[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Hi Bogdana



What makes you think he did things instantly? If you think rationally

That was not the tiniest bit rational.

Are you saying God isn't capable of instantly creating the world habitable? God is too weak to make the earth ready for the life he wanted on it right away?

And it's also not rational because you have not used any evidence at all to reach your conclusion. You are just making things up so that it fits into your religion.

There is just as much proof that in fact the earth was created by Zeus and was originally supposed to be the habitat for a race of giants, and the reason we don't find any large bones from olden times is that the giants ate all of them, and then they went to live on the sun and that's why we don't see them anymore. Yes. There is exactly as much proof for that as for what you said.

Creation is all about rational thinking.

Of course it is. When you don't understand something, a magic man in the sky did it.

[epignosis]

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That was not the tiniest bit rational.

Are you saying God isn't capable of instantly creating the world habitable? God is too weak to make the earth ready for the life he wanted on it right away?

And it's also not rational because you have not used any evidence at all to reach your conclusion. You are just making things up so that it fits into your religion.

There is just as much proof that in fact the earth was created by Zeus and was originally supposed to be the habitat for a race of giants, and the reason we don't find any large bones from olden times is that the giants ate all of them, and then they went to live on the sun and that's why we don't see them anymore. Yes. There is exactly as much proof for that as for what you said.

Of course it is. When you don't understand something, a magic man in the sky did it.

I never mentioned how long it would take God to create some individual animal.
The point is that the science and the bible do not conflict. They are in harmony with each other.

As for talking about giants, there is plenty of evidence that giants in the world. Though giants pose a real problem for the stories of the scientists.
Here is a link that tells to what degree the scientists will go to, to deceive people.

Here is an article I partially quoted:

(reprinted with permission)
Noted Native American author and professor of law emeritus, Vine Deloria, writes in a personal communication:

It's probably better that so few of the ruins and remains were tied in with the Smithsonian because they give good reason to believe the ending of the Indiana Jones movie—a great warehouse where the real secrets of earth history are buried.

Modern day archaeology and anthropology have nearly sealed the door on our imaginations, broadly interpreting the North American past as devoid of anything unusual in the way of great cultures characterized by a people of unusual demeanor. The great interloper of ancient burial grounds, the nineteenth century Smithsonian Institution, created a one-way portal, through which uncounted bones have been spirited. This door and the contents of its vault are virtually sealed off to anyone, but government officials. Among these bones may lay answers not even sought by these officials concerning the deep past.

The first hint we had about the possible existence of an actual race of tall, strong, and intellectually sophisticated people, was in researching old township and county records. Many of these were quoting from old diaries and letters that were combined, for posterity, in the 1800s from diaries going back to the 1700s. Says Vine in this understanding:

Some of these old county and regional history books contain real gems because the people were not subjected to a rigid indoctrination about evolution and were astonished about what they found and honestly reported it.

The title pages of the early county and pioneer history books often included phrases like "CAREFULLY WRITTEN AND COMPILED" and "LEST WE FORGET."

Some time before archaeology came to subscribe the general public to its view of prehistory—generations prior to Darwin's troublesome theory—the pioneers thought that some of the earthworks were as ancient as could be concurrent with human habitation in America. Some among the early settlers exercised their pens assured that the earthworks were not built by the direct ancestry of the native people living in the historical period, but rather were constructed in a more remote era encompassing a different social order. They compared the "Mound Builders," with the "Indians," clearly discerning the former as belonging to an earlier time—possessing a different fate or destiny from the latter.

Evidence for the occupation of this region before the appearance of the red man and the white race is to be found in almost every part of the county, as well as through the northwest generally. In removing the gravel bluffs, which are numerous and deep, for the construction and repair of roads, and in excavating cellars, hundreds of human skeletons, some of them of giant form, have been found. A citizen of Marion County estimates that there were about as many human skeletons in the knolls of Marion County as there are white inhabitants at present!

The History of Marion County, Ohio
(complied from past accounts, published in 1883)

Mastodonic remains are occasionally unearthed, and, from time to time, discoveries of the remains of Indian settlements are indicated by the appearance of gigantic skeletons, with the high cheek bones, powerful jaws and massive frames peculiar of the red man, who left these as the only record with which to form a clew to the history of past ages................

this article continues on

http://www.xpeditionsmagazine.com/magazine/articles/giants/holocaust.html

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

The point is that the science and the bible do not conflict. They are in harmony with each other.

The Bible and science are at odds with one another.

Here we can see that the earth is in a fixed position.

Psalm 93:1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

The sun revolves around the earth.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

And yes, the earth was created in six days, unless you want to try to say that the Ten Commandments are "symbolic" too. Why did the Jews keep the Sabbath in the first place?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I never mentioned how long it would take God to create some individual animal.
The point is that the science and the bible do not conflict. They are in harmony with each other.

Really? From Genesis 1:

Genesis (1:1-2:3) "In the beginning"
The first of two contradictory creation accounts. Compare with Genesis 2:4-25 in which the order of events is entirely different.

(1:1-2:3) The Genesis 1 account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis 1:1, the earth and "heaven" are created together "in the beginning," whereas according to current estimates, the earth and universe are about 4.6 and 13.7 billion years old, respectively.
In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars (1:16); birds and whales (1:21) before reptiles and insects (1:24); and flowering plants (1:11) before any animals (1:20). The order of events known from science is in each case just the opposite.



(1:6-8) The Firmament (Heaven)
God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters.



"Let the earth bring forth grass"
Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). Notice, though, that God lets "the earth bring forth" the plants, rather than creating them directly. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all.


(1:16) "God made the two great lights."
"The greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light; it only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky?



(1:16) "He made the stars also."
God spends a day making light (before making the sun and stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars.



(1:17) "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth."
Then why is only a tiny fraction of stars visible from earth? Under the best conditions, no more than a few thousand stars are visible with the unaided eye, yet there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy and a hundred billion or so galaxies. Were they all created "to give light upon the earth"?

As for talking about giants, there is plenty of evidence that giants in the world. Though giants pose a real problem for the stories of the scientists.
Here is a link that tells to what degree the scientists will go to, to deceive people.

Ha, I knew you would bring this up. I'm surprised you didn't mention that they are the children of fallen angels with the women of earth. They all died in the Great Flood, right?

Anyway, thanks for giving us all a very credible source there

Nevermind that you completely missed the point I was trying to make. Science and the Bible don't harmonize. You make them harmonize by ignoring the parts from both science and the Bible that you don't like. Explain to me, how do you know the reason that we see only small life forms from the oldest fossils is because giants ate all the bigger animal's bones?

(http://www.skepdic.com/cardiff.html)

[BelieverInGod]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

**snip**

Does anyone else find it extremely pathetic that the atheists who hang around here know their Bible better than the so-called Christians?

Perhaps you can both continue this conversation when you meet up in Hell

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

The Bible and science are at odds with one another.

Here we can see that the earth is in a fixed position.

Psalm 93:1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

The sun revolves around the earth.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

And yes, the earth was created in six days, unless you want to try to say that the Ten Commandments are "symbolic" too. Why did the Jews keep the Sabbath in the first place?

Psalm 93:1 (Young's Literal Translation)

Psalm 93

1Jehovah hath reigned, Excellency He hath put on, Jehovah put on strength, He girded Himself, Also -- established is the world, unmoved.

Psalm 78:69 (King James Version)

69And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Psalm 104:5 (King James Version)

5Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.


This is not talking about the earth moving around the Sun, he is talking about the earth remaining forever .

We use the same term today, we say the sunrise and sunset.


In Joshua 10:13, about the sun and moon standing still, is not impossible with God, for he created it. It is also possible that God used some other method to fool our senses as many people, can do today, with tricks. We are not told how he did that.

I went over the six 'days' or time periods before. God was never limited with our solar system and a 24 hr. day. Even all the creative days are call a day.
They were periods of time that certain thing were created.

The other thing is that when people in those times periods thought the earth was flat. The bible says:

Isaiah 40:22 (King James Version)

22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

So the bible is ahead of the prevailing thinking of the people at that time. So how did the writer know that?

If you want to be literal, then in this verse , people are grasshoppers, and the heaven is a curtain and this all lives in a tent.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Bogdana
What did you think of that article of the giants though? It is pretty amazing how far the scientists will go to deceive people.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Psalm 93:1 (Young's Literal Translation)

Psalm 93

1Jehovah hath reigned, Excellency He hath put on, Jehovah put on strength, He girded Himself, Also -- established is the world, unmoved.

Psalm 78:69 (King James Version)

69And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Psalm 104:5 (King James Version)

5Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.


This is not talking about the earth moving around the Sun, he is talking about the earth remaining forever .

We use the same term today, we say the sunrise and sunset.


In Joshua 10:13, about the sun and moon standing still, is not impossible with God, for he created it. It is also possible that God used some other method to fool our senses as many people, can do today, with tricks. We are not told how he did that.

I went over the six 'days' or time periods before. God was never limited with our solar system and a 24 hr. day. Even all the creative days are call a day.
They were periods of time that certain thing were created.

The other thing is that when people in those times periods thought the earth was flat. The bible says:

Isaiah 40:22 (King James Version)

22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

So the bible is ahead of the prevailing thinking of the people at that time. So how did the writer know that?

If you want to be literal, then in this verse , people are grasshoppers, and the heaven is a curtain and this all lives in a tent.

So you just flip through the different versions until you find one that fits?

Oh and you are another public school retard that doesn't understand the difference between a circle and a ball? It's currently being discussed HERE and HERE

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

So you just flip through the different versions until you find one that fits?

Oh and you are another public school retard that doesn't understand the difference between a circle and a ball? It's currently being discussed HERE and HERE

cir·cle   
[sur-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun

16.
a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/newre...ote=1&p=734419

Well this should end the discussion.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

sorry I had the wrong link, this post is better.

Quote:
So you just flip through the different versions until you find one that fits?

Oh and you are another public school retard that doesn't understand the difference between a circle and a ball? It's currently being discussed HERE and HERE

cir·cle   
[sur-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun

16. a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circle

Well this should end the discussion.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

cir·cle   
[sur-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun

16.
a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/newre...ote=1&p=734419

Well this should end the discussion.

First of all, your link goes nowhere. I'm not as gullible as you sickular idiots.

Second, what dictionary are you using?

Definition of CIRCLE

1
a : ring, halo b : a closed plane curve every point of which is equidistant from a fixed point within the curve c : the plane surface bounded by such a curve

Definition of SPHERE

1
a (1) : the apparent surface of the heavens of which half forms the dome of the visible sky (2) : any of the concentric and eccentric revolving spherical transparent shells in which according to ancient astronomy stars, sun, planets, and moon are set

Definition of ORB

1
: any of the concentric spheres in old astronomy surrounding the earth and carrying the celestial bodies in their revolutions

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Psalm 93:1 (Young's Literal Translation)

Psalm 93

1Jehovah hath reigned, Excellency He hath put on, Jehovah put on strength, He girded Himself, Also -- established is the world, unmoved.

Psalm 78:69 (King James Version)

69And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Psalm 104:5 (King James Version)

5Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.


This is not talking about the earth moving around the Sun, he is talking about the earth remaining forever .

The term is מוט mowt which in its most literal form means a bar of yoke a curved bar upon which something rests in a fixed position.

Psalm 78 uses a completely different term סד yacad. Your equivocation has not gone unnoticed.

We use the same term today, we say the sunrise and sunset.

You really don't know what you are talking about at all, do you? You are making this up as you go along?

The sunrise is שמש shemesh רח zarach not מוט mowt.

The sunset is שמש shemesh בוא bow'.

You would know that if you had bothered to look deeper into Ecclesiastes 1:5.

So do you understand it now? The sun moves around the earth and the earth is in a fixed position.

In Joshua 10:13, about the sun and moon standing still, is not impossible with God, for he created it. It is also possible that God used some other method to fool our senses as many people, can do today, with tricks. We are not told how he did that.

Maybe He can do tricks that fool us? If you have nothing better than the supposition that maybe he did do it that way, you are playing cowboys and indians with religion. I shot you! Nuh, uh. I had my shield up!

The point of the story in Joshua is to demonstrate that God made them sit still while they revolve around the earth.

I went over the six 'days' or time periods before. God was never limited with our solar system and a 24 hr. day. Even all the creative days are call a day.
They were periods of time that certain thing were created.

I see, so the Ten Commandments are symbolic now. The term day doesn't actually mean day. Let's read epignosis' new commandments.

Exodus 20:10-16 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day (which isn't really a day at all. It's a period of time): wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother (well not really your father and mother. You should honor some other people because the word mother and father don't really mean mother and father): that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.(unless you feel like it. The word kill doesn't really mean kill)

14Thou shalt not commit adultery (adultery actually means threesomes with married women so one at a time is okay).
15Thou shalt not steal.(steal actually means steal a lot, so stealing a little is okay. My BFF God told me so.)

16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.(unless you don't like him, then go for it because false witness actually means that you can make it up with works later.)

[epignosis]

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First of all, your link goes nowhere. I'm not as gullible as you sickular idiots.

Second, what dictionary are you using?

cir·cle   
[sur-kuhl] Show IPA
noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
–noun

16. a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circle

Here is the correct link.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson wrote:
I see, so the Ten Commandments are symbolic now. The term day doesn't actually mean day. Let's read epignosis' new commandments.

There are many lengths of time used for the word day



2 Peter 3:8 (King James Version)

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Ezekiel 4:6 (King James Version)

6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.


Genesis 2:1-5 (King James Version)

Genesis 2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

God said he took six days to make the heavens and the earth , and rested on the 7th day. But in verse 4 it says in the 'day' God made the earth and heavens. So the bible says that creation all happened in a day. So it is considering all the creative days as one day.

In taking about Adam
Genesis 3:5 (King James Version)

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Hear God was telling Adam that in the 'day' of Adams eating of the fruit he would die.

Genesis 5:5 (King James Version)

5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

But Adam lived 930 years.
So in Adam's case, a day meant 930 years.

Many places in the bible a day meant a time period, that something was accomplished.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

There are many lengths of time used for the word day

2 Peter 3:8 (King James Version)

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So we are to rest for one thousand years on the Sabbath? Let's say this proves that 1000 years is a day to God and that's what Genesis and Exodus mean when they mention the six day creation. You still have a huge problem reconciling science and the Bible. 6x1000 is still only 6000 years.

The scientists says it was billions of years.

Ezekiel 4:6 (King James Version)

6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

One day equals a year. It actually says it there and spells it out. Too bad for you Genesis does no such thing.

Genesis 2:1-5 (King James Version)

Genesis 2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

God said he took six days to make the heavens and the earth , and rested on the 7th day. But in verse 4 it says in the 'day' God made the earth and heavens. So the bible says that creation all happened in a day. So it is considering all the creative days as one day.

Great. You still have the problem that it is completely out of order of what scientists believe it to be. It didn't rain, but there were plants? There was light before there was a sun or a moon? Birds and fish were created at the same time?

Many places in the bible a day meant a time period, that something was accomplished.

As judged by whom?

You mean it rained for 4000 years while Noah was on the Ark? It says God caused it to rain for 40 days and 40 nights.

You still can't answer why the Sabbath was celebrated on the seventh day. Why the day when God rested is symbolic, but honor your mother and father is literal.

You have also been unable to answer what the day of rest means for God. You are saying this is a period without change? It was millions of years where God did nothing? He didn't listen to anyone or answer any prayers. He was or still is resting?