny thing is, there are roughly 29.999 Sects of Christianity that are 100% that every single one of you in this forum that calls themselves a Christian is going to Hell because you in turn are not a real Christian.

So, what I have to ask is. When is the no true scottsman fallacy going to stop with you people?

You DO realize that Catholics and Orthodoxy is the two biggest "sects" of Christianity right? This is indisputable and has been known for a very long time. Even many of the other sects of Christians are starting to slowly gravitate towards this idea.


Anyway, I am Shadow Fox. I am an Kopimist, an Atheist and I do not allow Logical fallacies.

My, my, my.

1. Yell all you want. You'll need the practice when you are being sodomized by demons for eternity.

2. You do not allow logical fallacies, nor do you allow spellcheck and the application of the rules for capitalization of proper nouns, or the consistent use of lower case for adjectives.

3. There may be 30,000 Christian sects, but of these 29,999 are false and the True Christians are here. We are 100% Biblically correct, and sin-free (read 1 John 3:9). That Catholics are not Christians is a well proven proposition and the appropriate links have been provided by my Christian brethren. Kindly read them and note the lack of logical fallacies therein.

4. We do not allow racism on the forum. All of the lesser races are free to join our forum as equals in their praise of Jesus. Nor do we hate gaysexuals; it is God who has an issue with them. It is out of Christian love and concern for the gayfags that we minister to them and try to save their immortal souls.

5. As I do for the gayfags, I am also praying for you, due to your being fairly certainly Hell-bound.

6. Kopimism is nothing more than a poor excuse to advocate the systematic violation of long-established laws protecting intellectual property. There are reasons for these laws, namely, to encourage creative innovation and to protect the rights of authors. Kopimists are selfish, arrogant and too stupid to come up with anything original. Accordingly, they resort to parasitism dressed up as some BS "philosophy" to justify their intellectual vacuity.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Catholics ARE Christians (NTS Fallacy)

What the hell is this? The 1920's? Your Racist and homophobic beliefs are going to be placed under fire as well.

OH, not to mention.
Unsaved...what is that word?
"trash?"
Oh...yeah...THAT is a good way to welcome new members.
We will have a LOT to discuss about You and I!

Thank you, Mr. Fox once again. Here we can see the further use of fallacies.
- Ad hominem, accusing us for racism and being outdated (instead of discussing the actual issues in the proper threads where they are presented).
- Equivocation, attacking the uses of the words "unsaved" and "trash" within your framework that is not religious/spiritual (it is clearly stated that this is not a debate Forum but a place were like-minded Christians worship - the words are to be understood within that context).
- Ad ridiculum, once again, with the sarcastic "Oh... yeah...".
- Ad misericordiam, appeal to pity by being sorry for the way you are treated when you come to these Forums uninvited (the truth is the truth even if you feel upset).
- Ad baculum, appeal to fear or making light threats: ("a LOT to discuss...").

Still, no actual issues are debated. Maybe there could be a lot to discuss but this is not discussion. You're only making assertions. Waste of time.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Shadow Fox]

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wow...the shear stupidity of you people. I feel so sorry for you all. I am gonna have my work cut out for me educating you lot.

[ExGay Alex]

Re: Catholics ARE Christians (NTS Fallacy)

wow...the shear stupidity of you people. I feel so sorry for you all. I am gonna have my work cut out for me educating you lot.

Why are you so mean? We have been nothing but nice to you here.


We are here to praise Jesus. Tell us how Christ has helped you on your Christian walk. Otherwise, f off.

[Attila's Wife]

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Brother Elmer, are there no proper American words for all those types of arguments? Because I don't speak Roman. Not all of us have a classical education and when I saw ad baculum I thought it must have something to do with camels.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Catholics ARE Christians (NTS Fallacy)

No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy: An appeal for purity.

Translation: To dismiss something as being something, just because it does not comply 100% to what you are comparing it too.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

Christianity: Noun: Any religion that follows the teachings or worship of Jesus Christ as a savior or messiah.

The true definition of Christian can be pieced together from passages scattered all across the Bible. For example, a Christian keeps God's commandments perfectly. A Christian believes in Jesus and is baptised (Mk 16:16). A Christian calls on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21). Jesus told us how to spot a True Christian™ from someone just pretending to keep God's commandments, believe in Jesus, get baptised, and call on the name of the Lord.

Mat 7:15-18
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

We know a True Christian™ by his fruit, his deeds, by what see.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Catholics ARE Christians (NTS Fallacy)

wow...the shear stupidity of you people. I feel so sorry for you all. I am gonna have my work cut out for me educating you lot.

Hello, once more...

I'm sorry but your output is deteriorating. The fallacies accummulate at an alarming rate.

"Stupidity" - ad hominem once more.
"Sorry" - ad misericordiam
"I... educating you lot" - appeal to authority (your own authority as the more knowledgeable).

I suggest you study the source material, the Bible (the KJV) as it is THE authority that is axiomatic HERE if you wish to affect our views. Secondly, it would be nice if you concentrated on the actual issues. Looking forward to that. You know, we are not afraid of rational discussion if we encounter it.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Elmer G. White]

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Brother Elmer, are there no proper American words for all those types of arguments? Because I don't speak Roman. Not all of us have a classical education and when I saw ad baculum I thought it must have something to do with camels.

I'm so sorry, Sister Mrs. Attila, but the secular world (of which I presume this aspiring logician is part of) has grown accustomed to the Roman words.... I tried to provide the translations as logical argumentation is not at all unknown to Christians, albeit the terminology can be confusing. I'll try to remember this if there's further communication about these issues. For instance, ad hominem is "appeal to person", and I'm afraid we're going to see the indirect form of this fallacy in the future, as well...

Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Shadow Fox]

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Hello, once more...

I'm sorry but your output is deteriorating. The fallacies accummulate at an alarming rate.

"Stupidity" - ad hominem once more.
"Sorry" - ad misericordiam
"I... educating you lot" - appeal to authority (your own authority as the more knowledgeable).

I suggest you study the source material, the Bible (the KJV) as it is THE authority that is axiomatic HERE if you wish to affect our views. Secondly, it would be nice if you concentrated on the actual issues. Looking forward to that. You know, we are not afraid of rational discussion if we encounter it.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

You, DO realize that you are just making up fallacies now...right?

Do you even understand what a fallacy actually is? Apparently not. You are arguing from Ignorance right now. Which is something I see quite commonly in the theistic community.

[Didymus Much]

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You, DO realize that you are just making up fallacies now...right?...

Wrong. Everything Mr. White has detailed concurs with this page (read it and learn something): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

...Do you even understand what a fallacy actually is?...

Better than you do, apparently.