[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

So two things there.
1, God roars and 2, the Earth shakes.
That would take some some blast!!

As viewed from Earth it would seem to be a blast, but it's not a big bang on the Earth it's a vast storm in space. That sun burst will rape the world with fire, as God said would be so, and viewed from Earth it would seem so. It's the same in Gen 1 if meant to be "real" it's quite wrong but if meant as seen from on the Earth (which was made first, it says) then it makes sense.

God does can sense in this way but I don't just read it, I try to live it too. Where will we go when there is no more Earth?

We go to Heaven. Or Hell. Do try to keep up.

I really don't see why you need to convert God to science fiction. God roars and the Earth shakes all the time. All God needs to do is really let loose instead of storms and earthquakes.

[Adam Fag]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

We go to Heaven. Or Hell. Do try to keep up.

I really don't see why you need to convert God to science fiction. God roars and the Earth shakes all the time. All God needs to do is really let loose instead of storms and earthquakes.

Which heaven do we go to?

Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea

If Hell is "down there" in the ground and the "first earth" will pass then that Hell will pass too. It does NOT say there will be a new Earth and a new Hell. Where does this New Earth come from?

God and science fact tell us where. But please note that I don't say the new Earth is a space ship. Well I don't think I do. But what comes next?

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Could that be a new ark? It seems to come from the sky and if it were there now we'd see it. If that is true it would need to be a long long way off. We can see this, and it's quite small

so a New York sized one would be hard to miss. It must be a long long way off. How did John know it was there?

Nearly up to Rev 22 now, but quite tired it must be bed time.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Which heaven do we go to?

The one God sends us to! It's like you have some sort of disease where you have to look for hidden complexity.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

[Adam Fag]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

So, is there a new Hell?

What turns out for those folk in the "old" Hell (which would seem to be a part of the "old" Earth)?

[as per yr sig]

[Compassion]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Science created the internet, where we can all share our views and thoughts, even though we are far away from each other. So maybe science isn't all bad.
Faith created prayer, where we can communicate with the Lord and learn about love, forgiveness, and the peace of God. So maybe faith isn't all bad.

I think that science and faith both exist for a reason. Maybe God included both in His plan so that we can use them together. For example: science created the chemicals and devices to create paper and ink, and to stamp the ink on the paper, wrap it into books, and distribute them. Faith created the Bible. So the Bible can reach almost anyone in God's Creation, and we can all learn the true Word of God. See? Science and faith coexisting, helping one another.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Science created the internet,

Wrong. Humans created the internet. Humans are created with a freedom to choose to fear God or love Satan. You have to understand, that which you can see is only part of the reality of creation. We do not simply fight for physical survival, but spiritual survival:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:12

where we can all share our views and thoughts, even though we are far away from each other. So maybe science isn't all bad.

Science is morally neutral. It simply means knowing how the natural world works. We have the answer to that,

Faith created prayer, where we can communicate with the Lord and learn about love, forgiveness, and the peace of God. So maybe faith isn't all bad.

"Maybe faith isn't all bad?" Son, how exactly do you think salvation works?

I think that science and faith both exist for a reason. Maybe God included both in His plan so that we can use them together. For example: science created the chemicals and devices to create paper and ink, and to stamp the ink on the paper, wrap it into books, and distribute them. Faith created the Bible. So the Bible can reach almost anyone in God's Creation, and we can all learn the true Word of God. See? Science and faith coexisting, helping one another.

Friend, no one here is interested in your Osamba-comie, hippie mumbo-jumbo. We're here to praise Jesus and I don't see anything in your post that praises Jesus.

[Adam Fag]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

It's the same in Gen 1 if meant to be "real" it's quite wrong but if meant as seen from on the Earth (which was made first, it says) then it makes sense.

You have to understand, that which you can see is only part of the reality of creation.

Hey Eth! Thanks for that It's nice when you back me up.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Hey Eth! Thanks for that It's nice when you back me up.

Forget the ventilation when using the paint stripper again?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Hey Eth! Thanks for that It's nice when you back me up.

You poor deluded thing. I would never support such unsaved trashy comments.

[Adam Fag]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

No, in fact I've run out of paint now but did get a fair bit done last year.

Just on my 3rd book too.

Exodus 2:5 And the daughter of Pharaoh came down to wash herself at the river; and her maidens walked along by the river's side; and when she saw the ark among the flags, she sent her maid to fetch it.6 And when she had opened it, she saw the child: and, behold, the babe wept. And she had compassion on him, and said, This is one of the Hebrews' children.7 Then said his sister to Pharaoh's daughter, Shall I go and call to thee a nurse of the Hebrew women, that she may nurse the child for thee?8 And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go. And the maid went and called the child's mother.9 And Pharaoh's daughter said unto her, Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will give thee thy wages. And the woman took the child, and nursed it.10 And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water.

The wee one at that age (3 months) would not be able to see much. In his slime ark there would just be her face, who drew him from the Nile, and her voice. Who was she? Who was her God?

Exodus 2:3 And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river's brink.

As Eth said, God has not told us much and we can't see much of what He's made.

that which you can see is only part of the reality of creation

Now that we have science we get a clear view of so much more. We know how vast it all is, which stars shone in the Nile and how they were thought of then. Was their science on a par with ours? I think it was. We know what they all say they did & can track back to see: Was what they said Right or Wrong?

Just like Eth said.

[Kitchen Keepin]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

This entire thread has frightened and confused me. Does the sun end before or AFTER the rapture?

I'm trembling til my husband gets home and he will straighten me out.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

This entire thread has frightened and confused me. Does the sun end before or AFTER the rapture?

I'm trembling til my husband gets home and he will straighten me out.

Your best bet is to see if it is an unsaved piece of trash making the assertion. Adam Ski is at best a person who makes up random stuff about aliens then tries to shoehorn it into the Bible and at worst a deluded, tripping crack head.

[handmaiden]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

This entire thread has frightened and confused me. Does the sun end before or AFTER the rapture?

I'm trembling til my husband gets home and he will straighten me out.

I know how your feel Sister KK. But remember that Jesus always looks after His sheep.

You know what I do when unbelievers start tearing into the faith?

I replace their "babble, babble, babble" with Bible, BIBLE, BIBLE".


It's the only way to deal with the confusion of the outside world, dear.



Contentedly Yours,

Handmaiden

[Adam Fag]

Re: the stone henge in Wilts

We know where God comes from.

Hosea 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

I've just got back from a break down in Wilts. My friends there are all a bit odd but I went with them to have a look at the stone henge and I thought "is this the same God from the same place?"

My friends thought so.

[Foolish Atheist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

So you are saying that if God himself came to earth and told you all that Christianity was wrong and the Mormons were right, you would still be a Christian.

And to support science: If your teacher said it was scientific fact that trees were not flammable and you believed him without testing his hypothesis. Then after 15 years of believing that trees are not flammable you see a tree burning, you should be thinking, wow my teacher was wrong after all these years. But according to your chart you should ignore the fact that the tree is burning and carry on your way thinking that trees can not burn.