[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I wasn't asking a question.

Ok.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If that's so, why does the Bible say about God,


Joshua 3:13 The LORD of all the earth

2 Kings 19:15 Thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.
1 Chronicles 16:31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.

Psalm 47:2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.

Psalm 47:7 For God is the King of all the earth.

Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Psalm 97:1 The LORD reigneth; let the earth rejoice.

Isaiah 37:16 Thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.

Micah 4:13 I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

Zechariah 6:5 These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the LORD of all the earth.

Luke 10:21 Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth...

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth.

John 12:31 (New American Standard Bible)

31"Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.



John 14:30 (New American Standard Bible)

30"I will not speak much more with you, for (A)the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;

John 14:30 (King James Version)

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

This Jesus speaking here.


Matthew 4:8-9 (King James Version)

8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Satan could not offer this to Jesus without him being in control of these governments.


Revelation 13:2 (King James Version)

2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

This where the bible tells us that the 'dragon' (Satan), gives the power, to the beast. ( the beast represents mans governments on the earth ) This is where one of the keys to unlocking the understanding of Revelation, is found.
Satan is the ruler of the world, and all the government's, have been under his control.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

"Pastor Bathfire" to you and I do not care for your quibbling over trivia.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Ms Bog, merely leaving off a '?' does not mean a question was not asked.

@epignosis,
The question is in the first quote above.

(I feel like I am herding cats here! when UT get together, there are always disagreements. Why cannot they accept the Unity that comes from acceptance of The Word of The Lord?)

Mr. Zekey, please not epignosis was NOT quoting from the post you seem to think he was.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If that's so, why does the Bible say about God,

So what's the question?

I wasn't asking a question.

Ms Bog, merely leaving off a '?' does not mean a question was not asked.

@epignosis,
The question is in the first quote above.

(I feel like I am herding cats here! when UT get together, there are always disagreements. Why cannot they accept the Unity that comes from acceptance of The Word of The Lord?)

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

This is totally against what the bible says. The bibles is about governments, the question is, who has the right to rule?

The Bible is not about "governments." There were no "governments" in the Bible worthy of the name. You are conflating the term 'government' to mean any system or rule at all. In the Bible OT, there are absolute monarchs and absolute tribal leaders, all appointed (or killed) by God. In the NT, there are the Romans and the Pharisees. The Jews had no say in what the heathen Romans did and some Pharisees, who were the local theocrats, refused to listen to Jesus' word.

This is the bibles theme.

I would have thought that the future of mankind, Godly conduct and the road to Salvation were more the theme. Your emphasis (see above) is misplaced. Yes, you can boil it down to what you say, but you can also boil it down to a geography or history lesson or the ramblings of old Jewish folk tales: Ti:1:14: Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Right now it is Satan ruling,

You may have voted for Obama but I didn't.

but that will change before, everything is totally ruined. It is man that chose this.

But all the good things - didn't men choose those as well? The kind, the generous, the honest, the compassionate, the True Christian(tm), are they "of Satan"? Are you some sort of "humanist" who believes man's destiny is in his own hands rather than the Hands of God? No son, God chooses everything, He guides everyone otherwise how could He know our futures?

And the scientists have really given man the ability the ruin the earth. So the scientists are also part of the problem. Yes you are correct they are stupid theories. Byt the scientists are not stupid people. So why?

Ge:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

You see God will look after us all for the Earth is ours - it is not Satan's. Satan cannot rule over us, he has no mandate and is devoid of power. Why! Satan has only ever killed 2 people Job 1:1-19 and that was with God looking on and there was nothing at all to say that the 2 dead people were evil. Whereas Almighty God has killed about 2 million - that's what I call power and just retribution.

So don't worry yourself with your stories about a Boogeyman being in charge - God will protect us from all ills.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I wasn't asking a question.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I know, right?

Exodus 29:10 “Bring the bull to the front of the tent of meeting, and Aaron and his sons shall lay their hands on its head. 11 Slaughter it in the LORD’s presence at the entrance to the tent of meeting. (This was a special tent that God lived inside. The people would worship in front of it, and Moses would go inside to talk to God).

13 Then take all the fat on the internal organs, the long lobe of the liver, and both kidneys with the fat on them, and burn them on the altar. 14 But burn the bull’s flesh and its hide and its intestines outside the camp. It is a sin offering

17 Cut the ram into pieces and wash the internal organs and the legs, putting them with the head and the other pieces. 18 Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD.

19 “Take the other ram, and Aaron and his sons shall lay their hands on its head. 20 Slaughter it, take some of its blood and put it on the lobes of the right ears of Aaron and his sons, on the thumbs of their right hands, and on the big toes of their right feet. Then splash blood against the sides of the altar.

21 And take some blood from the altar and some of the anointing oil and sprinkle it on Aaron and his garments and on his sons and their garments. Then he and his sons and their garments will be consecrated. 22 “Take from this ram the fat, the fat tail, the fat on the internal organs, the long lobe of the liver, both kidneys with the fat on them, and the right thigh. (This is the ram for the ordination.)

24 Put all these in the hands of Aaron and his sons and have them wave them before the LORD as a wave offering. 25 Then take them from their hands and burn them on the altar along with the burnt offering for a pleasing aroma to the LORD, a food offering presented to the LORD.

26 After you take the breast of the ram for Aaron’s ordination, wave it before the LORD as a wave offering, and it will be your share. 27 “Consecrate those parts of the ordination ram that belong to Aaron and his sons: the breast that was waved and the thigh that was presented. 28 This is always to be the perpetual share from the Israelites for Aaron and his sons. It is the contribution the Israelites are to make to the LORD from their fellowship offerings.



32 At the entrance to the tent of meeting, Aaron and his sons are to eat the meat of the ram and the bread that is in the basket. 33 They are to eat these offerings by which atonement was made for their ordination and consecration. But no one else may eat them, because they are sacred


35 “Do for Aaron and his sons everything I have commanded you, taking seven days to ordain them. 36 Sacrifice a bull each day as a sin offering to make atonement. Purify the altar by making atonement for it, and anoint it to consecrate it.


37 For seven days make atonement for the altar and consecrate it. Then the altar will be most holy, and whatever touches it will be holy. 38 “This is what you are to offer on the altar regularly each day: two lambs a year old. 39 Offer one in the morning and the other at twilight


40 With the first lamb offer a tenth of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with a quarter of a hin of oil from pressed olives, and a quarter of a hin of wine as a drink offering. 41 Sacrifice the other lamb at twilight with the same grain offering and its drink offering as in the morning—a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD.

So what's the question?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Right now it is Satan ruling

If that's so, why does the Bible say about God,


Joshua 3:13 The LORD of all the earth

2 Kings 19:15 Thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.
1 Chronicles 16:31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.

Psalm 47:2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.

Psalm 47:7 For God is the King of all the earth.

Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Psalm 97:1 The LORD reigneth; let the earth rejoice.

Isaiah 37:16 Thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.

Micah 4:13 I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

Zechariah 6:5 These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the LORD of all the earth.

Luke 10:21 Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth...

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I'm out of town the next few days. so I can't answer ,till I get back.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

He has told us the "whole truth"; it is right before you (well, perhaps not 'you') in the Bible!

You see, the truth can be something like a coat hanger with a clock on it. Unnecessary. All that is necessary is finding the road to Salvation™.

Why would God want us to clutter our minds with stupid "theories"?

Has He not done our thinking for us?

This is totally against what the bible says. The bibles is about governments, the question is, who has the right to rule? The is the bibles theme. Right now it is Satan ruling, but that will change before, everything is totally ruined. It is man that chose this.
And the scientists have really given man the ability the ruin the earth. So the scientists are also part of the problem. Yes you are correct they are stupid theories. Byt the scientists are not stupid people. So why?

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

people are stupid. that's a given.

I dont see why god would hate rational thinking unless he has something to hide. If he doesn't, he should want us to find out the whole truth.

And yes, haters of science, I just used rational thinking.

peace.

Yes, what you said here is correct.
God wants people to think rationally.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I know, right?

Exodus 29:10-41a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD.

This passage is in fact one of the most significant in the Bible. Here we see how to sacrifice, should we be required at some future date to do this. As it is, the verses are the Old Covenant for has not Christ Jesus made the final Sacrifice, thus freeing us from the need to sacrifice?

So if those verses weren't there, we would not understand why Jesus, who is God, who is the Holy Spirit, may Save us!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

people are stupid. that's a given.

I dont see why god would hate rational thinking unless he has something to hide. If he doesn't, he should want us to find out the whole truth.

He has told us the "whole truth"; it is right before you (well, perhaps not 'you') in the Bible!

You see, the truth can be something like a coat hanger with a clock on it. Unnecessary. All that is necessary is finding the road to Salvation(tm).

Why would God want us to clutter our minds with stupid "theories"?

Has He not done our thinking for us?

[forphysics]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

people are stupid. that's a given.

I dont see why god would hate rational thinking unless he has something to hide. If he doesn't, he should want us to find out the whole truth.

And yes, haters of science, I just used rational thinking.

peace.