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What is economics?

Economics is about creating wealth.

What is wealth?

Good question.

For example, let's talk about two shirts, one which is worth a dollar and another which is worth a thousand dollars. One is an example of wealth, the other is something you shine your shoes with. But in reality the only difference is a logo. You see, one has a logo of a prestigeous designer on it, and the other doesn't.

The logo is not made of gold, it does not even do anything, yet it is wealth.

Does Wealth equal happiness?

Let's put it this way: 100% of the world's money, every last penny, is spent on happiness. Some people get their money's worth, and some don't. There's even moochers who have fun for free.

So, since wealth isn't happiness, we have to go back to the question of what wealth is.

What is wealth?

Good question.

Wealth is the ability to make yourself feel superior to others, and more importantly, to make others feel inferior to you.

That's what the logo on the thousand dollar shirt does. It provides everyone around you with proof of their inferiority.

Why else are jewels worth so much, even though costume jewelery looks identical? It's not good enough to look superior, one must have PROOF of superiority.

All other forms of wealth do the same. Fancy cars, big houses, etc.

For example, a century ago, if you had a car, you felt superior to everyone else who have horses. Yet today if you have a horse, you feel superior to everyone else, who has cars.

What's wrong with liberal economics?

Liberals think that if everyone has wealth, everyone will be happy. See the above question "Does wealth equal happiness?" to see why liberal economics is flawed. If we all had the same thousand dollar logo on our shirts, we would not all be getting 1000$ worth of happiness. On the contrary, we would all be wearing 1 dollar shirts, because it's impossible to feel superior or inferior to your equals.

In short, liberals want equality, which defeats the entire purpose of wealth, and therefore the entire purpose of economics.

Therefore the term "liberal economist" is a contradiction!

Why are the wealthy worse off than the poor?

Who do you think is wealther of these two people:



If you said Bill Gates, you're wrong.

The black guy is whiter than the people around him. He has an ipod and an ak47, while they don't even have food. He feels superior, and his starving peers feel inferior. Therefore he is wealthy.

Bill Gates is just as white as his peers, and while he has a mansion, trophy wife, and so on, his peers also have mansions and trophy wives. His mansion may have a few more rooms, but overall, this unfortunate white guy is basically equal to his peers. As far as he's concerned, he might as well live in communist North Korea.

Recently, the size of the middle class has been shrinking, while the amount of billionaires has been increasing. This means that the middle class gets to feel extra special, while the billionaires are less so. Also, luxory goods are going through massive, unprecidented inflation.

How is inflation hurting the wealthy?

Poor people think 3 dollar a gallon gas is bad. They need to stop their whining and take a look at the inflation the wealthy are facing:

Just a few months ago, we thought a $700 bible was a good example of wealth. Yet now there's a book selling for 3,000,000 dollars!

The highest-class dessert used to cost 1000$. Now it costs 25,000 dollars.

It's getting more and more expensive to prove ourselves superior, yet being lazy and inferior is as cheap as ever.

Why is free-market Haiti actually more prosperous than communist Cuba?

In Haiti, you can smoke a Cuban Cigar, blow the smoke in someone's face, and say "I can afford a Cuban cigar. I'm better then you are." Yet in Cuba, if you tried to do that, you'd just get smoke blown in your face in return, because Cuban cigars are everywhere in Cuba. And if you then stab that guy in the gut, he'll get free medical care. In Haiti, he would have gotten a septic infection and died an extremely slow and painful death, further proving your superiority.

Why are the poor better off in an unequal economy than an egalitarian one?

If you're a poor person in an unequal economy, you may have to put up with the short-term pain being knowing you're inferior, but there's always the hope that you'll strike it rich. Then you'll be able to prove your superiority to others.

In a liberal, egalitarian economy with universal education, health care, and so on, the poor have nothing to hope for. If they strike it rich, their kids will still be educated and get health care, just the same as everyone else. You can't feel superior to people who have the same quality of health care as you. That's why in liberal economies the poor are trapped in poverty. Since they'll have the same universal human rights whether they're rich or not, why bother?

What causes unemployment?

When people find ways to get happiness other than from feeling superior to others (yes, these types of happiness do exist, but no, I'm not going to tell you how to achieve them) they stop working. If you know how to get hapiness from fresh air and meeting people, what's to stop you from becoming a begger?

Also, public libraries and universal education create unemployment because education creates a phenomenon called "elitism"

What is elitism?

Elitism is when someone decides they are superior to others because they are more knowledgable. This is bad for the economy, because you don't have to work to become more knowledgable. In an elitist society, everyone would be trying to prove their superiority by learning stuff, instead of working. There would be mass unemployment.

Thus, the only proper way of proving your superiority is with money, not knowledge. This is why we oppose elitism.
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Wow, Jeb, your analysis is as jam-packed with wisdom as Isaiah. Is the take-home lesson that Bill Gates should be wearing a handcrafted clay lip plate?
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Questions on Tithing:

What does "Tithe" mean?

I highly recommend this article: How much should I tithe?

Where do payments of money go and what are they spent on?

The IRS says everything we do is charity. End of story.

How can people afford to live if they give most of their income away?

God provides. HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE GENEROSITY OF GOD!

Matthew 6:34 Take no thought for the morrow."

Matthew 6.25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on.
Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?


But I'm what if I'm poor?

Jesus expects you to tithe 100%:

Mark 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living

Jesus says you should give everything: EVERYTHING, even your own family:

Matthew 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

What happens if I don't have the money and never will?

Take out loans and apply for credit cards. The rapture will take you to heaven before you have to pay anything back. Just take a look at the news: disasters, wars, signs all over the place. Clearly we are living in the end times. Keep one credit card to buy food. Send the rest to LBC.

Remember, you can also give with services rather than cash, becoming a missionary is the best way to do this. For example, our Iraq mission is constantly asking for more missionaires due to high turnover.

Okay, I'll give all I have, but why do you have to be so pushy?

Because it's not your money in the first place, it belongs to God:

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

Haggai 2:8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

What happens if I don't tithe?

You are a criminal, and will be treated like one:

Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
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I agree with Brother Larry Lee on this Jeb; your' articles take a wide stance on this subject that just about covers money. You make an excellent point that happiness doesn’t happen unless it comes at the expense of as many people as possible.
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Also, what is property?
Property could be various things, Your home, car, wife etc.
I don't know of any religious objections to swapping material objects but the wife part wouldn't go down well.
I mean who would want to swap a 200lbs 1964 model for a 90lbs 1990 model ?
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Strange questions and without any pre-amble, nevertheless, my first thoughts are:

There's a lot of "taking from" and "giving to" in the Bible often for services or obedience rendered. This can be described as "swapping property." You have the ability to sacrifice a goat, God has the power to send plagues on your enemy in return.

The question of property should not be confused with either possession or ownership.

Property stands on its own and is anything that is capable of being owned and this includes knowledge.

Possession is answered by "Who has it at the moment?" Clearly there are lists of things all through the Bible that people possessed.

Ownership is answered by, "Is there anyone who could legitimately say, 'That is mine.'?"

As God made Heaven and earth and all that is in it, they are all His.

Dominion is the capability to act and issue authoritative and legitimate instructions as to the disposal of, and/or conduct with, property.

God gave man dominion over most of the things on the earth:

Ge:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Ge:1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

There is, unless we take replenish the earth, and subdue it: as authority,as far as I can see, a lack of dominion over vegetation but as Noah used wood to make the Ark, and bread features heavily, one assumes that God does not mind this.

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Strange questions and without any pre-amble, nevertheless, my first thoughts are:

There's a lot of "taking from" and "giving to" in the Bible often for services or obedience rendered. This can be described as "swapping property." You have the ability to sacrifice a goat, God has the power to send plagues on your enemy in return.

The question of property should not be confused with either possession or ownership.

Property stands on its own and is anything that is capable of being owned and this includes knowledge.

Possession is answered by "Who has it at the moment?" Clearly there are lists of things all through the Bible that people possessed.

Ownership is answered by, "Is there anyone who could legitimately say, 'That is mine.'?"

As God made Heaven and earth and all that is in it, they are all His.

Dominion is the capability to act and issue authoritative and legitimate instructions as to the disposal of, and/or conduct with, property.

God gave man dominion over most of the things on the earth:

Ge:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Ge:1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

There is, unless we take replenish the earth, and subdue it: as authority,as far as I can see, a lack of dominion over vegetation but as Noah used wood to make the Ark, and bread features heavily, one assumes that God does not mind this.

Why do you ask?
I actually wanted to ask a question about women, or more precisely wives, but your post made me wonder,
say, I like Roberta's bicycle (just for the sake of argument, I doubt she has one and I prefer to drive or walk). I get on the bike and I ride away. If somebody asks me why I took her bike, I reply that it was not hers, but God's as all things are God's.
So, what's wrong with this argument of mine?
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Since when does superiority equal happiness? I wouldn't get much happiness out of being an arrogant douchebag with a big house and fancy car.
I take it this means that you do not have a big house or a fancy car.

Well, one out of three ain't bad, Elizabeth. Maybe you will find that you're happy when you achieve the other two. However, we prefer to find our joy in the Lord.
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I actually wanted to ask a question about women, or more precisely wives, but your post made me wonder,
say, I like Roberta's bicycle (just for the sake of argument, I doubt she has one and I prefer to drive or walk). I get on the bike and I ride away. If somebody asks me why I took her bike, I reply that it was not hers, but God's as all things are God's.
So, what's wrong with this argument of mine?

This really is not a difficult question. While the bicycle is God's, He gave it to "Roberta", not you - in that sense you "stole" the bicycle and it is not "yours". Often times we can understand things better by changing our ways of thinking about them. While in our ordinary transactions we commonly think that we can buy and "own" beer, in the grand scheme of things we more likely rent it.
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I wouldn't ether friend. That is why I have a big house, three SUVs and a vacation home. The only way I can be happy is drive to Des Moinse and go around a look at the foreclose signs and the vacant store fronts. Then I realize how much better I am than those losers. That is TRUE Happiness®.
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