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Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Of course we use the day to mean 24 hrs, .
But the bible is clear, a day can means many other lengths of time also.
When I say in Noah's day. What 24 hr day am I talking about. People say 'in the day', meaning maybe when they were younger, maybe a teenager, or during the 60's when there was really good music.



2 Peter 3:8 (King James Version)

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Could it be any clearer than that.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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God warned people that these things would happen.

He did? When? Specifically, or vaguely?

Like right now, I can say that someone, at some point in time, somewhere in the world, will be murdered for some reason.

I will most likely be right. But that's hardly a good warning. It would be much more helpful if I said, "John Smith, in Fakeville, USA, will be killed at 12:01am on Saturday June 32, 2910, unless he makes sure to lock his door".

Many people to not listen to the government authorities, and die for that. Just as they do not listen to God.

And many people are caught by sudden, unforeseen events and die just the same.

Also people build homes and cities in known dangerous areas. In the US, LA and San Fran. are built right on top of a fault line. People build on land right at sea level or even below. Nuclear power plants are built, right next to the ocean and around where people live. Besides the scientists are using nuclear bombs ( testing them under ground) and nuclear power plants with not real idea how to get rid of wastes. The US had a major oil spill in the gulf, and ruined a huge area. Scientists do not know what they are doing with all of this stuff.

I'm sure it will be a great comfort to the families of these people to know God did not interfere to try to save them because they had the misfortune of being born in the wrong place.

By the way, is there anywhere on Earth that is completely safe from natural disasters?

The love of God revealed:

[Meek and Humble]

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Ezekiel 4:6 (King James Version)

6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

2 Peter 3:8 (King James Version)

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psalm 90:2-4 (King James Version)

2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Watch's in the night in those days say were fairly short 2 hrs to about 4 hrs.
We also use the term in Noah's day. But Noah lived 350 years after the flood.

Genesis 2:17 (King James Version)

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam died when he was 930 years old. So a day meant 930 years for Adam.

It's not me telling you this, the bible is telling you.

Nope, it's you saying it.

10 Reasons Why the Six Days of Creation Were Literal 24 Hour Days


1. "EVENING AND MORNING"

God has carefully defined the word "day" by the expression "evening and morning." "And the _______________________ and the ________________________ were the first ________" (Genesis 1:5 and see verses 8,13,19,23,31).
There is something that every day contains: AN EVENING AND A MORNING!! How many days are represented below?
E-M-E-M-E-M-E-M-E-M-E-M
_________ DAYS
Daniel 8:14 (according to the Hebrew text) says "Unto 2,300 evenings and mornings; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." How many days is this? _________ DAYS. See also Daniel 8:26.
Every 24 hour day has an evening and a morning. Does an AGE have an evening and a morning? _______ (a long period of time would have many, many evenings and mornings!) An age may have a beginning and an ending, but it does not have just one evening and morning!!




2. Numerical Adjustive

God also defines the word "day" by putting a NUMBER before it: "And the evening and the morning were the ______________ day" (Genesis 1:5). God tells us exactly what day it was. It was the FIRST DAY. See also Genesis 1:8,13,19,23,31 and Exodus 20:11 ("SIX days").
When a number comes before the word "day," it almost always refers to a literal 24 hour day. Compare Numbers 7:12,18,24,30,36,42,48, etc. Let us consider these examples:

1. a) We are living in the day of manned space flight. (Is this a 24 hour day?)
   b) Have you learned in history class about the first day of manned space flight in1961 when a Russian cosmonaut became the first man to leave our earth’s atmosphere?
   (Was this a 24 hour day?)
2. a) "I can remember the day when I was in the first grade." (Was this a 24 hour day?)
   b) "I can still remember the third day of first grade when the teacher told me to stand in the corner of my classroom because I was not behaving." (Was this a 24 hour day?)
3. a) GENESIS 2:4—"in the day the LORD God made the earth and the heavens (How long was this "day"? – See Exodus 20:11)
   b) GENESIS 1:31—"And the evening and the morning were the sixth day" (Was this a 24 hour day?)

3. Day and Night

In Genesis 1:5 God has told us what happened on "the ___________ _______." What kind of a day was this first day? Was it an age? In verse 5 God has said that this first day was made up of a period of light called ________ and a period of darkness called ______________. So weknow that this first day was a day-night period. DAY 1 of the CREATION WEEK was a period of 12 HOURS OF LIGHT and 12 HOURS OF DARKNESS.


4. The Fourth Day

Genesis 1:15-19 describes the fourth day of creation. In these verses the word "day" or "days" is used 5 times. Please match the following:

1. _____ Verse 14–"to divide the day from the night"
2. _____ Verse 14–"for days, and years"
3. _____ Verse 16–"to rule the day"
4. _____ Verse 18–"rule over the day"
5. _____ Verse 19–"the fourth day"

1. A literal 12 hour day
2. A literal 24 hour day
3. An AGE (a long period of time)

5. The Seventh Day

The seventh day was a 24 hour day also (Genesis 2:1-3). On what day were Adam and Eve created (Genesis 1:26-31)? ____________________ Did God curse the earth on the seventh day, the day which He blessed (see Genesis 3:17-19 and Genesis 2:3)? ____ Did Adam and Eve live beyond the seventh day? _______ How old was Adam when he died (Genesis 5:4-5)? __________________ The seventh day was not a long age lasting thousands or millions of years. It was a 24 hour day just like the first six days.


6. The Fourth Commandment


Notice in Exodus 20:11 that the number _______ is placed before the word "days" (see pages 32-33). Your friend might say to you, "I worked on a paper for school and it took me six days to finish!" Do you think your friend meant days or ages? ______ (When you are doing schoolwork, it may seem like ages but it is really only days!) How long did it take God to finish His work of creation (Exodus 20:11)? _____________________ Do you think these were 24 hour days? ________
In these verses we learn that God’s WORKING AND RESTING was to serve as a pattern for Israel’s WORKING AND RESTING. God told the children of Israel that He wanted them to work six days (Sunday through Friday) and rest on the seventh day (Saturday) because this was exactly what God did when He created the heavens and earth (Exodus 20:11).


7. Days (plural)

In Exodus 20:11 we are told that the LORD made everything in six days. The word "DAYS" is plural. When the word "day" is used in the plural (DAYS), it almost always refers to literal 24 hour days. The word "day" (singular) can be used of a period of time that is longer than 24 hours: "the day of the LORD" "The day of grace" "the day of trouble" "the day of modern science" etc. (see pages 31-32), but the moment a person speaks about DAYS (plural), he is talking about 24 hour days. Consider these examples:

1. How many days are there until your birthday?
2. It took the children of Israel 7 days to capture the city of Jericho (read Joshua chapter 6).
3. Mark 14:1–"two days."
4. Revelation 12:6 (the last half or the final 3½ years of the tribulation period).
5. Exodus 20:11—SIX DAYS.

8. The Basic Meaning of the Word "DAY"

We have already seen that the word "day" can be used to describe a 12 hour period of light (Genesis 1:5,14,16,18). The word "day" can also be used of a longer period of time (2 Peter 3:8-10; Jeremiah 30:7). But most of the time when we use the word "day" we are speaking of a 24 hour day. This is the normal and basic meaning of the word "day."
When we study the Bible we always should understand a word in its literal, normal, natural and basic meaning unless this meaning does not make sense. Here is our rule—If the basic sense makes good sense, then seek no other sense, lest it result in nonsense.
Here are some examples:

1. The basic meaning of "LAMB"—a four footed animal, a young sheep.
   1. Does Isaiah 11:6 use the word according to its basic meaning? _____
   2. Does John 1:29 use the word according to its basic meaning? ______
2. The basic meaning of "DOG"—a four-legged animal often used as a pet.
   1. Does Luke 16:21 use the word according to its basic meaning? _______
   2. In Philippians 3:2 and Revelation 22:15 is this word used according to its basic meaning? _______
3. The basic meaning of "BLOOD"—the red liquid in the veins and the arteries.
   1. Does John 19:34 use the word according to its basic meaning?_______
   2. Does Matthew 26:28 use the word according to its basic meaning? _______

9. What did Moses Think?

Moses was the man God used to write the book of Genesis (Luke 24:27,44). Whenever you study the Bible you must ask yourself this important question: How did the original writer (in this case Moses) and the original listeners (the children of Israel) understand what was written?
Do you think Moses understood the days of creation to be long ages of time? Would the people who lived in the time of Moses have thought of these days as normal 24 hour days? Did they have any reason to think of these days as ages?
Moses and the people of his day believed that God began His work of creation on Sunday, created man on Friday and rested on Saturday. Do you believe what Moses believed?


10. Make Your Choice: Genesis or Evolution?

Some people believe that if you make the days of creation ages (long periods of time), then Genesis chapter 1 teaches the same as evolution. They believe that the order of events in Genesis 1 is the same order of events as given by the evolutionists. Let us see if this is really true:

1. Evolutionists say that the SUN came before the EARTH.

But God says the sun was made on DAY ______ and the earth was made on DAY _____. Therefore the earth is _______ days older than the sun! Was there LIGHT even before the sun was made? _______ On what day was this LIGHT created? DAY _____

1. Evolutionists say that life must first begin in the sea (in the ocean). They teach that after millions of years some life forms eventually moved onto the land.

But God says life in the ocean appeared on DAY _______ and life on land first appeared on DAY ______ (plant life). Thus, life on land appeared _____ DAYS before life appeared in the oceans (marine life).

1. Evolutionists say that reptiles came before birds (because they believe that birds evolved from reptiles).

But God says that birds were made on DAY ______ and land animals (which would included land reptiles) were not made until DAY ______. Birds are _____ DAY older than reptiles! Could birds have evolved from reptiles? ______ Certainly reptiles did not evolve from birds! (Not even the evolutionists would say this!). The Bible says God made the birds and God made the reptiles. Reptiles did not precede birds by hundreds of thousands of years.

[True Disciple]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

True Disciple

I have to say that this line of thinking is responsible for many in the world today, to turn their backs on Christianity.
The bible is rational and reasonable, to the point of being the truth. The only place that real truth is found.

Nonsense, my friend. Those people turn their backs on Christianity because they value the wisdom of the world (which is science). Wisdom of God is supposed to be a mystery:

1 Corinthians 2:6-8:
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

If it was rationally reasonable, it wouldn't be a mystery anymore, would it? It would just be an obvious conclusion on basis of the facts, which doesn't qualify as a "mystery" in any way. The Word of God is foolishness unto the world, and science is part of the world.

So if you say to a scientists for example that God's word is not rational or reasonable, he rightly says, Christianity is a joke.

Again, that's how it should be. Christianity should be foolishness unto the wise men of the world:

1 Corinthians 1:17-27:
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1 Corinthians 2:14-16:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

It seems you didn't really read my OP, did you?

Take little Bogdana here, for example. She is an atheist, and according to her demonic application of "logic and reason," she concludes that the Wisdom of God (which includes His Word in the Bible) is foolishness. This is because she uses wisdom of the world, and is blinded for the Wisdom of God, and as the above Verses teach, the gospel of Christ crucified is foolishness to atheists like Bogdana. Her behavior confirmed that.

You can't convince her using logic and reason, because the laws of logic and reason condemn the Bible. That is why there are so many warnings against rational thinking in the Bible.

This what faith is:
Hebrews 11:1 (King James Version)

Hebrews 11

1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

So faith is not blind, it is the result of the evidences we see all around us , so that the unseen is real.

Friend, are you dim? It is the evidence of things NOT seen. Things you can see around you are, by definition, things that are seen.

For example we look at the life all around us. We may even study science to see how these things were made. ( there is a difference at times between what scientists say and the science itself, so here again you need rational thinking and reason) So our faith is not based on just the bible telling us that we were created, but it is also based on the real evidence.
This is rational thinking and is reasonable.

This is downright demonic.
If you want to know how life originated, read the Bible. Science is only acceptable as long as it doesn't contradict science. Moses wrote Genesis, you do realize that, I hope? And this is what Jesus has Abraham say about the writings of Moses in the parable of the rich man who goes to Hell:

John 5:46-47:
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

We can ask this question to you as well. If you do not believe Moses, how can you claim to believe Jesus?

Romans 1:20 (King James Version)

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


Do you see that faith needs the proofs to be real, with the evidence to back it up.

I never denied that there is evidence. That's what we call the King James Bible. Atheists are without excuse, so they'll burn in Hell.

I sorry, but what you said in this thread, is exactly why the scientists or other people are turned off religion.

Again, this is how it's supposed to be. The Wisdom of God is foolishness unto the world. They have to get themselves to ignore their own thoughts about the gospel being foolishness, and accept it nevertheless. This is simply an act of faith. If they can't make that little leap of faith, they aren't destined for Salvation™.

Also, even though people may be turned off religion, haven't we just decided, using Romans 1:20, that they are without excuse?
So how could I turn them off Christianity? The things of God in the world are clearly seen, after all, and if they reject it, it is their sole responsibility.

Ezekiel 4:6 (King James Version)

6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

2 Peter 3:8 (King James Version)

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psalm 90:2-4 (King James Version)

2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Watch's in the night in those days say were fairly short 2 hrs to about 4 hrs.
We also use the term in Noah's day. But Noah lived 350 years after the flood.

Genesis 2:17 (King James Version)

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam died when he was 930 years old. So a day meant 930 years for Adam.

It's not me telling you this, the bible is telling you.

So you claim that the Earth is 6000 + 7 x 930 = 12510 years old? Then you disagree with both science and the Bible, friend.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Yes, that was one specimen, known as[/COLOR] "La Chapelle-aux-Saints 1", and yes, he did appear to suffer from arthritis. But it and other neaderthal bones clearly are not the same modern humans.





Yes, that must have been SO useful to the people in the Gujarat earthquake, the Europe heatwaves, the Iran earthquake, Hurricane Jeanne, the Asian tsunami, Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Stan, the Pakistan earthquake, the Burma cyclone, the China earthquake, the Swine flu epidemic, the Haiti earthquake, the Chile earthquake, the Pakistan floods, the Yushu earthquake, the Queensland floods, the Christchurch earthquake, the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami, and the Burma earthquake.

After all, the Bible says natural disasters will someday happen somewhere. So it's their own fault, right? God is punishing these people?

God warned people that these things would happen. Many people to not listen to the government authorities, and die for that. Just as they do not listen to God.
Also people build homes and cities in known dangerous areas. In the US, LA and San Fran. are built right on top of a fault line. People build on land right at sea level or even below. Nuclear power plants are built, right next to the ocean and around where people live. Besides the scientists are using nuclear bombs ( testing them under ground) and nuclear power plants with not real idea how to get rid of wastes. The US had a major oil spill in the gulf, and ruined a huge area. Scientists do not know what they are doing with all of this stuff.
The US is playing with weather manipulation, so who knows what they will cause.

So it's a warning from the bible that these things will happen. It's a time to take note what going on.
Many people are asking that question. Well the bible tells you.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Ezekiel 4:6 (King James Version)

6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

2 Peter 3:8 (King James Version)

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psalm 90:2-4 (King James Version)

2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Watch's in the night in those days say were fairly short 2 hrs to about 4 hrs.
We also use the term in Noah's day. But Noah lived 350 years after the flood.

Genesis 2:17 (King James Version)

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam died when he was 930 years old. So a day meant 930 years for Adam.

It's not me telling you this, the bible is telling you.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I wonder if you read my posts on what a day in the bible?

I wonder if you read any of my links, which address your horrible attempt to lie about what the Bible says.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/could-god-have-created-in-six-days

Taking Genesis 1 in this way, at face value, without doubt it says that God created the universe, the earth, the sun, moon and stars, plants and animals, and the first two people within six ordinary (approximately 24-hour) days. Being really honest, you would have to admit that you could never get the idea of millions of years from reading this passage.


In every instance where someone has not accepted the “days” of creation to be ordinary days, they have not allowed the words of Scripture to speak to them in context, as the language requires for communication. They have been influenced by ideas from outside of Scripture. Thus, they have set a precedent that could allow any word to be reinterpreted by the preconceived ideas of the person reading the words. Ultimately, this will lead to a communication breakdown, as the same words in the same context could mean different things to different people.


To understand the meaning of “day” in Genesis 1, we need to determine how the Hebrew word for “day,” yom, is used in the context of Scripture. Consider the following:

• A typical concordance will illustrate that yom can have a range of meanings: a period of light as contrasted to night, a 24-hour period, time, a specific point of time, or a year.
• A classic, well-respected Hebrew-English lexicon8 (a dictionary) has seven headings and many subheadings for the meaning of yom—but it defines the creation days of Genesis 1 as ordinary days under the heading “day as defined by evening and morning.”
• A number and the phrase “evening and morning” are used with each of the six days of creation (Gen. 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31).
• Outside Genesis 1, yom is used with a number 359 times, and each time it means an ordinary day.9 Why would Genesis 1 be the exception?10
• Outside Genesis 1, yom is used with the word “evening” or “morning”11 23 times. “Evening” and “morning” appear in association, but without yom, 38 times. All 61 times the text refers to an ordinary day. Why would Genesis 1 be the exception?12
• In Genesis 1:5, yom occurs in context with the word “night.” Outside of Genesis 1, “night” is used with yom 53 times, and each time it means an ordinary day. Why would Genesis 1 be the exception? Even the usage of the word “light” with yom in this passage determines the meaning as ordinary day.13
• The plural of yom, which does not appear in Genesis 1, can be used to communicate a longer time period, such as “in those days.”14 Adding a number here would be nonsensical. Clearly, in Exodus 20:11, where a number is used with “days,” it unambiguously refers to six earth-rotation days.
• There are words in biblical Hebrew (such as olam or qedem) that are very suitable for communicating long periods of time, or indefinite time, but none of these words are used in Genesis 1.15 Alternatively, the days or years could have been compared with grains of sand if long periods were meant.

If we are prepared to let the words of the language speak to us in accord with the context and normal definitions, without being influenced by outside ideas, then the word for “day” found in Genesis 1—which is qualified by a number, the phrase “evening and morning” and for Day 1 the words “light and darkness”—obviously means an ordinary day (about 24 hours).


The seven-day week has no basis outside of Scripture. In this Old Testament passage, God commands His people, Israel, to work for six days and rest for one—thus giving us a reason why He deliberately took as long as six days to create everything. He set the example for man. Our week is patterned after this principle. Now if He created everything in six thousand (or six million) years, followed by a rest of one thousand or one million years, then we would have a very interesting week indeed.


Evolutionary scientists claim the fossil layers over the earth’s surface date back hundreds of millions of years. As soon as one allows millions of years for the fossil layers, then one has accepted death, bloodshed, disease, thorns, and suffering before Adam’s sin.

2 Peter 3:8 states that “one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,” therefore the days of creation could be long periods of time.

Answer

1. This passage has no creation context—it is not referring to Genesis or the six days of creation.
2. This verse has what is called a “comparative article”—“as” or “like”— which is not found in Genesis 1. In other words, it is not saying a day is a thousand years; it is comparing a real, literal day to a real, literal thousand years. The context of this passage is the Second Coming of Christ. It is saying that, to God, a day is like a thousand years, because God is outside of time. God is not limited by natural processes and time as humans are. What may seem like a long time to us (e.g., waiting for the Second Coming), or a short time, is nothing to God, either way.
3. The second part of the verse reads “and a thousand years as one day,” which, in essence, cancels out the first part of the verse for those who want to equate a day with a thousand years. Thus, it cannot be saying a day is a thousand years or vice versa.
4. Psalm 90:4 states, “For a thousand years in your sight are as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.” Here a thousand years is being compared with a “watch in the night” (four hours29). Because the phrase “watch in the night” is joined in a particular way to “yesterday,” it is saying that a thousand years is being compared with a short period of time—not simply to a day.
5. If one used this passage to claim that “day” in the Bible means a thousand years, then, to be consistent, one would have to say that Jonah was in the belly of the fish three thousand years, or that Jesus has not yet risen from the dead after two thousand years in the grave.

• Some people want the days of creation to be long periods in an attempt to harmonize evolution or billions of years with the Bible’s account of origins. However, the order of events according to long-age beliefs does not agree with that of Genesis. Consider the following table:

Contradictions betwen the order of creation in the Bible and evolution/long-ages

Biblical account of creation Evolutionary/long-age speculation Earth before the sun and stars Stars and sun before earth Earth covered in water initially Earth a molten blob initially Oceans first, then dry land Dry land, then the oceans Life first created on the land Life started in the oceans Plants created before the sun Plants came long after the sun Land animals created after birds Land animals existed before birds Whales before land animals Land animals before whales Clearly, those who do not accept the six literal days are the ones reading their own preconceived ideas into the passage.


If one allows science (which has wrongly become synonymous with evolution and materialism) to determine our understanding of Scripture, then this can lead to a slippery slope of unbelief through the rest of Scripture. For instance, science would proclaim that a person cannot be raised from the dead. Does this mean we should interpret the Resurrection of Christ to reflect this? Sadly, some do just this, saying that the Resurrection simply means that Jesus’ teachings live on in His followers.


In the original autographs, every word and letter in the Bible is there because God put it there. Let us listen to God speaking to us through His Word and not arrogantly think we can tell God what He really means!

[Cranky Old Man]

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So Neanderthal is just a needlessly complex word for Mexican?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

NEANDERTHAL MAN is also one of the better-known parts of the so-called evolutionary chain. When the first skull portion was found one scientist called it the skullcap of an idiot. Gradually interpretations changed as more bones were discovered. From early reconstructions that showed Neanderthals to be stooped and apelike, with long arms dangling down in front, we now have books that say that “Neanderthal probably did not look very different from some people of today.” One encyclopedia now says that they were “completely human, fully erect.” What a change! Comparing the illustrations in various books will show the adjustments in the claimed appearance of Neanderthal man. And rather than his being an idiot, it is now admitted that Neanderthal man had a larger brain than most modern men!
One reason why some scientists thought of Neanderthal as squat and bent is most interesting. An early skeleton found had bowed legs and a bent form. Of course, since they were looking for apelike creatures to fit their theory, how easy it was to make a mistake! Later, upon further examination, it was shown that the skeleton was deformed due to arthritis!

Yes, that was one specimen, known as "La Chapelle-aux-Saints 1", and yes, he did appear to suffer from arthritis. But it and other neaderthal bones clearly are not the same modern humans.

As for God sending sending prophets, well he already told us about natural disasters and be looking for them.

Yes, that must have been SO useful to the people in the Gujarat earthquake, the Europe heatwaves, the Iran earthquake, Hurricane Jeanne, the Asian tsunami, Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Stan, the Pakistan earthquake, the Burma cyclone, the China earthquake, the Swine flu epidemic, the Haiti earthquake, the Chile earthquake, the Pakistan floods, the Yushu earthquake, the Queensland floods, the Christchurch earthquake, the Tohoku earthquake and tsunami, and the Burma earthquake.

After all, the Bible says natural disasters will someday happen somewhere. So it's their own fault, right? God is punishing these people?

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I'm sorry friend, but if you try to deny that creation did not take 6 24-hour days, and that the world in 6,000 years old, then you are a heretic. Don't DARE call yourself a Christian!

How old is the earth according to the Bible?


Could God Really Have Created Everything in Six Days?

The Six Days of Creation

Did Creation take place in 6 literal days?

Did Creation Take Place in 7 Literal Days?

I wonder if you read my posts on what a day in the bible?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

The bible is both literal and not literal.

I'm sorry friend, but if you try to deny that creation did not take 6 24-hour days, and that the world in 6,000 years old, then you are a heretic. Don't DARE call yourself a Christian!

How old is the earth according to the Bible?


Could God Really Have Created Everything in Six Days?

The Six Days of Creation

Did Creation take place in 6 literal days?

Did Creation Take Place in 7 Literal Days?

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Actually, neanderthals fit you description just fine. There is no missing link. And why should they still be around?



And hey, maybe God should send down some prophets nowadays too. You know, let people know when a natural disaster is coming or something, like he did in the Bible. Try to save some lives. But I guess your god just doesn't care about things like that.

NEANDERTHAL MAN is also one of the better-known parts of the so-called evolutionary chain. When the first skull portion was found one scientist called it the skullcap of an idiot. Gradually interpretations changed as more bones were discovered. From early reconstructions that showed Neanderthals to be stooped and apelike, with long arms dangling down in front, we now have books that say that “Neanderthal probably did not look very different from some people of today.” One encyclopedia now says that they were “completely human, fully erect.” What a change! Comparing the illustrations in various books will show the adjustments in the claimed appearance of Neanderthal man. And rather than his being an idiot, it is now admitted that Neanderthal man had a larger brain than most modern men!
One reason why some scientists thought of Neanderthal as squat and bent is most interesting. An early skeleton found had bowed legs and a bent form. Of course, since they were looking for apelike creatures to fit their theory, how easy it was to make a mistake! Later, upon further examination, it was shown that the skeleton was deformed due to arthritis!

As for God sending sending prophets, well he already told us about natural disasters and be looking for them.

Matthew 24:6-9 (Amplified Bible)

6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened or troubled, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.

7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in place after place;

8All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the [a]birth pangs [of the [b]intolerable anguish].

This scriptures tells that when we see these things happening, we know we are at the beginning of the time, that the bible calls the 'time of the end'

So we are told and warned about, but most people do not listen.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I don't get it. You don't believe in the evilution, but at the same time, you don't believe in the six day creation.

What do you think was happening for all those billions of years? Was God creating new things and playing with His toy dinosaurs in His sandlot until He got bored with that and eventually decided to create humans?

It pretty much has to be one or the other. The Bible is true and literal or it isn't.

The bible is both literal and not literal.
For example,
at Luke 16:19-31,
Luke 16:19-31 (King James Version)

19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.



So is this literal or merely an illustration of something else? The Jerusalem Bible, in a footnote, acknowledges that it is a “parable in story form without reference to any historical personage.” If taken literally, it would mean that those enjoying divine favor could all fit at the bosom of one man, Abraham; that the water on one’s fingertip would not be evaporated by the fire of Hades; that a mere drop of water would bring relief to one suffering there. Does that sound reasonable to you? If it were literal, it would conflict with other parts of the Bible. If the Bible were thus contradictory, would a lover of truth use it as a basis for his faith? But the Bible does not contradict itself.
What does the parable mean? The “rich man” represented the Pharisees. (See verse 14.) The beggar Lazarus represented the common Jewish people who were despised by the Pharisees but who repented and became followers of Jesus. (See Luke 18:11; John 7:49; Matthew 21:31,*32.) Their deaths were also symbolic, representing a change in circumstances. Thus, the formerly despised ones came into a position of divine favor, and the formerly seemingly favored ones were rejected by God, while being tormented by the judgment messages delivered by the ones whom they had despised.—Acts 5:33; 7:54

So these verses are not literal.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I mean the almost humans, that are very close like us but not quite . You know the little step that would that would separates us from them. They should be around also. Where are they?

Actually, neanderthals fit you description just fine. There is no missing link. And why should they still be around?

Maybe the scientists should get one of those also.

And hey, maybe God should send down some prophets nowadays too. You know, let people know when a natural disaster is coming or something, like he did in the Bible. Try to save some lives. But I guess your god just doesn't care about things like that.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I mean the almost humans, that are very close like us but not quite . You know the little step that would that would separates us from them. They should be around also. Where are they?



Maybe the scientists should get one of those also.

I don't get it. You don't believe in the evilution, but at the same time, you don't believe in the six day creation.

What do you think was happening for all those billions of years? Was God creating new things and playing with His toy dinosaurs in His sandlot until He got bored with that and eventually decided to create humans?

It pretty much has to be one or the other. The Bible is true and literal or it isn't.