[Mother Of Seven]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Ruth was a Moabite who married Boaz and they begat Obed. Obed begat Jesse and Jesse begat David (Ruth 4:17). So she was the great grandmother of David. She is thus the ancestor of Joseph the carpenter who married Jesus' mother, Mary.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Aparently, the Moabites have moved over to Utah to live among the unsaved Mormans, where they have reestablished their kingdom and have named it Moab, as they did before.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

So does that mean Jesus was not the product of incest..?

Ruth was a Moabite who married Boaz and they begat Obed. Obed begat Jesse and Jesse begat David (Ruth 4:17). So she was the great grandmother of David. She is thus the ancestor of Joseph the carpenter who married Jesus' mother, Mary.

I'm getting very confused now. Those sons-in-law, they thought Lot was mocking (like those fools who thought Noah had gone mad). Therefore I suppose the sons-in-law were well into it which would suggest their wives, Lot's daughters, were similarly envenomed prancing around in fancy dress among the sodomites which would be rather disappointing for them and no matter how much fluoro lycra they put on—or removed—or.. or..

[Mother Of Seven]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

So does that mean Jesus was not the product of incest..?

Of course not! Joseph was not related to Jesus. He was sort of his adopted father, but not blood related.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Of course not! Joseph was not related to Jesus. He was sort of his adopted father, but not blood related.

So was it Mary who was of the line and lineage of David?

Psalm 91:1-4b He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust:
KJV .. look up , whole psalm

Then I read:

Luke 1:28a And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee:
31-35…behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
KJV .. look up , whole passage

..which made me start thinking about another Psalm concerning shadows because yesterday I was walking past the railway station, that is to say I was about to start walking when an eagle plonked itself down in a tree there was an awful lot of flapping and stuff I think it must've got stuck or something but the point is that it was blocking out the sun, so I was in the shadow of its wings. That reminded me of Leda and the swan and I started to feel sick: it was quite sunny; I'd been standing there for about an hour.

Now W. B. Yeats is a complete reprobate as we know, promoting—like so many poets—the depravity inherent in every non-Christian heart. And since he does promote depravity, we know that he is not a Christian.

A sudden blow: the great wings beating still
Above the staggering girl, her thighs caressed
By the dark webs, her nape caught in his bill,
He holds her helpless breast upon his breast.

How can those terrified vague fingers push
The feathered glory from her loosening thighs?
And how can body, laid in that white rush,
But feel the strange heart beating where it lies?

A shudder in the loins engenders there
The broken wall, the burning roof and tower
And Agamemnon dead.

Being so caught up,

So mastered by the brute blood of the air,
Did she put on his knowledge with his power
Before the indifferent beak could let her drop?

William Butler Yeats

Like just how ridiculous do these crazies think we are?
And this is supposed to explain Castor and Pollux & the pope's eggshell hat?
Give us a break, there wasn't any Leda and she never obsessed over any swan, as we know because Mount Olympus is empty and bleak with nary a Zeus to be seen.

CLOSE UP HERE

So, I returned to the inerrant Word Of God. To Psalms, a lovely book, many of them written by that very David. Hallelujah!

Psalm 63:6-7 When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches. Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.
KJV .. look up , whole psalm

Jesus, then, has no taint of Moab? That is reassuring. I'm glad I wasn't indoctrinated into garbled & nonsensical pagan cultic traditions with all the orgiastic customs exemplified in Gomorrah from which both just Lot II Peter 2:7 and obedient Abraham Hebrews 11:8 were delivered. Just think of the consequences if God had not warned them what He was about to do! No King David, no Solomon, no exemplar for Jesus. But God is merciful and in His Lovingkindness He did spare Lot even as those wretches and their wretched children and their despicable babies were blasted into the lower parts of the earth.

[Mother Of Seven]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Luke ( Luke 3:23-38) and Matthew ( Matthew 1:1–17) both trace the geneology of Joseph through David but not Mary, although the 2 accounts differ somewhat. But as a woman is not important, Mary's geneology is also unimportant and not documented. Only papists would argue otherwise.

[Realisrealite]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

I find it interesting that the Christian Church wants Christ to return but are not interested in finding out who Christ's people are according to the flesh. Because there is no such scripture that says spiritual Jews! That's just madness! The blacks that were brought to this side of the world in cargo slave ships are the Biblical Jews! Song of Solomon(The son of King David) 1:5 states "I AM BLACK BUT COMELY"! Deuteronomy chapter 28,The churches say it's a chapter on blessings and curses but for who? It's actually prophecy. And genesis the 49th chapter is where you can start to find the other tribes who are the native Americans and the Hispanics! Those Europeans in Israel since 1948 are descendants of Esau through Amalek yet claim to Ashkenazi bit Ashkenazi was the first son of Gomer who was a son of Japheth. But Christians are very gullible believing anything the Jewish give them! I feel very sorry for those who are supporting the modern state of Israel which Revelation 2:9 calls them the Synagogue of Satan. My hope is that they wake up and realize themselves that they have been lied to and come to accept the truth. Shalom

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

I find it interesting that the Christian Church wants Christ to return but are not interested in finding out who Christ's people are according to the flesh. Because there is no such scripture that says spiritual Jews! That's just madness! The blacks that were brought to this side of the world in cargo slave ships are the Biblical Jews!



Shalom

Friend, I am up in years and not as quick as I once was, but I cannot make sense of your post. Hence I deleted the most inane of your confusing twaddle in my reply. And I really doubt you will find anyone here interested in the genealogy of the hook-nosed.

You are a negro? Or you are a hebe? I imagine it is demonically possible for you to actually be a kike spade, but what exactly are you apologizing for?

In Christ Jesus.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

I find it interesting that the Christian Church wants Christ to return but are not interested in finding out who Christ's people are according to the flesh. Because there is no such scripture that says spiritual Jews! That's just madness! The blacks that were brought to this side of the world in cargo slave ships are the Biblical Jews! Song of Solomon(The son of King David) 1:5 states "I AM BLACK BUT COMELY"! Deuteronomy chapter 28,The churches say it's a chapter on blessings and curses but for who? It's actually prophecy. And genesis the 49th chapter is where you can start to find the other tribes who are the native Americans and the Hispanics! Those Europeans in Israel since 1948 are descendants of Esau through Amalek yet claim to Ashkenazi bit Ashkenazi was the first son of Gomer who was a son of Japheth. But Christians are very gullible believing anything the Jewish give them! I feel very sorry for those who are supporting the modern state of Israel which Revelation 2:9 calls them the Synagogue of Satan. My hope is that they wake up and realize themselves that they have been lied to and come to accept the truth. Shalom

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

The blacks that were brought to this side of the world in cargo slave ships are the Biblical Jews!

I have heard of Negroes here in America who believe they are Jews. Also, there are Negroes in Jamaica who talk kinda Jew, but they worship the King of Ethiopia. I think this is one of the Negroes who thinks he's a Jew. That is ridiculous.

Look here, swami, you Negroes aren't Jews, you're Negroes. You must be teched.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Amen Brother Moss - I'm tired to the nigra's thinking they are Egyptian Pharos, Cleopatra, and just about anything else they've tried to come up with. They are just sons of Ham, just like the Bible (KJV1611) says - period.

[notwahwC4ever]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Gen.9:25-27 and 10:6-20 especially v.20 "These are the descendants of Ham, identified by clan, language, territory, and NATIONAL IDENTITY."
There was only one of Hams son named Canaan which he was cursed. Ham had 4 sons who were the fathers’ of differing nations. Ham was not cursed, nor Cush, Mizraim, or Phut, just Canaan.
1. Cush/Kush: means Black; (ancient ethiopia/africas and all the Africans can trace their lineage back to Cush. Holeman bible dictionary states: 1.Member of the tribe of Benjamin about whom the psalmist sang[Ps.7:1] Nothing else is known of him. 2. Son of Ham and grandson of Noah[Gen 10:8] Thus in the table of nations he is seen as the original ancestor of inhabitants of the land of Cush. 3. Nation situated South of Egypt with differing boundaries and perhaps including differing dark-skinned tribes [Jer. 13:23 KJV 23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.GNB23Can a Nubian change the colour of his skin, or a leopard remove its spots? CEB 23 Can a Cushite change his skin
or a leopard its spots?] at different periods of history. The Hebrew word Cush has been traditionally translated “Ethiopia,” following the Septuagint, or earliest Greek translation, but Cush was not identical with Ethiopia as presently known. Moses wife came from Cush [Num. 12:1Moses had married a Cushite
woman, and Miriam and Aaron criticized him for it. ])
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The word Cushi, also spelled Kushi (Hebrew: כושי) is a Hebrew term generally used to refer to a dark-skinned person usually of Africandescent. Initially the word was used by Hebrew-speaking Jews to refer to individuals of Ethiopian origin, derived from the Biblical land of Cush.Cush or Kush is the name of an ancient ethnic group who came from the land of Kush, centered on the Upper Nile and Nubia (modern-day Sudan). Mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, they are considered descendants of Noah's grandson, Cush the son of Ham.
According to Ethiopian historians, the Kushite Empire also controlled the mountainous regions around the source of the Blue Nile at first, and the Cushitic and Agaw peoples of Ethiopia (including the Bete Israel or Ethiopian Jews, who have largely migrated to Israel) still maintain traditions of descent from Cush. In ancient times the term Cushi (plural Chushim) in Hebrew could denote any African or black individual, translating the Greco-Roman termAethiops.[1]
In Modern Israeli Hebrew usage, the term Cushi was not initially used as a pejorative term. At times, it was even used to refer fondly to a person of dark skin or a red haired person. It is used as a term of endearment in the case of the renowned Israeli commando of Yemenite extraction, Shimon "Kushi" Rimon (1939–present).[2][3]
In 2012, Kiryat Arba's Chief Rabbi Dov Lior referred to US President Barack Obama as a "kushi" of the West.[4]
It is generally understood as a derogatory word when referring to Ethiopian Jews today, but is still used to refer to Africans in general.[1][5] While some translators associate it with the Englishslur "nigger", the terms are not equivalent.[1]
2. Mizraim: the hebrew word for Egypt
3. Put/Phut: Identified with Lybia perhaps with the city of Cyrene
4. Canaan: Sidonians, Jebusites, Amorites, Girgasites, Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, Arvadites, Zemarites, Hamathites

Now let's break these down to modern day Canaanites:
1. Sidon: Located in the South Governorant of Lebanon
2. Jebusites: modern day Syria
3. Amorites: modern day Syria
4. Girgasites: at times they are not listed with the other Canaanite tribes, this is because they left the land of Israel before the Israelites returned from Egypt.
5. Hivites: they are found in Gibeon, Shechem, below Hermon in the land of Mizpah, and in the Lebabon mountains
6. Arkites: Modern Lebanon
7. Sinites: possibly the people from the northern part of Lebanon
8. Arvadites: inhabited an island city that is now Syria
9. Zemarites: they inhabited Zemar, a city near the coast of present day Syria
10. Hamathites: They inhabited the kingdom of Hamath located in what is now Western Syria and Northern Lebanon.
(Later on the Canaanite clans scattered and the border of Canaan reached across the mediterranean coast, from Sidon toward Gerar, as far as Gaza, and then inland around the Jordan Valley toward Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim. These 4 cities were destroyed by Yahweh with sulfur and brimstone. The only city that was spared was Zoar aka Bela.) Gerar: a Philistine town modern day South Central Israel.
Gaza: the largest city in the state of Palastine.
The modern day Moabites live in the Central-Western part of Jordan(Moab is the historical name for a mountainous strip of land in modern-day Jordan running along the eastern shore of the Dead Sea. In ancient times, it was home to the kingdom of the Moabites, a people often in conflict with their Israelite neighbors to the west.)

And the Jedusites are not the Yoruba people of Africa more likely modern day Syria.(this was in response to someone posting that the Ammorites and Moabites were Japanese and Chinese People and the Jebusites were the Yoruba peoples of Nigeria, it’s not so)
they were allowed to live among the Israelites, the Jebusites and other Amorite tribes maintained their distinctive ways and thus became a continuing snare to the people of Israel. When Ezra the priest led a revival among the Jews who returned from the Babylonian captivity, he had to deal with the issue of intermarriage with Jebusites and others (Ezra 9:1). Ezra commanded the men of Israel to confess their sins and put away their pagan wives so that God would take away His wrath.

After this, the Jebusites disappear from history; likely, they were absorbed into the other Gentile peoples who lived in the land of Israel. An extra-biblical reference to the Jebusites may be contained in one of the tablets discovered at Mari, in modern-day Syria. One cuneiform tablet mentions a people called the “Yabusiim,” which could very well be a reference to the Jebusites.

[Basilissa]

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plagiarized wall of text

Sweetie, to our Godly forum!

We would love to get to know you a little better, and you could do that by making a thread in the (aptly named) Introduction Forum. When you do that, please try to: a) follow the directions spelled out on the top of that page, b) be brief, and c) post your own content instead of plagiarizing text written by other authors.

I impatiently await reading your introduction!

[GordonJ]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

Deuteronomy 23:3. Best quote in a long time.
Get those damned Muslims out of the Promised Land.t heir a bunch of blasphemers. Good job. Because they were never muslims if they defecate in their city limits anyways...

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Who are the Moabites and Ammonites now?

The Moabites are the Chinese people.The Ammonites are the Japanese people as you know these poeple have been in the earth for dynasties, and are still here today just as the children of Isreal are here.

I've removed the bit about Yoruba.

What happens when disbelievers try thinking? Sparks? It has escaped Cynthia, well I doubt it was there there in the first place to be honest but anyway, that EVERYONE ALIVE ON THE EARTH is still here today and will therefore have an unbroken line of decent from earliest peoples.

Then we come to notwahwC4ever. Again I'm removing references to African tribes so here's the later list:

Now let's break these down to modern day Canaanites:
1. Sidon: Located in the South Governorant of Lebanon
2. Jebusites: modern day Syria
3. Amorites: modern day Syria
4. Girgasites: at times they are not listed with the other Canaanite tribes, this is because they left the land of Israel before the Israelites returned from Egypt.
5. Hivites: they are found in Gibeon, Shechem, below Hermon in the land of Mizpah, and in the Lebabon mountains
6. Arkites: Modern Lebanon
7. Sinites: possibly the people from the northern part of Lebanon
8. Arvadites: inhabited an island city that is now Syria
9. Zemarites: they inhabited Zemar, a city near the coast of present day Syria
10. Hamathites: They inhabited the kingdom of Hamath located in what is now Western Syria and Northern Lebanon.

NEHEMIAH 9 . KJV . look up
7 Thou art the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say , to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:

When people ignore what God says there are always consequences. The Israelites frequently made idols and as a result were ejected from the land God promised them. When they returned to doing what He said they returned there. At the time of His promise the nations were listed. Let's compare God's list with the one posted.

DEUTERONOMY 7 . KJV . look up
1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

As we saw in Nehemiah God's promise was fulfilled and in Deuteronomy we can see what the promise was and how it was to be effected. Utter destruction. That means they became extinct.

Sidon
Jebusites UTTER DESTRUCTION
Amorites UTTER DESTRUCTION
Girgasites UTTER DESTRUCTION
Hivites UTTER DESTRUCTION
Arkites
Sinites
Arvadites
Zemarites
Hamathites

• . • . • . • . • . • . •

JOSHUA 3 . KJV . look up
9 And Joshua said unto the children of Israel, Come hither, and hear the words of the LORD your God.
10 And Joshua said, Hereby ye shall know that the living God is among you, and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.

We have seen how God promised without fail to drive out those peoples and how His promise was fulfilled. Those peoples no longer exist. They are extinct. These are ex-peoples.

Five others remain unaddressed. That's six altogether:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Sidon is a city, not a nation. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Sidon

Arkites

Sinites

Arvadites

Zemarites

Hamathites

So I have no idea why they were on the list. The reason being because The Bible doesn't mention them. One might as well have included Spratly Islanders or alpha-Centaurians for all the relevance they'd have. And that's what I mean. Do these posters think before posting? Are there sparks? We know how rarely they read The Bible but sometimes I wonder if they ever think at all.