[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

You keep talking about "evidence", "studies", and "science", when you're ignoring the overwhelming evidence right there in front of you, in the Bible.
It's obvious that God wrote it, because it says so right there, and God doesn't lie.

AMEN!! Preach it!!

[HalleJulia]

Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

You keep talking about "evidence", "studies", and "science", when you're ignoring the overwhelming evidence right there in front of you, in the Bible.
It's obvious that God wrote it, because it says so right there, and God doesn't lie.

Why would God lie?!? He has no reason to lie. People lie. Including scholars. They have to prove their point.

God IS the proof = God doesn't need to lie!!!

[Master Gordon]

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Why would God lie?!? He has no reason to lie. People lie. Including scholars. They have to prove their point.

God IS the proof = God doesn't need to lie!!!

Even if they do come up with some concocted proof that will not change the fact that God does exist and he is revealed to us in the pages of KJV1611 Bible. Any proof they think they have come up with would have been the work of the devil, the filthy unsaved Godless lot.

[handmaiden]

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How could anyone doubt the Bible when it all flows together so seemlessly and has beeb delivered to us unaltered across the millenia?



Confidently Yours,

Handmaiden

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Micah - Supposedly the work of the prophet Micah who lived in the 8th century BCE, most likely only the first three chapters are from this period, the rest being later additions from redactors. Chapters 3-5 "foretell" events of the 6th century, and chapters 6-7 discuss aspects of Judaism that did not become common until much later. This hopeful material contradicts the dire warnings of the opening chapters.

Habakkuk - A short work by an almost anonymous author (the Bible tells us nothing about who this Habakkuk character is), the first two chapters seem to be the work of another author then the last one.

Zephaniah - Supposedly the work of the 7th century BCE author, the language and themes of the book suggest it was written as late as the 2nd century BCE, perhaps based on an earlier work.

[True Disciple]

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Micah - Supposedly the work of the prophet Micah who lived in the 8th century BCE, most likely only the first three chapters are from this period, the rest being later additions from redactors. Chapters 3-5 "foretell" events of the 6th century, and chapters 6-7 discuss aspects of Judaism that did not become common until much later. This hopeful material contradicts the dire warnings of the opening chapters.

Habakkuk - A short work by an almost anonymous author (the Bible tells us nothing about who this Habakkuk character is), the first two chapters seem to be the work of another author then the last one.

Zephaniah - Supposedly the work of the 7th century BCE author, the language and themes of the book suggest it was written as late as the 2nd century BCE, perhaps based on an earlier work.

Just more baseless accusations. The first chapters "seem to be of another author." To who? You? To me, it certainly doesn't. Why don't you reply to anything we say?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Zechariah - The different style of chapters 9-14 suggest another author from the first eight, possibly a disciple of Zechariah writing under his name.

Malachi - Misinterpretation has led Christians to believe this is the work of a prophey called Malachi - in fact Malachi is a Hebrew word meaning "Messenger", so it is of unknown authorship. There is great similarity in writing style between Zechariah 9-14 and Malachi. Among other things, both these works refer to the author as "Oracle, the word of Yahweh". Most likely, Malachi and the latter half of Zechariah were originally one work, and at some point got broken up and half of it added to the end of Zechariah.

Matthew - According to ancient tradition, this is the first gospel written and the work of the Apostle Matthew. However, given that the evidence shows it was written in the late first century, between 60 and 85 CE (probably after 70 since he mentions the destruction of the Temple) it is doubtful the author (probably a Jewish convert to Christianity) ever met Jesus. Matthew would have had to been remarkably old for his time. It seems more likely that Matthew is actually an expansion of the Gospel of Mark, and Matthew edits confusing parts of Mark to make it clearer to the reader. Also, he probably copied from another source, which Luke also used, which explains similarities between Matthew and Luke not found in Mark. Apart from these two sources, some believe Matthew may have worked from an additional two sources, the traditions of Jerusalem, Antioch and Rome, while Luke wrote in the traditions of Caesarea. Even in the early church there were many who doubted Matthew's authorship. Jerome, Papias, Irenaeus, Pantaeunus, Clement of Alexandria and Origen disagreed.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Mark - Supposedly the work of Mark, a disciple of Peter, this gospel seems lacking in Petrine tradition. Contains many errors about the geography and culture of Galilee, making it unlikely to have originated from Peter's words or an eyewitness of the events.

Luke - Like Matthew, borrowed from Mark and another source to compose this gospel. It was most likely written between 80-90 CE, pretty late for a companion of Paul to be alive, as the tradition states. The theology of the gospel certainly does not seem of the Pauline variety, but a harmonization of traditions that occured at least ten years after Paul's death. Some also believe that the openning birth narrative is the addition of a later author.

John - Supposedly written by the Apostle John, the Alogi of the 2nd century claimed it was written by a Gnostic who never knew Jesus. John, a fisherman, would likely have been illiterate (Acts 4:13 calls John unschooled and ordinary), and unable to compose the beautiful language of this Gospel, or incorporate elements of Ancient Greek philosophy. It is also doubtful a Jew would compose such an anti-Semitic work. It is believed the end, which talks about the death of the author, is a later addition. Also, the section about the Woman caught in Adultery is missing in the oldest manuscripts and is certainly a later addition. Differences in the composition of the Greek, such as breaks and inconsistencies in sequence, repetitions in the discourse, and passages that clearly do not belong in their context, suggest redaction.

Acts - The beginning claims this account was gathered from the testimonies of eyewitnesses. However, Acts borrows phraseology and plot elements from Euripides' play, The Bacchae, and also borrows heavily from Josephus, which indicates a late composition date. Historically, it is inaccurate in many parts.

Like most biblical books, there are differences between the earliest surviving manuscripts of Acts. In the case of Acts, however, the differences between the surviving manuscripts are more substantial. The two earliest versions of manuscripts are the Western text-type (as represented by the Codex Bezae) and the Alexandrian text-type (as represented by the Codex Sinaiticus). The version of Acts preserved in the Western manuscripts contains about 10% more content than the Alexandrian version of Acts. Since the difference is so great, scholars have struggled to determine which of the two versions is closer to the original text composed by the original author.
A third class of manuscripts, known as the Byzantine text-type, is often considered to have developed after the Western and Alexandrian types. While differing from both of the other types, the Byzantine type has more similarity to the Alexandrian than to the Western type. The extant manuscripts of this type date from the 5th century or later. The Byzantine text-type served as the basis for the 16th century Textus Receptus, the first Greek-language version of the New Testament to be printed by printing press. The Textus Receptus, in turn, served as the basis for the New Testament found in the English-language King James Bible.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Ephesians - Although the opening verse claims this was written by Paul, this is doubtful. The author seems to have never personally met the people of Ephesus, although in Acts it states Paul he helped found the church. (Although, the words, "to the Ephesians", in the opening chapter are a late additionr , not present in the earliest manuscripts. So if you want to believe Paul really wrote it, you will have to admit a mistake in your KJV.)

Colossians - Another forgery, written by an anonymous author under Paul's name. The writing style is totally different from Paul's. He uses different words, he writes in a liturgical-hymnic style that he writes in nowhere else, his theology does not seem to match Paul's works.

1 Thessalonians - Although believed to be largely the work of Paul, their is evidence of later editing and redaction. For example,

1 Thes. 2:13-16 have often been regarded as a post-Pauline interpolation. The following arguments have been based on the content: (1) It is perceived to be theologically incompatible with Paul's other epistles: elsewhere Paul attributed Jesus's death to the "rulers of this age"(1 Cor 2:8) rather than to the Jews, and elsewhere Paul writes that the Jews have not been abandoned by God for "all Israel will be saved"(Rom 11:26); According to 1 Thes 1:10, the wrath of God is still to come, it is not something that has already shown itself [4](2) There were no extensive historical persecutions of Christians by Jews in Palestine prior to the first Jewish war[5] (3) The use of the concept of imitation in 1 Thes. 2.14 is singular. (4) The aorist eftasen ("has overtaken") refers to the destruction of Jerusalem[6] (5) The syntax of 1 Thes. 2:13-16 deviates significantly from that of the surrounding context.

It is also sometimes suggested that 1 Thes. 5:1-11 is a post-Pauline insertion that has many features of Lukan language and theology that serves as an apologetic correction to Paul's imminent expectation of the second coming in 1 Thes. 4:13-18.[8]

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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2 Thessalonians - Supposedly the work of Paul, it is probably the work of one of Paul's disciples after his death.

1 Timothy - The vocabulary and teaching style of this letter is radically different from other Pauline epistles, and was probably written after Paul's time.

[True Disciple]

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[Bogdana Alkeav]

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2 Timothy - Like 1st Timothy, probably written by a disciple of Paul after his death.

Titus - On the basis of the language and content of the pastoral epistles, these scholars today doubt that they were written by Paul, and believe that they were written after his death. Critics examining the text fail to find its vocabulary and literary style similar to Paul's unquestionably authentic letters, fail to fit the life situation of Paul in the epistles into Paul's reconstructed biography, and identify principles of the emerged Christian church rather than those of the apostolic generation.

Those scholars who consider Titus to be pseudepigraphical date the epistle from the 80s up to the end of the 2nd century.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Listen lady; we Christians have the TRUTH(tm) here and THE TRUTH(tm) always trumps the facts. All I see here are facts from you so I am not impressed with assertions. Sure most of The Bible was probably forged in the 6th Century AD but guess who did the forging? God! Clearly thought the story He had put in The Bible was better than what really happened so that makes it TRUTH(tm)

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Bogdana, why do you hate Jesus so much?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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Hebrews - Supposedly a letter by Paul to Hebrews, it is none of the above. It's style indicates it certainly was not by Paul, and its theology is reaching for a Greek audience, not Jewish.

James - Supposedly written by James, brother of Jesus, scholars place it to the late 1st/early 2nd century, after James' death.

1 Peter - Supposedly written by Peter, most likely written after Peter's death from 75-112 CE