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So Christianity is a copycat religion? You don't say.

Some Christian churches, or religions have taken on pagan ideas , but the belief in Jesus and the bible is correct.

[Beyondthesmegma]

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Are you unaware that Jesus and God are the same?

(John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."

As far as who came first:

(Revelation 1:8) "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

Nobody was aware of anything concerning jesus because he was unknown when Socrates lived. He believed in ond God, but not Jesus as God.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Nobody was aware of anything concerning jesus because he was unknown when Socrates lived. He believed in ond God, but not Jesus as God.

Which is why he went to hell. He didn't follow Jewish law. Before Christ, only those who followed the whole law went to Heaven. The same is true now, but we can eat pork and mow the lawn on the weekends.

Under the New Covenant, anyone who believes in Jesus and is baptized, doesn't commit one one of 56 deadly sins listed in the New Testament without asking for forgiveness right before they die, is saved! Shout Glory!

[Beyondthesmegma]

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Which is why he went to hell. He didn't follow Jewish law. Before Christ, only those who followed the whole law went to Heaven. The same is true now, but we can eat pork and mow the lawn on the weekends.

Under the New Covenant, anyone who believes in Jesus and is baptized, doesn't commit one one of 56 deadly sins listed in the New Testament without asking for forgiveness right before they die, is saved! Shout Glory!

How do you know Socrates is in Hell? How do you know Hitler is in Hell? How do you know Ghandi is in Hell? AActually, let me ask you a broader question: does Hell exist? Can you prove its existence? What if there's no Hell? Can you prove any of these questions?

BTW just because the Bible says it is the one true word of God, do you actually think it is the one true word of God. How do you know it is the one true word of God? Can you prove it is the one true word of God? What if it isn't the one true word of God?

It's a funny paradox, the chicken and the egg. And its the same with the truthfulness of the Bible.

[Meek and Humble]

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AActually, let me ask you a broader question: does Hell exist? Can you prove its existence? What if there's no Hell? Can you prove any of these questions?

YES!!!

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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How do you know Socrates is in Hell?

He wasn't circumcised. He did not keep the dietary laws. He did not sacrifice to the correct God.

How do you know Hitler is in Hell?

Strangely, I don't know. Maybe he could have accepted Jesus in his heart at the last second as long as he didn't blaspheme the Holy Ghost.

How do you know Ghandi is in Hell?

He was a hindaloo. He didn't believe in Jesus Christ. He merely admired Him.

AActually, let me ask you a broader question: does Hell exist?

Yes. The Bible speaks of it rather often.

Can you prove its existence?

Yes the Bible.

BTW just because the Bible says it is the one true word of God, do you actually think it is the one true word of God. How do you know it is the one true word of God? Can you prove it is the one true word of God? What if it isn't the one true word of God?

Then we have lost nothing, unless the Jews are correct. In that case, even fewer people will be going to Heaven.

It's a funny paradox, the chicken and the egg. And its the same with the truthfulness of the Bible.

Not really. You just have to surround yourself with other people who believe the same things, shut off your brain and listen for God's voice and read the Bible all the time. It's called faith! Thank you very much!

[Beyondthesmegma]

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He wasn't circumcised. He did not keep the dietary laws. He did not sacrifice to the correct God.


Strangely, I don't know. Maybe he could have accepted Jesus in his heart at the last second as long as he didn't blaspheme the Holy Ghost.


He was a hindaloo. He didn't believe in Jesus Christ. He merely admired Him.



Yes. The Bible speaks of it rather often.


Yes the Bible.


Then we have lost nothing, unless the Jews are correct. In that case, even fewer people will be going to Heaven.



Not really. You just have to surround yourself with other people who believe the same things, shut off your brain and listen for God's voice and read the Bible all the time. It's called faith! Thank you very much!

Can you show me that Socrates, Hitler and Ghandi are in Hell? Can I see if they're in Hell. Have you seen if they are in Hell? Do you have confirmation that they're in Hell? Of course not.

So just because the Bible says that it itself is true, will you believe that it is true? If I said I'm right because I said I was right, would you believe me? Of course not. Because just because somebody or something says that itself is true doesn't mean it necessarily is true.

Now, back to Hell. Aside from your Bible, which cannot be verified as true or false, do you have evidence that shows that any of these three individuals are in Hell. Can you? No, you can't.

You judge everything on one book that has to say it is true because it cannot be verified as true through any actual evidence. Keep in mind, the Bible was originally an oral script passed down from generation to generation. Do you think that those who wrote it down could have possibly "tweaked" the stories. Do you think that from being passed down from generation to generation things might have accidentally been forgotten?

[Meek and Humble]

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Can you show me that Socrates, Hitler and Ghandi are in Hell? Can I see if they're in Hell. Have you seen if they are in Hell? Do you have confirmation that they're in Hell? Of course not.

Have you ever seen Socrates, Hitler or Gandhi?

Keep in mind, the Bible was originally an oral script passed down from generation to generation.

Do you have any evidence for that?

[Tea_Party_Minister]

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So just because the Bible says that it itself is true, will you believe that it is true?

You are a perfect example of why God HATES Rational Thinking!

How arrogant of you to questions the word of the infinite God, the, maker of heaven and earth, who knows everything and has a plan for us all. For you to . question Him is ridiculous and that's why you're going to Hell. Say hi to Satan. Send me a postcard.

[Beyondthesmegma]

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You are a perfect example of why God HATES Rational Thinking!

How arrogant of you to questions the word of the infinite God, the, maker of heaven and earth, who knows everything and has a plan for us all. For you to . question Him is ridiculous and that's why you're going to Hell. Say hi to Satan. Send me a postcard.

I am not being arrogant. However you are being ignorant. Do you have any proof of Hell besides the Bible (Sounds Of Siberia is fake)?

[Meek and Humble]

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(Sounds Of Siberia is fake)?

So when evidence is presented to you, you just call it fake. Man, you're arrogant.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Also Jesus was given immortality not until after he died for mankind. He was the first one ever to get immortality. None of the angels have it.

Have you ever read a Bible? Jesus has been immortal since before Creation.

John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

John 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.

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Have you ever read a Bible? Jesus has been immortal since before Creation.

John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

John 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.

Jesus had a pre human existence. ( humans do not)
Did you notice in John 17:24, that Jesus says that his Father gave him the followers, his Father also gave him his love, . this verse also says Jesus was before the formation of the earth.

Colossians 1:15 (King James Version)

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

This scriptures says Jesus is like ( image ) God. And that Jesus was the first born. ( first creation of God)


John 1:1 (King James Version)

John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Did you knotice here that the Word was with God.

So Jesus was with God, in the beginning, of all creation.


Genesis 1:26 (King James Version)

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Did you notice here the bible says let us make man in our image.

This is using the plural from and using us and our
So this is talking about at least 2 entities.

[Meek and Humble]

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Jesus had a pre human existence. ( humans do not)

They don't?

“2 Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. 3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 4:2-3)

“That which hath been is named already, and it is known that it is man, neither may he contend with him that is mightier than he.” (Ecclesiastes 6:10)

“1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the LORD unto Bethel; and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense. 2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said: O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD: Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.” (I Kings 13:1-2)

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“2 Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. 3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 4:2-3)

These scriptures explain this for you.

Jeremiah 20:18 (King James Version)

18Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame?

Luke 23:29 (King James Version)

29For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

“That which hath been is named already, and it is known that it is man, neither may he contend with him that is mightier than he.” (Ecclesiastes 6:10)

This is talking about Adam and mankind after him, in the low state in which we are now. ( after sin)

Job 4:17 (English Standard Version)

17(A) 'Can mortal man be in the right before[a] God?
Can a man be pure before his Maker?


This scripture says man is mortal.

“1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the LORD unto Bethel; and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense. 2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said: O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD: Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.” (I Kings 13:1-2)

2 Kings 23:1-20 (King James Version)

2 Kings 23

1And the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem.

2And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.........................

14And he brake in pieces the images, and cut down the groves, and filled their places with the bones of men.

15Moreover the altar that was at Bethel, and the high place which Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, had made, both that altar and the high place he brake down, and burned the high place, and stamped it small to powder, and burned the grove.

16And as Josiah turned himself, he spied the sepulchres that were there in the mount, and sent, and took the bones out of the sepulchres, and burned them upon the altar, and polluted it, according to the word of the LORD which the man of God proclaimed, who proclaimed these words.

17Then he said, What title is that that I see? And the men of the city told him, It is the sepulchre of the man of God, which came from Judah, and proclaimed these things that thou hast done against the altar of Bethel.

18And he said, Let him alone; let no man move his bones. So they let his bones alone, with the bones of the prophet that came out of Samaria.

19And all the houses also of the high places that were in the cities of Samaria, which the kings of Israel had made to provoke the Lord to anger, Josiah took away, and did to them according to all the acts that he had done in Bethel.

20And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem.


verses 13-20 show that the verses 1-2 was fulfilled


So man is mortal. And that God can see into the womb.