[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

I didn't say I don't believe that there really was a copper mine found. I doubt why exactly this should be considered "King Solomon's Mines"
(an invention of pop culture, not the Bible...), especially since it's not in the country Solomon ruled.

I think you will find that King David and then his son Solomon, DID rule Edom.

Edom was conquered after a decisive defeat in the Valley of Salt.

According to 2 Samuel 8

And David gat him a name when he returned from smiting of the Syrians in the valley of salt, being eighteen thousand men.

And he put garrisons in Edom; throughout all Edom put he garrisons, and all they of Edom became David's servants. And the LORD preserved David whithersoever he went.

And David reigned over all Israel; and David executed judgment and justice unto all his people.


- it was David who defeated Edom. Israel's rule of Edom by means of governors lasted throughout David's reign and also through of Solomon's time, until Hadad, a descendant of the last Edomite king, rebelled against Solomon.
It would therefore apply that Edom's liberation was possible only at the end of Solomon's reign.

Furthermore, I have found an article in New Science which backups up the bible to a tee!

It's not every day that science and the Bible come together to tell a piece of history. Modern dating methods have determined that huge mines in Jordan are 3000 years old, supporting the idea that they were the Biblical mines of Edom ruled by King David and his son Solomon.

"The results are very, very consistent and leave no doubt as to the period [during which the mines were active]," says Tom Higham of the University of Oxford.

Higham and colleagues dated samples of charcoal used to smelt copper ore from the site.

Also to back this up with scripture, Sweatlana, or what ever other bodily excretion you are...Bogdana..

1 Chronicles 29

1 Furthermore David the king said unto all the congregation, Solomon my son, whom alone God hath chosen, is yet young and tender, and the work is great: for the palace is not for man, but for the LORD God.

2 Now I have prepared with all my might for the house of my God the gold for things to be made of gold, and the silver for things of silver, and the brass for things of brass, the iron for things of iron, and wood for things of wood; onyx stones, and stones to be set, glistering stones, and of divers colours, and all manner of precious stones, and marble stones in abundance.

3 Moreover, because I have set my affection to the house of my God, I have of mine own proper good, of gold and silver, which I have given to the house of my God, over and above all that I have prepared for the holy house.

4 Even three thousand talents of gold, of the gold of Ophir, and seven thousand talents of refined silver, to overlay the walls of the houses withal:

5 The gold for things of gold, and the silver for things of silver, and for all manner of work to be made by the hands of artificers. And who then is willing to consecrate his service this day unto the LORD?

6 Then the chief of the fathers and princes of the tribes of Israel and the captains of thousands and of hundreds, with the rulers of the king's work, offered willingly,

7 And gave for the service of the house of God of gold five thousand talents and ten thousand drams, and of silver ten thousand talents, and of brass eighteen thousand talents, and one hundred thousand talents of iron.



Now how the heck would he get brass without a copper mine!!!

Read it and weep commie!

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn15049

While your ability to copy old encyclopedia articles in impressive, let me remind you the only reason anyone believes Dalmanutha exists is because the Bible mentions the name. Every source I could find says its either unidentified, or associate it with Magdala just because. Matthew, who wrote after Mark, actually probably changed the name to Magdala because he knew Dalmanutha did not exist. I looked up the town "el-Mejdel", and found that it actually is modern-day Magdala, not a small town near Magdala like you claimed.

That's funny coming from someone who just has been saying "what I have researched....blah blah blah" but not giving any scripture to support your tripe, just wiki links. Like wikipedia is more viable than the KJV1611!

And may I ask where you got that picture from? Because that writing looks pretty modern to me...

Yes you may, but as you claim you are so good at research, you find it yourself. Or are you alluding that I did that myself in photoshop?

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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I think you will find that King David and then his son Solomon, DID rule Edom.

That's all well and good, but there is still no evidence of anything being related to King Solomon, or that any King named Solomon ever existed. Also, historically, there is no proof that Israel controlled Edom.

Yes you may, but as you claim you are so good at research, you find it yourself. Or are you alluding that I did that myself in photoshop?

No, of course not...

Was just wondering. That inscription could have been made at any point in history, even long after the time of Jesus, just to corroborate the Bible story. How do I know?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

How do I know?

Obviously, you accept the explanation that agrees with Scripture.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

How do I know?

It's really simple Bog, if you want to go to Heaven you believe what the Bible says; if you want to go to Hell you believe anything else.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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-2 Samuel 24:9 says that Judah and Israel had a total of 1,300,000 fighting men (1 Chr.21:5 says 1,570,000) in this battle. Of course, this is a ridiculously high number for a battle between two tribal armies in 1000 BCE. (The United States had about 1.37 million active duty soldiers in 2001.)

-1 Chronicles 22:14 David provides Solomon with a fantastically large amount of gold and silver with which to build the temple: 100,000 talents of gold and 1,000,000 talents of silver. Since a talent was about 60 pounds, this would be about 3,000 tons of gold and 30,000 tons of silver.

-1 Chronicles 29:7 King David collects ten thousand drams (or darics) for the construction of the temple in Jerusalem. This is especially interesting since darics were coins named after King Darius I who lived some five hundred years after David.

-2 Chronicles 13:3-4. Abijah spoke to 1,200,000 soldiers at one time. Quite a feat in the ages before microphones

-Ezra 6:1-2 says Media was a part of Babylon. It wasn't.

-Isaiah 13:21-22 says dragons will live in Babylonian palaces and satyrs will dance there. Well, that obviously hasn't happened...

-Daniel 1:1 The third year of the reign of Jehoiakim would be 606 BCE, at which time Nebuchadnezzar was not yet king of Babylon. It was 597 BCE that Nebuchadnezzar invaded Jerusalem for the first time (without actually destroying it). By that time Jehohiakim was dead and his son, Jehoiachin, was ruling.

-Daniel 5:31 Darius the Median is a fictitious character whom the author perhaps confused with Darius I of Persia, who came to the throne in 521 BCE, 17 years after the fall of Babylon.

[Sister Pamela Thompson]

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Anyone who claims the Bible to be untrue in any way is hell-bound and there is no hope for them to be saved. These people are asking to get struck by God. I would stay as far away from them as possible. I wouldn't want to be around when the flaming balls of fire hit them.

[True Disciple]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

-2 Samuel 24:9 says that Judah and Israel had a total of 1,300,000 fighting men (1 Chr.21:5 says 1,570,000) in this battle. Of course, this is a ridiculously high number for a battle between two tribal armies in 1000 BCE. (The United States had about 1.37 million active duty soldiers in 2001.)

Israel was God's Favorite Country by then. Of course they had an impressive army, it had to reflect God's Glory. It would have been strange if their army was small, I think.

-1 Chronicles 22:14 David provides Solomon with a fantastically large amount of gold and silver with which to build the temple: 100,000 talents of gold and 1,000,000 talents of silver. Since a talent was about 60 pounds, this would be about 3,000 tons of gold and 30,000 tons of silver.

God blesses his servants with great wealth, of course. Where are the errors? I'm missing your point, I'm afraid...

-1 Chronicles 29:7 King David collects ten thousand drams (or darics) for the construction of the temple in Jerusalem. This is especially interesting since darics were coins named after King Darius I who lived some five hundred years after David.

So you change the text of the KJV (you turn "dram" into "daric") and then claim that it isn't correct anymore? Is this some form of rational thinking? If you change "Satan" to "Jesus," then of course it wouldn't make sense either. Does that mean that the Bible is wrong? No, it means that you shouldn't addle God's Word by arbitrarily changing words.

-2 Chronicles 13:3-4. Abijah spoke to 1,200,000 soldiers at one time. Quite a feat in the ages before microphones

I've read the Passage again, and it doesn't say anywhere that all people heard Abijah, only that he spoke to them. They didn't heed his words, probably because only a few of them could hear him, which resulted in the slaughter of 500.000 Israelites.

-Ezra 6:1-2 says Media was a part of Babylon. It wasn't.

How do you know? Were you there?

-Isaiah 13:21-22 says dragons will live in Babylonian palaces and satyrs will dance there. Well, that obviously hasn't happened...

What proof do you have that it never happened?

-Daniel 1:1 The third year of the reign of Jehoiakim would be 606 BCE, at which time Nebuchadnezzar was not yet king of Babylon. It was 597 BCE that Nebuchadnezzar invaded Jerusalem for the first time (without actually destroying it). By that time Jehohiakim was dead and his son, Jehoiachin, was ruling.

Apparently, there was another siege of Jerusalem at 606 BC, when Daniel was captured.

-Daniel 5:31 Darius the Median is a authentic character whom the author perhaps confused with Darius I of Persia, who came to the throne in 521 BCE, 17 years after the fall of Babylon.

God does not confuse anything at all. Darius the Medean clearly is another person, and not to be confused with Darius I.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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- Matthew 13:31-32 Jesus is incorrect when he says that the mustard seed is the smallest seed. And since there are no trees in the mustard family, mustard seeds do not grow into "the greatest of all trees."

-Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
Jesus believed that sex and Adam and Eve were created "from the beginning." But the universe is about 13.6 billion years old, the earth 4.6 billion, sex a billion years or so, and humans (depending on how you define "human") for a couple million years.

-John 1:28 "These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing." But no such site is known in history. Some translations (ASV, NAB, NIV, RSV, NRSV) rename Bethabara as Bethany, but Bethany is a suburb of Jerusalem and, therefore, not "beyond the Jordan."

-John 3:6 "The wind bloeth where it listeth."
Jesus says that no one knows which way the wind is blowing. But, of course, he was wrong about that. The direction and speed of the wind are easily measured.

-Acts 28:3-8 says Paul is bitten by a poisonous snake in Malta. There are no poisonous snakes in Malta, and there is no evidence of there ever having been.

- Romans 10:18, Paul says that everyone, even in his day, had the gospel preached to them. Even the Native Americans, Asians, Pacific Islanders?

-1 Corinthians 15:36, Paul shows his ignorance (and God's) of biology by saying that only dead seeds will germinate. Actually, a seed must be alive to germinate.

-James 3:7 James says that, even in his day, all beasts, birds, serpents, and sea creatures had been tamed by humans.

[Cranky Old Man]

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Jesus is incorrect

When are you going to learn that God is always right and you are always wrong?

[Sister Pamela Thompson]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

-The Bible is untrue and I hate God because I'm a Russian communist.

This Sunday morning at church I'm going to request that our entire congregation pray for you.

[True Disciple]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

- Matthew 13:31-32 Jesus is incorrect when he says that the mustard seed is the smallest seed. And since there are no trees in the mustard family, mustard seeds do not grow into "the greatest of all trees."

If Jesus says that the mustard seed is the smallest of them all, and mustard trees are taller than any other trees, then so it is. Who are you to contradict Jesus? Jesus is God, who created the Heavens and the Earth, including mustard seeds. I would think he'd know everything about it, wouldn't you?

-Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
Jesus believed that sex and Adam and Eve were created "from the beginning." But the universe is about 13.6 billion years old, the earth 4.6 billion, sex a billion years or so, and humans (depending on how you define "human") for a couple million years.

You are repeating atheist evilutionist lies as though they were facts. The Earth is no billions of years old.

-John 1:28 "These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing." But no such site is known in history. Some translations (ASV, NAB, NIV, RSV, NRSV) rename Bethabara as Bethany, but Bethany is a suburb of Jerusalem and, therefore, not "beyond the Jordan."

Names of places change through the years. That you can't find it on a map does not mean it doesn't exist, you silly girl.

-John 3:6 "The wind bloeth where it listeth."
Jesus says that no one knows which way the wind is blowing. But, of course, he was wrong about that. The direction and speed of the wind are easily measured.

Moving air usually behaves very turbulently. So, you can't say for any individual gust of wind whether it will pass the palm tree on the left hand side, the right hand side, or will split and flow around it.

-Acts 28:3-8 says Paul is bitten by a poisonous snake in Malta. There are no poisonous snakes in Malta, and there is no evidence of there ever having been.

You're wrong, there is evidence, Acts 28:3-8 is evidence.

- Romans 10:18, Paul says that everyone, even in his day, had the gospel preached to them. Even the Native Americans, Asians, Pacific Islanders?

If he says it is so, it is. Maybe, they heard the gospel through visions and dreams.

-1 Corinthians 15:36, Paul shows his ignorance (and God's) of biology by saying that only dead seeds will germinate. Actually, a seed must be alive to germinate.

That's just a matter of how you define "dead" and "alive." Clearly, modern biology has redefined these terms in order to make this Passage sound silly.

-James 3:7 James says that, even in his day, all beasts, birds, serpents, and sea creatures had been tamed by humans.

He was there, you were not. Additionally, he had the Mind of Christ (1 Cor. 2:16). I would think he knows best then, wouldn't he?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Dear Bogdana:

Thank you for proving so exhaustively that sick-ular "history" and "science" are fallible and in fact usually wrong, since they so rarely agree with reality as described in the King James Bible.

[Sylvia]

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Here is the correct and TRUE Word from the KJV1611

Matthew 8:28-34

"And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.

So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils.

And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought him that he would depart out of their coasts."

If you had researched a little, you would realize that Gergesa (NOT GEDARA) was a small town on the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee.

Gergesa is modern day Kursi. There is a large mountain, 2,000 feet high, that slopes steeply downward and into the Sea of Galilee. At this location, there is only 40 feet of land from the base of the mountains to the water. There is a dedication to Jesus' casting the possession into swine at that very location too.

I do hope that clarifies matters for you.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

Thank you Sister Phebe. This is a great enhancement on my Bible Study of the middle of the night

( Maybe I should once more try some Chamomile tea to help me get to sleep I often wonder if this would be happening had the Lord spared my husband )


It is a shame when they do not do their research first indeed

[Samuel Coleridge]

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This Sunday morning at church I'm going to request that our entire congregation pray for you.

I have no doubt you will. Just admit it. The entire Bible is allegorical. It isn't meant to be followed literally.

Your Steward in Christ,
Sam

[Phebe Carlyle]

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I have no doubt you will. Just admit it. The entire Bible is allegorical. It isn't meant to be followed literally.

Your Steward in Christ,
Sam

Tell that to satan while you are burning in hell.

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow