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Thumbs up Charles Lindbergh's 1939 Reader's Digest article

Some people wonder why conservative republicans, who nearly always support military action, believed in isolationism while the Nazis where conquering Europe. The chief spokesperson of the conservative republican isolationist movement, Charles Linbergh, says it best:

Aviation, Geography, and Race
by Charles A. Lindbergh
featured in Reader's Digest, November, 1939, pp. 64-67

Aviation has struck a delicately balanced world, a world where
stability was already giving way to the pressure of new dynamic
forces, a world dominated by a mechanical, materialist, Western
European civilization. Aviation is a product of that
civilization, borne on the crest of its outlook. Typical also of
its strength and its weakness, its vanity and its
self-destruction - men flung upward in the face of God, another
Icarus to dominate the sky, and in turn, to be dominated by it;
for eventually the laws of nature determine the success of human
effort and measure the value of human inventions in that
divinely complicated, mathematically unpredictable, development
of life at which Science has given the name of Evolution.

Aviation seems almost a gift from heaven to those Western
nations who were already the leaders of their era, strengthening
their leadership, their confidence, their dominance over other
peoples. It is a tool specially shaped for Western hands, a
scientific art which others only copy in a mediocre fashion,
another barrier between the teeming millions of Asia and the
Grecian inheritance of Europe - one of those priceless
possessions which permit the White race to live at all in a
pressing sea of Yellow, Black, and Brown. But aviation, using it
symbolically as well as in its own right, brings two great
dangers, one peculiar to our modern civilization, the other
older than history. Since aviation is dependent on the intricate
organization of life and industry, it carries with it the
environmental danger of a people too far separated from the soil
and from the sea - the danger of that physical decline which so
often goes with a high intellectual development, of that
spiritual decline which seems invariably to accompany an
industrial life, of that racial decline which follows physical
and spiritual mediocrity.

A great industrial nation may conquer the world in the span of a
single life, but its Achilles' heel is time. Its children, what
of them? The second and third generations, of what numbers and
stuff will they be? How long can men thrive between walls of
brick, walking on asphalt pavements, breathing the fumes of coal
and of oil, growing, working, dying, with hardly a thought of
wind, and sky, and fields of grain, seeing only machine-made
beauty, the mineral-like quality of life. This is our modern
danger - one of the waxen wings of flight. It may cause our
civilization to fall unless we act quickly to counteract it,
unless we realize that human character is more important than
efficiency, that education consists of more than the mere
accumulation of knowledge.

But the other great danger is more easily recognized, because it
has occurred again and again through history. It is the ember of
war, fanned by every new military weapon, flaming today as it
has never flamed before. It is the old internal struggle among a
dominant people for power; blind, insatiable, suicidal. Western
nations are again at war, a war likely to be more prostrating
than any in the past, a war in which the White race is bound to
lose, and the others bound to gain, a war which may easily lead
our civilization through more Dark Ages if it survives at all.
In this war, aviation is as important a factor as it has been a
cause - a cause due to its effect on the balance of strength
between nations, a factor because of the destruction and death
it hurls on earth and sea. Air power is new to all our
countries. It brings advantages to some and weakens others; it
calls for readjustment everywhere.

If only there were some way to measure the changing character of
men, some yardstick to reapportion influence among the nations,
some way to demonstrate in peace the strength of arms in war.
But with all of its dimensions, its clocks, and weights, and
figures, science fails us when we ask a measure for the rights
of men. They cannot be judged by numbers, by distance, weight,
or time; or by counting heads without a thought of what may lie
within. Those intangible qualities of character, such as
courage, faith, and skill, evade all systems, slip through the
bars of every cage. They can be recognized, but not measured.
They lie more in a glance between two men than in any formula or
mathematics. They form the unseen strength of an army, the
genius of a people.

Likewise, in judging aviation, in its effect on modern nations,
no satisfactory measurement of strength exists. It is bound to
geography, environment, and racial character so closely that an
attempt to judge by numbers would be like counting Greeks at
Marathon. What advantages will they gain? What new influence can
they exert? To judge this, one must look not only at their
aviation but at them, at the geography of their country, at
their problems of existence, at their habits of life.

Mountains, coastlines, great distances, ground fortifications,
all those safeguards of past generations, lose their old
significance as man takes to his wings. The English Channel, the
snow-capped Alps, the expanses of Russia, are now looked on from
a different height. The forces of Hannibal, Drake and Napoleon
moved at best with the horses' gallop or the speed of wind on
sail. Now, aviation brings a new concept of time and distance to
the affairs of men. It demands adaptability to change, places a
premium on quickness of thought and speed of action.

Military strength has become more dynamic and less tangible. A
new alignment of power has taken place, and there is no adequate
peacetime measure for its effect on the influence of nations.
There seems no way to agree on the rights it brings to some and
takes from others. The rights of men within a nation are
readjusted in each generation by laws of inheritance - land
changes hands as decades pass, fortunes are taxed from one
generation to the next; ownership is no more permanent than
life. But among nations themselves there is no similar provision
to reward virility and penalize decay, no way to reapportion the
world's wealth as tides of human character ebb and flow - except
by the strength of armies. In the last analysis, military
strength is measurable only by its own expenditure, by the
prostration of one contender while the other can still stagger
on the field - and all about the wolves of lesser stature abide
their time to spring on both the warriors.

We, the heirs of European culture, are on the verge of a
disastrous war, a war within our own family of nations, a war
which will reduce the strength and destroy the treasures of the
White race, a war which may even lead to the end of our
civilization. And while we stand poised for battle, Oriental
guns are turning westward, Asia presses towards us on the
Russian border, all foreign races stir restlessly. It is time to
turn from our quarrels and to build our White ramparts again.
This alliance with foreign races means nothing but death to us.
It is our turn to guard our heritage from Mongol and Persian and
Moor, before we become engulfed in a limitless foreign sea. Our
civilization depends on a united strength among ourselves; on
strength too great for foreign armies to challenge; on a Western
Wall of race and arms which can hold back either a Genghis Khan
or the infiltration of inferior blood; on an English fleet, a
German air force, a French army, an American nation, standing
together as guardians of our common heritage, sharing strength,
dividing influence.

Our civilization depends on peace among Western nations, and
therefore on united strength, for Peace is a virgin who dare not
show her face without Strength, her father, for protection. We
can have peace and security only so long as we band together to
preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of
European blood, only so long as we guard ourselves against
attack by foreign armies and dilution by foreign races.

We need peace to let our best men live to work out those more
subtle, but equally dangerous, problems brought by this new
environment in which we dwell, to give us time to turn this
materialistic trend, to stop prostrating ourselves before this
modern idol of mechanical efficiency, to find means of combining
freedom, spirit, and beauty with industrial life - a peace which
will bring character, strength, and security back to Western
peoples.

With all the world around our borders, let us not commit racial
suicide by internal conflict. We must learn from Athens, and
Sparta before all of Greece is lost.
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Of course, all this was written after Britain had gone to war with Germany and before the slants took out Pearl Habor in ‘41. So, on the basis that the map of Europe is not much changed when comparing 1939 with the present, Lindbergh had it about right – an internecine strife that did little other than weaken Europe.

As far as the slants are concerned, his words, 2 years before the Pearl Harbor show the man’s far-sightedness
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How fitting then is

M't:13:57: And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

Perhaps we should have listened to him.
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As far as the slants are concerned, his words, 2 years before the Pearl Harbor show the man’s far-sightedness
I think he predicted 9/11 in there, at some point.

Note that Charles Linberg's arguments also apply to the other two wars that republicans opposed - the first world war, and the war against Slobodon Milosovich.

America has fought 233 wars*, not including the ones against indians. 230 of these wars have been against brown people, and have been supported by conservative republicans.

The world wars and the Yugoslav war are the only wars America has ever fought against white people, and are the only wars republicans have opposed.

*(I don't count the dispute with revolutionary France in which nobody got hurt, but I do count the War on Terror.)

The revolutionary war and the war of 1812 were fought against both indians and brits. Conservative republicans, at the time called "loyalists", opposed fighting the british but supported fighting the indians.)
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I think he predicted 9/11 in there, at some point.

Note that Charles Linberg's arguments also apply to the other two wars that republicans opposed - the first world war, and the war against Slobodon Milosovich.

America has fought 233 wars*, not including the ones against indians. 230 of these wars have been against brown people, and have been supported by conservative republicans.

The world wars and the Yugoslav war are the only wars America has ever fought against white people, and are the only wars republicans have opposed.

*(I don't count the dispute with revolutionary France in which nobody got hurt, but I do count the War on Terror.)

The revolutionary war and the war of 1812 were fought against both indians and brits. Conservative republicans, at the time called, "loyalists" opposed fighting the british but supported fighting the indians.)
Brother Jeb, you maybe rushing to judgment on the Revolution; King George III was German and most of the English army were German mercenaries. Since Germans only became a white people after their victory in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870 there was no white on white racial violence in the American Revolution or the War of 1812.

Additionally our Forefathers weren't fighting the English, they were fighting the English big government (westward migration limitations), tax and spend (stamp tax), socialism (the mercantile system) and unfair immigrant polities (the Indians) The American Revolution was the libertarian revolution so of course conservatives supported it. Do you picture good Christians like Washington, Franklin, Jefferson and Tomas Pain supporting a liberal anti-white war? Of course not!
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Sadly, Brother Jeb, I fear it is too late. Obviously, Mr. Lindburgh is rolling over in his grave.



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Brother Jeb, you maybe rushing to judgment on the Revolution; King George III was German and most of the English army were German mercenaries. Since Germans only became a white people after their victory in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870
I don't know much about this so correct me if I'm wrong- before Germany was unified, the Prussians were mostly from East Prussia, which is actually Poland. So King George and his armies were actually polacks - aka slavs, aka round-eyed mongols.

When Germany was united, the polacks all went to poland and the Saxons - the ones related to us, and therefore decended from Adam, and therefore are made in the image of God - took over. Then they launched a preemptive strike against polackofascism and the Western Civilization hating liberals in Britain and France declared WW2.

Charles Linebacker (I'm sure he would prefer a less french name, and a more American one) was a visionary, the closest thing we have these days to a prophet. I Guess it takes a pilot to see the big picture.

Pop quiz: when was the last time the Republican Party nominated for president someone who wasn't a fighter pilot?

Answer: 30 years ago.
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Aviation seems almost a gift from heaven to those Western
nations who were already the leaders of their era, strengthening
their leadership, their confidence, their dominance over other
peoples. It is a tool specially shaped for Western hands, a
scientific art which others only copy in a mediocre fashion,
another barrier between the teeming millions of Asia and the
Grecian inheritance of Europe - one of those priceless
possessions which permit the White race to live at all in a
pressing sea of Yellow, Black, and Brown.


Brother Jeb, you found an incredible piece of our nation's precious history. To bring us Lucky Lindy's actual words is a priceless reminder of his wisdom.

In this day when all three of those third world groups continue their inroads into this golden land, we find ourselves still fighting them.

Sadly, when all those darkies came to us begging for jobs back in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries we naively let them in, gave them jobs, places to live and food to eat. How do they thank us? By taking over our government!

We kicked the slopes butts back in the 40's. Toward the end of that war we knew our troops would have to take over their homeland, but we were very concerned about what germs they would face so we disinfected Hiroshima and Nagasake. Our troops were safe. But then we felt sorry for them and started buying cheap crap from them to help them out. How did they show their gratitude? By flooding our shores with cars and mopeds!

As for as the brown ones go, you can't swing a dead burro without hitting one. They're all over the place.

This has got to stop!!!
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I don't know much about this so correct me if I'm wrong- before Germany was unified, the Prussians were mostly from East Prussia, which is actually Poland. So King George and his armies were actually polacks - aka slavs, aka round-eyed mongols.

When Germany was united, the polacks all went to poland and the Saxons - the ones related to us, and therefore decended from Adam, and therefore are made in the image of God - took over. Then they launched a preemptive strike against polackofascism and the Western Civilization hating liberals in Britain and France declared WW2.
That sounds like a fair and balanced explanation of German history Jeb so I will accept it. I would say you have hit on the greatest tragedy of the Nazis; they were trying to save Christian (Western) Civilization from it's enemies (Commies, Slaves and the French) and for that they get branded the evilest people in human history. If Hitler hadn't been so misguided as to declare war on the United States he would have been considered a great man. But that is sin for you; turn your back of God just once and He will smite you.
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Dear Jeb-

You may or may not have noted my introduction forum posts. I am an Aussie of heathen "Darwinist" educational background, striving against this to become a True Christian. I find Charles' article most interesting - but confusing.

In our sickular, multicultural-tolerant Aussie school system, much is made of Greek classical culture as a critical foundationstone for modern Western development. And a large proportion of Australia's population is of Greek origin, and overweeningly filled with hubris they are of thier mighty contributions to the story of mankind.

But now that I am reading the KJV-1611, I see these Greeks for what they are - the "Christian" Orthodoxy of Constantine "the Great"! And those chaps at Marathon, Thermopylae and the rest - sure, much kudos for thier unmatched example of Manliness - but these people were Idolaters! Not even any Imperfect version of Christianity at all. Most confusing of all, the KJV-1611 doesn't seem to talk about these things anywhere! As though God thinks them of ZERO importance.

These apparent contradictions are as the knot of Gordia to me, the philosophical ramifications are beyond my shallow understanding of God's Plan.
Classical Greece empahsises personal achievement and daring, pride and competitiveness, and induvidual opinion - while Christianity emphasises humility, obedience and homogeny of opinion.

Perhaps you could generously expound further on these apparent paradoxes, so as to show me the relationship between these cultures - I fear I am as a dacian catamite before these weighty questions, and seek your enlightened assistance.
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Many of the Classical Greeks were truly Proto-True Christian™. Of course, they are burning in hell, but God did use them to set an example for the rest of us in the future so their lives were not in vain.

Take Plato for example. His allegory about "shadows in a cave" is a beautiful and wonderful rendition of what life was like before Christ. Plato realized we could not understand reality (God) for what it was. He likened it to a bunch of seeing the shadows of something else, illustrated on cave walls.

Once Christ came into being, that gap was bridged. We were then allowed to see God who He is through the King James Bible. The Bible allowed us not to have to look to cave walls, but to see outside the cave. Plato was simply a pawn in God's plan to explain how Salvation® works.

Or take the glorious example of Alexander the Great. He conquered many mud races under his majestic white empire. The Persians, the Indians, and whatever brown races were put under subjugation by a White Emperor. God used Alexander as an example of how Christianity should be today. The White Man needs to civilize the lesser races and bring Christianity to them.

So, while the relationship between Classical Greek culture and modern Christianity are highly nuanced, there is a strong link between them. God put those idolatrous heathens to good use by providing historical inspirations for modern day True Christians™.
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Mark,

Many of the Classical Greeks were truly Proto-True Christian™. Of course, they are burning in hell, but God did use them to set an example for the rest of us in the future so their lives were not in vain.

Take Plato for example. His allegory about "shadows in a cave" is a beautiful and wonderful rendition of what life was like before Christ. Plato realized we could not understand reality (God) for what it was. He likened it to a bunch of seeing the shadows of something else, illustrated on cave walls.

Once Christ came into being, that gap was bridged. We were then allowed to see God who He is through the King James Bible. The Bible allowed us not to have to look to cave walls, but to see outside the cave. Plato was simply a pawn in God's plan to explain how Salvation® works.

Or take the glorious example of Alexander the Great. He conquered many mud races under his majestic white empire. The Persians, the Indians, and whatever brown races were put under subjugation by a White Emperor. God used Alexander as an example of how Christianity should be today. The White Man needs to civilize the lesser races and bring Christianity to them.

So, while the relationship between Classical Greek culture and modern Christianity are highly nuanced, there is a strong link between them. God put those idolatrous heathens to good use by providing historical inspirations for modern day True Christians™.
Thank you for those clarifications, Rev. Osborne -

This does, however, bring up another one. Most Greek chaps I know, they're not exactly white, not "saxon" white if you know what I mean. And by "saxon" white I mean goes lobster coloured after 2 minutes of Australian sunlight like a pom! Greeks I know, they're mostly black hair, black eyes, olive skin - are you telling me that in Alexander's day they were whiter? Did those millions of smokin-hot captured Persian dancing girls and concubines "brownify" the old Greeks?
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Are you sure Pastor? This is a US War documentary, and there's a youthful Mr Reagan as a real bomber pilot (1:20 onwards)

Thank you, brother Bathfire!
That was a fine and inspirin bit of actual footage, from the time when the Yankee navy and airforce helped us Aussies out against the hordes of the Yellow Peril. That desert looked a fair bit like Australia in fact, but I never saw huge cacti like that here. Brother Bathfire, do you happen to know what Coral Sea Island those fellas were landed on?
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I suspect the cactus seeds had been brought in on airplanes that brought the missionaries.
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I suspect the cactus seeds had been brought in on airplanes that brought the missionaries.
Could be, brother Bathfire - they don't seem to have survived to the present day, however. At least there is a photographic record.
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