[Mr. Burmeister]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

You're attempt at class warfare is disgusting and I demand you apologize. The rich work long and hard to get their money. Who are you to condemn them for being successful?

Wow...If you can repudate something which Jesus Himself said in the GOSPELS, then there's no limit to which Scripture you can disregard then...

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burmeister

Wow...If you can repudate something which Jesus Himself said in the GOSPELS, then there's no limit to which Scripture you can disregard then...

You're just twisting Christ's words out of context. Jesus was outraged at the tax and spend Pharisees of the time of His earthly ministry. These statist LOOTERS CONFISCATED the wealth of hard working REAL Judeans and spent it on GOLD PLATED nanny state projects like PUBLIC BATHS instead of the letting the invisible hand of the Free Market solve the Iron Age leprosy crises.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burmeister

You've never read the parable Jesus told about the rich man and Lazarus, have you?

So tell me something, dear friend: How much money does the Vatican't have?

[nightwolf67]

Apparently he has not.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by nightwolf67

Apparently he has not.

Huh? What are you talking about? You care to include a subject in your post?

[JustAnotherMan]

Taxes arent all bad - they help preventing homelessnes. let's look at some statistics:
First off. find a country with a high tax rate. Denmark. Now - compare.
We'll just take a random american city, say San Francisco.
San Francisco:
Tax Rate: 10-35%
Number of Homeless folks:7-10.000
Total Population: 815.000
one in every 82-116 is homeless
Denmark:
Tax Rate: 40-60%
Number of Homeless folks: 4.500-5.000
Total Population: 5.500.000
1 in every 1100-1222 is homeless.

Higher taxes is not always a bad thing.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherMan

Taxes arent all bad - they help preventing homelessnes. let's look at some statistics:
First off. find a country with a high tax rate. Denmark. Now - compare.
We'll just take a random american city, say San Francisco.
San Francisco:
Tax Rate: 10-35%
Number of Homeless folks:7-10.000
Total Population: 815.000
one in every 82-116 is homeless
Denmark:
Tax Rate: 40-60%
Number of Homeless folks: 4.500-5.000
Total Population: 5.500.000
1 in every 1100-1222 is homeless.

Higher taxes is not always a bad thing.

Take the reefer out your mouth dude and listen to some facts.

Society depends on the the Rich to keep the economy going. Rich people buy the stuff that keeps Americans employed like Italian marbles, French wine, pink Himalayan rocks salt and Egyptian cotton sheets. Human trash like the poor aren't going to by stuff like that. No they are just going to waste that money on off the rock clothes and cheep food from McDonald's. It makes no sense to tax the rich since we are all dependent on them.

PS Just say no to drugs

[JustAnotherMan]

I am just looking at facts, and they speak pretty clearly. If the homeless are all bad people spending their money on stupid things, why not get rid of them?
The statistics speaks for themselves - 0,08% (Denmark) vs 1,22% (USA). The american number is 15 times higher - the danish system is clearly working. Or maybe the danes are just more capable at earning money than the americans.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherMan

I am just looking at facts, and they speak pretty clearly. If the homeless are all bad people spending their money on stupid things, why not get rid of them?

Because first, who are we to judge them? God will starve the scum to death in a slow and horrible way on His time. Second, the moral example the poor provide. No one would be virtuous if there was no penalty for being immoral. If all the poor were gassed and killed everyone would forget how disgusting a poor person really is and they would go right off sinning again. No, only by stepping over the body of a bum slowly dying in a filth filled gutter can a virtuousness man know he is one of the good.

[JustAnotherMan]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

God will starve the scum to death in a slow and horrible way on His time.

Great, then i guess we just worked out that god will starve and less Danes than Americans therefore making a higher percentage of danes virtuos.

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

If all the poor were gassed and killed everyone would forget how disgusting a poor person really is

Nobody is getting gassed nor killed, there are quite simply a smaller percentage of danes, who are getting punished by god.

I assume in the perfect and right-believing world nobody would be homeless, because god will not punish anyone believing in him. this would mean, statistically speaking, that Denmark is more righteous than America?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherMan

Taxes arent all bad - they help preventing homelessnes. let's look at some statistics:
First off. find a country with a high tax rate. Denmark. Now - compare.
We'll just take a random american city, say San Francisco.
San Francisco:
Tax Rate: 10-35%
Number of Homeless folks:7-10.000
Total Population: 815.000
one in every 82-116 is homeless
Denmark:
Tax Rate: 40-60%
Number of Homeless folks: 4.500-5.000
Total Population: 5.500.000
1 in every 1100-1222 is homeless.

Higher taxes is not always a bad thing.

You're comparing an extremely densely populated city against a whole country. Of course the city is going have higher rates of homelessness than a country. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

How about doing a fair comparison of two cities with similar population density?

When you include the nationwide VAT, India has higher taxes than the US. How does the rate of homelessness in San Francisco compare to that of Mumbai?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherMan

I am just looking at facts, and they speak pretty clearly. If the homeless are all bad people spending their money on stupid things, why not get rid of them?
The statistics speaks for themselves - 0,08% (Denmark) vs 1,22% (USA). The american number is 15 times higher - the danish system is clearly working. Or maybe the danes are just more capable at earning money than the americans.

Or maybe Denmark has a different way of dealing with its homeless:

[BelieverInGod]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

You're comparing an extremely densely populated city against a whole country. Of course the city is going have higher rates of homelessness than a country. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

How about doing a fair comparison of two cities with similar population density?

When you include the nationwide VAT, India has higher taxes than the US. How does the rate of homelessness in San Francisco compare to that of Mumbai?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Not only that, but he's comparing probably the most liebral city in the US and saying it's bad. There's also the fact that lazy people head to California for the simple reason it is possible to live there out doors year round and not freeze to death.

[Master Gordon]

Originally Posted by Rev. M. Rodimer

Or maybe Denmark has a different way of dealing with its homeless:

Yes I have heard that and it just goes to show why God hates Denmark.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Don't forget the Elephant in the Room that the liberals don't want to mention: Another reason why there's less homelessness in Denmark than San Francisco is because there's more white people in Denmark. Everyone there is blonde and blue eyed, and we know for a fact that blonde and blue-eyed people are simply more intelligent and hard-working. Now, compare that to San Francisco which is the toilet of America. You get drug-addled hippies, perverts in fishnets, migrant Mexican workers, and all sorts of other scum.

Anywhere where there is a majority of white people (like 90%+), you will find record-low amounts of violence, homelessness, poverty, etc. The converse is also true when you look at negro or Mexican population.

Liberals don't want to admit that because then people will know they are actually racist!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

If you wish to believe leftist liberal groups like the "National Alliance to End Homelessness", there are 671,859 homeless people in the United States.

The US population is 310,686,344.

Therefore, 0.2162% of the US population is homeless, not the 0.85% you show in your San Francisco example. If your example applied to the entire country, there would be 2,668,472 homeless people in the US.

With a little more "help" from Obama, we just might reach or exceed that number in the coming months.

[AngelClark]

Originally Posted by Thicklette

The poor I know are not greedy. There are many people living off of SSI or SSDI who are living off of less than $1000 per month. They do there best to make it. There are also the working class who has to work at minimum wage and try to make it again off of about $1000 per month. These people are on housing, getting food stamps just to make it. I believe the rich need to help out the poor. Donate to a cereal drive that feeds kids breakfast during the summer, donate to a food pantry there are people who needs it.

Correction: They want a handout, while my husband actually works to provide for his family. Why should WE provide for the LAZY? The poor wouldn't be poor if they'd quit stuffing their faces, cranking out children before marriage, and whining about how bad they have it. I personally think they should do away with Food Stamps, Section 8 housing, welfare, etc. It makes people lazy and teaches NOTHING!!

[Louise1987]

I have a point.

Let's assume there must be a percentage of poor to keep the economy running, like someone mentioned earlier.

But let's face it. Who wants to be poor?

It's easy to bitch about the poor when you're not one yourself.

[librarian]

First of all, I am sorry for digging up this thread but I have some questions to the good people of this forum.

I had been reading the bible and I came upon this passage on Luke 6:20 which says: "Blessed are you poor, For the yours is the kingdom of God."
Then I happen to stumble onto this forum. Help me enlighten my understanding. What does that mean exactly, in a relationship to the views expressed on this forum?

Thank you in advance for helping me get to the truth.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by librarian

First of all, I am sorry for digging up this thread but I have some questions to the good people of this forum.

I had been reading the bible and I came upon this passage on Luke 6:20 which says: "Blessed are you poor, For the yours is the kingdom of God."
Then I happen to stumble onto this forum. Help me enlighten my understanding. What does that mean exactly, in a relationship to the views expressed on this forum?

Thank you in advance for helping me get to the truth.

Why did you cut out the "And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples" part? It's exactly that sort of editing, cherry-picking, and obfuscation that prevents the vast majority of people from having true discernment.

Certainly by the time you got to Luke (which is around 80% of the way through the KJV Bible) you had achieved some level of understanding: or are you simply trying to Google your way to salvation?



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth