I need references.

[AlexAlmighty]

Please note that I'm looking for answers, not trouble.

Now, I scanned these forums and this website, but all I've seen are not words trying to call people to god, but words of hate that establish fear and causes more people to hate each other. I honestly see no "Love thy neighbor as thyself" or anything like it. Now, I now some of you are considering me "Unsaved Trash", but I would like to ask you people to find me references from the bible to see if you can answer my questions. Having a pastor post would be most appreciated.

Lets start with Homosexuality.

Please note that I am not gay. I do not support nor detest it.

Now, I've seen plenty of hate threads regarding the acts of homosexuality. Now, I understand why you would hate it, but to say that it is a despicable sin and those who partake in it are eternally damned? I did some research over this topic and I found no such verse saying homosexuality is wrong except for Leviticus 18: 22, which says that it is detestable. During the times after Exodus and onward, if men were caught or discovered that they partook in the act of sexual intercourse with another man, that person would be exiled from their village or town, not put to death. This lasted on in many early European countries, countries that followed the Jewish law and even in early American history during the 1600's, which was the same time that other branches of the Christian Church came to be, such as the Quakers, Presbyterians and even you, the Baptist. Of course, even after the U.S. constitution was written, people would discriminate against homosexuals and even people of other races. The only thing worse than homosexuality and other "major sins", was not keeping kosher. Leviticus 17:1-16 states that consuming blood from an unclean beast in considered to be a sin worthy of a mortal death (stoning). Even some early American colonies stoned some who didn't keep kosher. But today in modern day society, people eat non-kosher things all the time. A lot of Christians believe that God stated that they were unclean because people didn't have the technology to protect themselves from unpasteurized foods today. This includes many branches of the Baptist Church. I'm not one to take the bible as a whole. I don't acknowledge the verses about keeping kosher, even if it's in the same bible, and I know a lot of you baptists don't either. But you think that committing a sin worthy of death is just fine, but committing a sin worthy of exile is horrendous? Christian scientists, and I mean CHRISTAIN SCIENTISTS have discovered an odd genetic formation in the human gene that affects the brains development, which could mean that a genetic defect could cause homosexuality. If you say that all homosexuals go to Hell, even though God created them that way, you mean that God creates people just to go to Hell? Our God is a god of love, mercy and grace. Though he is a god of jealousy and wrath, he is still a loving god.

I would like a verse from the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible that says why homosexuality is a damnable sin.

My next topic is judgment.

Why is it that you people feel the need to judge others? God gave you the power to spread his word across the world (Acts1:7-8). Instead of trying to convert people of other religions, you say that they are living a sinful life and use them as tools to raise yourself above others. Jesus uses the plank and the sawdust as a way of telling people to not judge, for you will be judge with the same measurements as you measured the other person in Matthew 7:1-6. This links over to the last topic. Since when did God give us the right to judge other people and give them the verdict of who goes to Heaven and who goes toHell?

I would like a verse from the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible that says why we should judge others.

My next topic is about other Doctrines of Christianity and Race.

Your church likes to say that people who worship in a different doctrine basically worship the devil. This is the most confusing for me. Other doctrines of Christianity such as Lutheranism found a verse that gave them the freedom to worship God in anyway they wanted to. Most people think that if you accept the truth that Jesus died for your sins, you will be accepted in to heaven. So why is it that you make fun of other races and doctrines by saying they worship the devil? I cannot find a verse in the bible that says that Africans will not be accepted into Heaven, nor can I find one for Irish people, Arabian or Hispanic.

I would like a verse from the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible that says why people of other Christian Doctrines are worshiping the devil and why people of other races will go to hell.

That is all I have to ask. I will check for replies tommarrow.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: I need references.

I would like a verse from the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible that says why people of other Christian Doctrines are worshiping the devil and why people of other races will go to hell.

Friend,

We TRUE Christians(tm) only deal with the KJV1611. We hold it it is the one TRUE word of God and the NIV is an utterly false Bible created by Satan. We TRUE Christians(tm) will have no truck with the NIV.

Obviously we can not answer your questions friend.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I need references.

You don't understand what you've read in the Holy Bible because your father is satan.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[AlexAlmighty]

Re: I need references.

"Friend,

We TRUE Christians™ only deal with the KJV1611. We hold it it is the one TRUE word of God and the NIV is an utterly false Bible created by Satan. We TRUE Christians™ will have no truck with the NIV.

Obviously we can not answer your questions friend."

That's a pretty heavy stamement. Alright, may you please post the references from the KJV1611 for my questions and also explain to me why you think that other doctrines of Christianity worship Satan? Is it because of the fact that they worship a different translation of the bible? What makes the NIV satanic? Please explain why.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I need references.

"Friend,

We TRUE Christians™ only deal with the KJV1611. We hold it it is the one TRUE word of God and the NIV is an utterly false Bible created by Satan. We TRUE Christians™ will have no truck with the NIV.

Obviously we can not answer your questions friend."

That's a pretty heavy stamement. Alright, may you please post the references from the KJV1611 for my questions and also explain to me why you think that other doctrines of Christianity worship Satan? Is it because of the fact that they worship a different translation of the bible? What makes the NIV satanic? Please explain why.

No problem. Everything you need to know can be found in THIS thread.

[Don the Baptist]

Re: I need references.

1. Lets start with Homosexuality.


2. I would like a verse from the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible that says why homosexuality is a damnable sin.

You might check for replies a lot sooner than tommorrow pal, you will have a boatload in about an hour. You are by no means the first unregenerate reprobate queer lover to come here and level this challenge and I fear that you shall not be the last just given the depth of depravity among people like you.

1. No Thanks buddy I am not queer you will have to start without me.
2. Fat chance of finding anything in the "New Internation PerVersion" that says queerism is wrong, the NIVites regularly enjoy and promote homerism.

Here is my best effort fag (Baby Jesus Forgive Me), please turn with me in your (NIV) with me to Romans 1.26-27:

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

That due penalty part is AIDS.

[AlexAlmighty]

Re: I need references.

You might check for replies a lot sooner than tommorrow pal, you will have a boatload in about an hour. You are by no means the first unregenerate reprobate queer lover to come here and level this challenge and I fear that you shall not be the last just given the depth of depravity among people like you.

1. No Thanks buddy I am not queer you will have to start without me.
2. Fat chance of finding anything in the "New Internation PerVersion" that says queerism is wrong, the NIVites regularly enjoy and promote homerism.

Here is my best effort fag (Baby Jesus Forgive Me), please turn with me in your (NIV) with me to Romans 1.26-27:

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

That due penalty part is AIDS.

To Don the baptist
Ah, I see that you obviously have no respect to other people but you and your kind Don. I'm sorry I couldn't reply any faster up until now due to my job I have so I can support my family and other people who I care about, and unfortunately I don't enjoy talking to the inferior like yourself. Just because I don't support nor detest the gays, doesn't mean I am a gay, a dyke, fag, homo, queer, or whatever you like to call them. It just means that I try to be more social and I try not to create hate with one another, unlike you who feels the need to insult them even after their punishment. Sorry you have to feel that way. Oh, and the funny thing about your translation and mine is that in both situations, the men and woman sold the truth for the lie, and so GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO SINFUL LUST. In that sense, if you think logically, God let the gay sex occur and he gave them the AIDS virus. So in a way, you could say that God invented gays and AIDS. I'll let you do application questions on your own, and you will find shocking results, but of course, your occupation is a woodpulp cutter so I doubt you have the thinking power to manage such a hard question and because of your inferiority, this will be my last post so God can spare me from the idiocy that you spread constantly, which in my opinion is spreading faster and is killing the populous faster than your AIDS.

Other than that....Thank you Pastor Ezekiel and Pastor Bobby-Joe. With some of the information you supplied me with, I can some-what understand what grounds you think on (not that I absolutely agree with them but if you believe that I'm going to hell for it, that's fine; you have your doctrine and I have mine), although there are still many questions I have unanswered. Thanks for your information.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: I need references.

Well, now we've answered your questions, I've got one of my own: why do you claim to be Almighty? Seems pretty blasphemous to me.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: I need references.

You probably will have trouble finding references in the blasphemous NIV. The wicked translators of that "Bible" deleted or purposefully mistranslated everything they didn't like.

I have a good example. Acts 8:37 is a very important verse. It proves the doctrine of believer's baptism. The NIV translators believed in infant baptism, so they just deleted that verse. Tell me what Acts 8:37 says in your NIV.

Since when did God give us the right to judge other people and give them the verdict of who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell?

Your thinking is so backwards here it's hard to know where to begin to try to correct you.

• We all know that God is the one who gives the verdict of who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell. No one here has ever claimed otherwise.
• The Bible tells us how to be saved, and how to be assured of salvation. If you are saved, then you know you are going to Heaven -- no judgment required.
• If you are not saved, then you know you are going to Hell -- again, no judgment required.
• The Bible tells us how to recognize someone who isn't saved. That does require judgment, and that's why the Bible commands us to judge righteous judgment, rather than hasty or rash judgment. If I couldn't use my judgment to tell whether someone is saved, my job as a pastor would be much harder -- I wouldn't know who needs the most help.
• Matthew 7:1-5 is a prohibition against hypocrisy and rash judgment, not against righteous judgment. I, for one, am thrilled to be judged as I judge others.

Friend, you need to throw away that so-called Bible and get yourself a real Bible. Read it and believe every word of it with all of your heart.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: I need references.

"Friend,

We TRUE Christians™ only deal with the KJV1611. We hold it it is the one TRUE word of God and the NIV is an utterly false Bible created by Satan. We TRUE Christians™ will have no truck with the NIV.

Obviously we can not answer your questions friend."

That's a pretty heavy stamement. Alright, may you please post the references from the KJV1611 for my questions and also explain to me why you think that other doctrines of Christianity worship Satan? Is it because of the fact that they worship a different translation of the bible? What makes the NIV satanic? Please explain why.

It is a translation based on a 6th century Greek Bible found in the trash of the My Sinai Monastery by a Russian Count and differs greatly from the text the KJV1611 is based upon. To accept the NIV is to accept God would allow His word to His creation to be lost in the trash for 1500 years.

[Don the Baptist]

Re: I need references.

To Don the baptist
Ah, I see that you obviously have no respect to other people but you and your kind Don. I'm sorry I couldn't reply any faster up until now due to my job I have so I can support my family and other people who I care about, and unfortunately I don't enjoy talking to the inferior like yourself. Just because I don't support nor detest the gays, doesn't mean I am a gay, a dyke, fag, homo, queer, or whatever you like to call them. It just means that I try to be more social and I try not to create hate with one another, unlike you who feels the need to insult them even after their punishment. Sorry you have to feel that way. Oh, and the funny thing about your translation and mine is that in both situations, the men and woman sold the truth for the lie, and so GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO SINFUL LUST. In that sense, if you think logically, God let the gay sex occur and he gave them the AIDS virus. So in a way, you could say that God invented gays and AIDS. I'll let you do application questions on your own, and you will find shocking results, but of course, your occupation is a woodpulp cutter so I doubt you have the thinking power to manage such a hard question and because of your inferiority, this will be my last post so God can spare me from the idiocy that you spread constantly, which in my opinion is spreading faster and is killing the populous faster than your AIDS.

, Gee I know not where to start, you are truly a mean, hateful person. I simply try to share the love of Christ with you and you shit all over me. I am truly hurt you queer lover.

Why call me inferior, just because you are a rump-ranger and I am not does not make the inferior one, YOU are the one that invited me to pull peckers with you in your first post you homo.

All of this gay slang just further demonstrates your hatred and vile name calling. You should get down on your knees and ask Baby Jesus to help you, you sick bastard.

Sooo, God causes men to be queer huh, it's all His fault - that is just sick. There is a name for that pathology you fag, its called escapism and it is very immature. Take responsibility for you own sickness you sissy.

What the hell is woodpulp you idiot? I cut Pulp Wood so bear that in mind every time you pass a love note to your queer boyfriend on a post-it, someone had to cut the pulpwood to make that paper you are wasting on your sick, vile homeristic love affair.

Again - you and your name calling. I'm gonna pray for you queer, Jesus loves you and He (only He) can help you and your depraved lifestyle.

Hopefully you are serious and will NOT post further hatred and hurtful comments. I have to go now and pray, I am just too upset to continue right now.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: I need references.

Homosexuality:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:13

This is a very clear and simple command from the Lord.

Note on Bibles:

The NIV, as with many other transliterations of the True Bible, has been purposefully softened so it will be more palatable for post-Enlightenment culture. Softening God's word by mis-translating it is NOT A GOOD IDEA.

God said what He meant to say. The King James is God's Word, properly transcribed with inspiration from Him.

Judgement:

Christians have possession of God's Truth. Everyone else abides in error.

It would be a horrible crime to allow those who abide in error to continue in error until they receive the ultimate horror: eternal damnation and permanent separation from God.

Therefore it is critically important to pry people away from the errors of atheism, of Buddhism, of Scientology, of Catholicism, and bring them to the True Christian faith. THE GOAL IS SALVATION OF THE ETERNAL SOUL!

As a thought experiment, imagine that you are a Spanish Christian in the year 1123. You believe that if you can get the man before you to repent his heresy and accept the True Faith he will be saved and, after death, live forever with Chirst.

Now: is it not a righteous act to burn out his eyes with a red-hot poker and thereby save his soul? For the agony and blindness is temporary, and merely of this mortal Earth, while the glory of salvation is permanent and eternal!

This, sir, is the underlying logic of the True Christian movement in America:

• Christians are superior to everyone else in wisdom and morality.
• Any means are justified if the end is salvation.
• Society must be turned from Satan's influence and brought into conformance with Christ.

This is why Christians want to use the rule of law to ban homosexuality, the first steps being to deny homosexuals rights like protection from discrimination and the right to marry. That is why Christians want Christian texts in the schools: so children will learn Christian Truth from the first, and not the secular tenets of Darwin and the moral relativity of Einstein.

In Closing:

You will very seldom hear these things said outright and honestly. Even the most, um, emphatic televangelists seldom say honestly that they want to force Christian law on everyone else. But that is the bedrock logic of Christianity:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Jesus Himself said there is no Truth but Him.

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. Isaiah 45:5,6

God said there is none else but Him.

Upon that absolutism Christianity is founded: that all other paths are error, all other ways wrong. That is bedrock. It is not acknowledged openly by most liberal Christian congregations, but it is indeed one of the unspoken truths upon which all Christianity is founded.

~~ OEJ

[AlexAlmighty]

Re: I need references.

, Gee I know not where to start, you are truly a mean, hateful person. I simply try to share the love of Christ with you and you shit all over me. I am truly hurt you queer lover.

Why call me inferior, just because you are a rump-ranger and I am not does not make the inferior one, YOU are the one that invited me to pull peckers with you in your first post you homo.

All of this gay slang just further demonstrates your hatred and vile name calling. You should get down on your knees and ask Baby Jesus to help you, you sick bastard.

Sooo, God causes men to be queer huh, it's all His fault - that is just sick. There is a name for that pathology you fag, its called escapism and it is very immature. Take responsibility for you own sickness you sissy.

What the hell is woodpulp you idiot? I cut Pulp Wood so bear that in mind every time you pass a love note to your queer boyfriend on a post-it, someone had to cut the pulpwood to make that paper you are wasting on your sick, vile homeristic love affair.

Again - you and your name calling. I'm gonna pray for you queer, Jesus loves you and He (only He) can help you and your depraved lifestyle.

Hopefully you are serious and will NOT post further hatred and hurtful comments. I have to go now and pray, I am just too upset to continue right now.

Okay Donny-boy. First of all, I asked for references, not for verbal attacks. Just because I retaliate from a douchbag remark, dosne't make me a "truly mean and hateful person", but it makes you an asswipe. I made a point on the "Pulp wood", mainly because MY job is supperior in payment, and I don't have to envy people who have more than I by calling them gay. And I'll have you know that I'm married to a woman, and I won't resort to having pleasures with a man like you will. YOU were the one who provoked me, and if you think you can insult someone without getting a negative response, THINK AGAIN ASSHOLE!.

[AlexAlmighty]

Re: I need references.

, Gee I know not where to start, you are truly a mean, hateful person. I simply try to share the love of Christ with you and you shit all over me. I am truly hurt you queer lover.

Why call me inferior, just because you are a rump-ranger and I am not does not make the inferior one, YOU are the one that invited me to pull peckers with you in your first post you homo.

All of this gay slang just further demonstrates your hatred and vile name calling. You should get down on your knees and ask Baby Jesus to help you, you sick bastard.

Sooo, God causes men to be queer huh, it's all His fault - that is just sick. There is a name for that pathology you fag, its called escapism and it is very immature. Take responsibility for you own sickness you sissy.

What the hell is woodpulp you idiot? I cut Pulp Wood so bear that in mind every time you pass a love note to your queer boyfriend on a post-it, someone had to cut the pulpwood to make that paper you are wasting on your sick, vile homeristic love affair.

Again - you and your name calling. I'm gonna pray for you queer, Jesus loves you and He (only He) can help you and your depraved lifestyle.

Hopefully you are serious and will NOT post further hatred and hurtful comments. I have to go now and pray, I am just too upset to continue right now.

Well Donny-boy, I want you to prove that God exists. Now answer me these questions:
1. Why did God kill innocent people back in Ancient Times?
2. Why is there starvation in the world?
3. Why won't God heal amputees?
4. If God exists, then why is he hiding?
5. What was God doing before he created Adam?
6. And just why did God create man? For his own perverse pleasure? To toy with mankind and to test mankind? To send the believers to heaven to serve Him there and to cast the others into Hell so Satan can have his pleasure with the unbelievers?
7. If God created the universe, who made God?
8. If God existed, Prayer would have granted world peace by now wouldn't it have?
9. "Thou shalt not kill." Did God violate his own commandment?

[Don the Baptist]

Re: I need references.

I made a point on the "Pulp wood", mainly because MY job is supperior in payment,

You say that with such self-righteous indignation that it makes me think that you actually believe that my profile is true ...

Pulpwood cutting is a necessary thing just because we all use paper, and it was quite popular for nonliterate individuals in the deep south when I was in high school.

I would be very surprised if you made more than I do, trust me asshat. However, no matter how much you do or do not make - you are still a pantload...