Disturbing Bible passage

[waywardJim]

My atheist buddy was complaining about how sick the Bible is and told me of a Godly fellow in the Bible who promised a sacrifice to God if God helped him out. God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

What is the point of this part of the Bible? Does God like these innocent sacrafices? Was this fellow punished?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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My atheist buddy was complaining about how sick the Bible is and told me of a Godly fellow in the Bible who promised a sacrifice to God if God helped him out. God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

What is the point of this part of the Bible? Does God like these innocent sacrafices? Was this fellow punished?

He made a deal with God and he held up his end. Why would he be punished?

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

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His daughter might have just finished masturbating with an idol or something.

[Brother Harold Porter]

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My atheist buddy was complaining about how sick the Bible is and told me of a Godly fellow in the Bible who promised a sacrifice to God if God helped him out. God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

What is the point of this part of the Bible? Does God like these innocent sacrafices? Was this fellow punished?

This is typical of the lazy and cowardly God-hating atheist. To flip through the Bible, find a verse that he couldn't possibly understand, ignore context and simplify what is not so simple.

Your idiot friend refers to Judges 11. Let's have a look at what Scripture actually says.

30: And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

The joo makes an unsolicited "vow" with God. The Lord never asked for one.

31: Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

Notice the bold. He didn't say "whomsoever" or "them". He was clearly referring to the goat or sheep that often frequented the courtyards of homes.

32: So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands.

God surely could have planned to do this without any "vow" or "deal". Neither here or in the rest of the chapter does God ask Jephthah to kill anything.

34: And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.
35: And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.

Here the joo realizes his folly. He never expected his daughter to be the first that he saw. But it is HIS intention to "go through with it". God is not asking him to kill his daughter.

36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37: And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
38: And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

Perhaps she would not have been sacrificed had she not ASKED to be?

39: And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

And the joo killed her anyway, even after two months to think it over. Do you think God would have waited two months for blood without a reminder? Of course not.

This is just an illustration of the dangers of the psychopathic joos. Is it any wonder that the hebes would murder Jesus Christ when they so casually murder their own children?

In Jesus.

[Bobby-Joe]

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This is typical of the lazy and cowardly God-hating atheist. To flip through the Bible, find a verse that he couldn't possibly understand, ignore context and simplify what is not so simple.
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Perhaps she would not have been sacrificed had she not ASKED to be?


And the joo killed her anyway, even after two months to think it over. Do you think God would have waited two months for blood without a reminder? Of course not.

This is just an illustration of the dangers of the psychopathic joos. Is it any wonder that the hebes would murder Jesus Christ when they so casually murder their own children?

In Jesus.

You speak TRUTH here Brother. This is all typical liberal "blame the victim" stuff. The victim here being Jephthah. His daughter new Jephthah was obliged to kill the first person so she knowingly and deliberately made sure she was that person just to hurt her father.

Know everyone points at Jephthah and calls him a crazy, blood soaked lunatic, while his harlot daughter gets off free.

[James Hutchins]

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My atheist buddy was complaining about how sick the Bible is and told me of a Godly fellow in the Bible who promised a sacrifice to God if God helped him out. God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

What is the point of this part of the Bible? Does God like these innocent sacrafices? Was this fellow punished?

I sure hope he burned her, God was pretty specific about it. If he did not, he is a murderer.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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My atheist buddy

You will not get to heaven having an "atheist buddy".

2 Timothy 3:8 KJV Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

a Godly fellow in the Bible who promised a sacrifice to God if God helped him out. God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

What is the point of this part of the Bible? Does God like these innocent sacrifices?

You speak of Judges 31:11-40. The point is that Jephthah swore an oath to the Lord of Hosts. This is an oath that should never be broken. Indeed, it is so serious an undertaking that you should not do it save in extreme circumstances (e.g. giving evidence and getting married.)

Was this fellow punished?

Yes, allegedly his conscience trouble him for quite a while after he had set fire to his daughter.

The story is interesting on another level - you will note that God did not intervene as it was a girl who was sacrificed, whereas, with Abraham and Isaac, God did step in as it was a son whose life was at risk.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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My atheist buddy was complaining about how sick the Bible is and told me of a Godly fellow in the Bible who promised a sacrifice to God if God helped him out. God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

What is the point of this part of the Bible? Does God like these innocent sacrafices? Was this fellow punished?

I'm sure that the entire Holy Bible is "disturbing" to a filthy tree-hugging socialist like you. Each and every page reveals a new reason why you are condemned to hellfire. Jesus loves you that much, friend.

My urgent advice is that you repent and beg Christ to accept you.

[handmaiden]

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There is indeed much that is disturbing in the Holy Bible.

The reason for this is that overarching theme of the Bible is a just and Holy God dealing with a depraved and fallen humanity.

God has His hands full in the Bible. People keep disobeying Him and flouting His commands.

He, in turn, has to keep coming down on humanity harder and harder. Perfect submission to God is hard to find in the Bible, but when you do read about it, it moves one's spirit and encourages one's faith in the human potential.

As long as we obey God in all things, we mere mortals can be uplifted to a higher plain of being and behaving.

When we turn from God, the results are ugly in the extreme.


Proclaimingly Yours,

Handmaiden

[BelieverInGod]

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I'm not really understanding the problem with this scripture. How many people make a million promises to God if he gets them out of problems (Oh God if you get me that new job, I promise I'll tithe 15% of the Gross, I'll feed the poor, I'll give up smoking, etc.) Yet if God does step up, they have another million reasons why they didn't keep their promise.

Do you think you're not going to get asked about such things on Judgment day? At least Jephthah kept the promise he made to God. That's one up on about 99% of the people I know.

There are two morals to this tale
1) Don't be making promises you don't want to keep
2) If you make a promise to God, you better keep it

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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My atheist buddy was complaining about how sick the Bible is and told me of a Godly fellow in the Bible who promised a sacrifice to God if God helped him out. God helped him and so this fellow promised to kill the first person who walked out of his front door when he got home. When he got home his daughter walked out to great him so he killed her.

What is the point of this part of the Bible? Does God like these innocent sacrafices? Was this fellow punished?

He didn't promise to kill the first person, but whatever was first to come to meet him. He mistakenly assumed that an animal would come out first.

He also made the promise BEFORE God helped him. Then he received the help, and did as he had promised.

Jephthah is a hero, why would he be punished for doing what he promised?

If God didn't want the girl sacrificed, He could very easily have stopped the sacrifice, as He did when he ordered Abraham to sacrifice his son as a test of his obedience.

[waywardJim]

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This is typical of the lazy and cowardly God-hating atheist. To flip through the Bible, find a verse that he couldn't possibly understand, ignore context and simplify what is not so simple.

Your idiot friend refers to Judges 11. Let's have a look at what Scripture actually says.



The joo makes an unsolicited "vow" with God. The Lord never asked for one.



Notice the bold. He didn't say "whomsoever" or "them". He was clearly referring to the goat or sheep that often frequented the courtyards of homes.



God surely could have planned to do this without any "vow" or "deal". Neither here or in the rest of the chapter does God ask Jephthah to kill anything.




Here the joo realizes his folly. He never expected his daughter to be the first that he saw. But it is HIS intention to "go through with it". God is not asking him to kill his daughter.



Perhaps she would not have been sacrificed had she not ASKED to be?



And the joo killed her anyway, even after two months to think it over. Do you think God would have waited two months for blood without a reminder? Of course not.

This is just an illustration of the dangers of the psychopathic joos. Is it any wonder that the hebes would murder Jesus Christ when they so casually murder their own children?

In Jesus.

Mr. Porter i honestly had never heard anything like that before. Thanks, I'll ask my Bible studying girlfriend if she knew about this Jewish business.

[waywardJim]

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You will not get to heaven having an "atheist buddy".

2 Timothy 3:8 KJV Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. You speak of Judges 31:11-40. The point is that Jephthah swore an oath to the Lord of Hosts. This is an oath that should never be broken. Indeed, it is so serious an undertaking that you should not do it save in extreme circumstances (e.g. giving evidence and getting married.)Yes, allegedly his conscience trouble him for quite a while after he had set fire to his daughter.

The story is interesting on another level - you will note that God did not intervene as it was a girl who was sacrificed, whereas, with Abraham and Isaac, God did step in as it was a son whose life was at risk.

Yes I know from what I have read God favors men.

[waywardJim]

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I'm sure that the entire Holy Bible is "disturbing" to a filthy tree-hugging socialist like you. Each and every page reveals a new reason why you are condemned to hellfire. Jesus loves you that much, friend.

My urgent advice is that you repent and beg Christ to accept you.

I did; in my younger days. I live a quiet, moral life and then found out that God was supposedly speaking to half of the people of the world so I searched for faith for years, went to church, kept "good" company, prayed and gave it my honest, sincerest effort. I begged to know what half of the world seemed to know. Then i got older, my world got bigger and i studied philosophy, religion and science. Now I look back on that time in the same way as i was a kid letting go of the idea of Santa Clause.

[Palmer C. Eldrich]

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Are you sure you are in the Bible Belt? I don't know any American who would mis-spell Santa Claus' name.