[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Creation scientists have discovered mountains of evidence against evolution and in favor of a young earth and a worldwide Flood, but mainstream science just ignores it. They're not willing to listen or change. They only look for evidence that fits their worldview, that is, that God doesn't exist and that man evolved.



Men inspired by the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible. It isn't made up.

2 Pet 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Science is a wishy-washy belief system. It keeps changing. The theory of evolution has changed many times over the last 150 years. Science is a man-made religion. Men in white coats in a lab somewhere make it all up as they go along. Wouldn't you rather believe in God's infallible, unchanging Word?



God doesn't want us to think for ourselves.

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

You might also find this thread useful.

The Bible encourages parents to raise their children in the fear of the Lord.

Prov 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.



And what is the point of religion, exactly? To be open-minded?

There's so many things wrong with this that it's hard to figure out where to start.
First of all, creation scientists? You can't call yourselves scientists when you spend half your time bitching about science.
Second, please link me to this mound of evidence supporting a young earth. Meanwhile, look up the even larger mountain of evidence supporting evolution and a 4 billion year old Earth.
Next up, bible- any evidence that any holy spirit ever existed to contact anyone? No. And no, you can't use the bible as evidence for the creation of the bible.

Science is pretty damn solid compared to religion. The men in white coats find some rock hard evidence and base their conclusions off it. Your religion is based off an outdated book that some people made up. You have no evidence that God actually exists or that the bible was written by 'men inspired by the Holy Spirit'. He might exist, and when there's solid proof of that, I'll gladly believe it.

Rational thinking is just the better way to do things, simple as that. God MIGHT exist and to be honest, the bible MIGHT be true, even though there's a pile of contradicting evidence. We MIGHT all be living inside someone's furry fingernail right now and he's tampering with all the evidence. But since it is far more likely that the evidence is correct, there's a load more of it supporting science than your version of Christianity. And that's what I'll choose to believe, because I can think rationally, while all of you are apparently being restricted from doing that.

I've never read the Bible and don't intend to so don't bother with the quotes. But your analysis of that quote is a little off, doesn't really say anything about fearing God.

I think the purpose of religion is to bring people the peace of mind and pretty much to make them feel better. It certainly isn't about following an old book or promoting close-minded bigotry.

[Pim Pendergast]

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There's so many things wrong with this that it's hard to figure out where to start.
First of all, creation scientists? You can't call yourselves scientists when you spend half your time bitching about science.
Second, please link me to this mound of evidence supporting a young earth.

First off, I don't call myself a Creation scientist. But I am a Creationist.

Second, you want links? You can always try our own Creation science forum or you can try Answers in Genesis.

Rational thinking is just the better way to do things, simple as that. God MIGHT exist and to be honest, the bible MIGHT be true, even though there's a pile of contradicting evidence. We MIGHT all be living inside someone's furry fingernail right now and he's tampering with all the evidence. But since it is far more likely that the evidence is correct, there's a load more of it supporting science than your version of Christianity. And that's what I'll choose to believe, because I can think rationally, while all of you are apparently being restricted from doing that.

How can the Bible be true if there is any contradicting evidence, let alone a whole pile of it, as you claim? If God exists, how can there be any evidence against His existence? That is logic. What are you exactly? An agnostic? An atheist? An agnostic atheist? And what do you mean by "our version of Christianity?" Do you mean that the scientific evidence casts doubt on the existence of the God of the 1611 KJV Bible and on the beliefs of Evangelical Baptists but not on other "versions of Christianity," such as liberal, fluffy-bunny Christianity? I don't see how the evidence could cast doubt on only "our version" of Christianity. If the Bible is wrong and the earth wasn't created by God over six days 6,000 years ago and Jesus didn't really rise from the dead, then all "branches of Christianity" are wrong. If that evidence really existed, it would be huge. It would destroy Catholicism, Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, Methodism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Mormonism. I could go on, but I think you get the picture. If the Bible is wrong and God doesn't exist, then neither is any good to anyone, whatever their "version of Christianity."

I've never read the Bible and don't intend to so don't bother with the quotes. But your analysis of that quote is a little off, doesn't really say anything about fearing God.

If you're going to argue with Christians, you should get to know the Bible a bit. You can't criticise us for quoting the Bible to you; that's what we do. If you actually read it, I think you would realise that liberal, fluffy-bunnyism is completely incompatible with it.

The verse I quoted was in response to your comment:

You're a horde of followers who can't think for yourselves because you probably got brainwashed by your parents or some preacher somewhere.

I was trying to demonstrate that the Bible tells Christian parents to instil Biblical doctrines in their children's heads. The fear of the Lord is one of those things.

Ps 111:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments.

In this verse the fear of the Lord is equated with following God's commandments. A reverent fear of God and obedience to His commandments is something we must teach our children. We are to raise them in the "nurture and admonition of the Lord" (Eph 6:4). Don't presume to tell us what the Bible means when you are so unstudied in it. I think that the verse I quoted was an adequate response to your statement that we "got brainwashed by our parents." Apart from evangelism, this is one the main ways the church grows. Many of us have been raised in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Our parents taught us to fear God and follow His commandments, and now that we are grown up, we will not depart from it.

Prov 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

I think the purpose of religion is to bring people the peace of mind and pretty much to make them feel better. It certainly isn't about following an old book or promoting close-minded bigotry.

That's funny, considering most religions follow an old book and are not open-minded to everything science has to teach. Islam, for example, has the Koran, and many conservative Muslims reject evolution. Islamic extremists are extremely closed-minded and bigoted. Are they not religious? How much peace of mind does it give them and how much better does it make them and their families feel when one of them blows themselves up in a bomb vest? If we Christians threw away the Bible and "opened our minds up," what kind of a religion would we have left? What would we benefit from calling ourselves Christians? Why not look for peace of mind in philosophy or psychology or family or friends or wherever else one might find it?

Religion can be defined as

1 a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

5 the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

That is what a religion is. It has to meet these criteria. If it meets these criteria, it is a religion, regardless of whether it brings peace of mind or makes people feel better or adheres to an old book or promotes close-minded bigotry. So who are you to decide what the purpose of religion is? Sounds to me like something you just made up.

[Redeemed Papist]

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There's so many things wrong with this that it's hard to figure out where to start.
First of all, creation scientists? You can't call yourselves scientists when you spend half your time bitching about science.
Second, please link me to this mound of evidence supporting a young earth. Meanwhile, look up the even larger mountain of evidence supporting evolution and a 4 billion year old Earth.
Next up, bible- any evidence that any holy spirit ever existed to contact anyone? No. And no, you can't use the bible as evidence for the creation of the bible.

Science is pretty damn solid compared to religion. The men in white coats find some rock hard evidence and base their conclusions off it. Your religion is based off an outdated book that some people made up. You have no evidence that God actually exists or that the bible was written by 'men inspired by the Holy Spirit'. He might exist, and when there's solid proof of that, I'll gladly believe it.

Rational thinking is just the better way to do things, simple as that. God MIGHT exist and to be honest, the bible MIGHT be true, even though there's a pile of contradicting evidence. We MIGHT all be living inside someone's furry fingernail right now and he's tampering with all the evidence. But since it is far more likely that the evidence is correct, there's a load more of it supporting science than your version of Christianity. And that's what I'll choose to believe, because I can think rationally, while all of you are apparently being restricted from doing that.

I've never read the Bible and don't intend to so don't bother with the quotes. But your analysis of that quote is a little off, doesn't really say anything about fearing God.

I think the purpose of religion is to bring people the peace of mind and pretty much to make them feel better. It certainly isn't about following an old book or promoting close-minded bigotry.

Totally missed the point about science never being able to make its mind up and lacking certainty. Deep down every scientist knows he's wrong and is going to need to change his mind at some point while every True Christian is convinced he's right.

This is what God gives you: certainty!

[Alkalai]

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Religion can be defined as

That is what a religion is. It has to meet these criteria. If it meets these criteria, it is a religion, regardless of whether it brings peace of mind or makes people feel better or adheres to an old book or promotes close-minded bigotry. So who are you to decide what the purpose of religion is? Sounds to me like something you just made up.

Quote was getting too long. Anyway, purpose of religion=/= definition of religion. However, using that definition, the purpose of religion could be a lot of things, depending on the person. The one I stated would be the purpose of my particular religion, which is a stripped down version of another religion. So that part's cleared up. Oh and when I said "your version", I did not mean only your version.

Your creation science forum is just sad. First thread, "Are Stars Actually Diamonds?!" would be just fine if it wasn't backed up by "Science and Math confirms it!" Ignoring the fact that you're all against science, it's the most flawed science ever. You seriously cannot use just observation and expect to be right, especially if you're apparently observing space without a telescope. And since when was the sun a lump of coal?

What I'm arguing here is that the bible was probably not created by God, that God probably does not exist, and that, after reading some threads, most of you have some serious.. problems..


Okay. New question. Why do you believe in God? The answer can't be "because it's in the bible", and I'll explain why if you can't figure that out. But what is it that makes you think God actually exists?

[Pim Pendergast]

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Anyway, purpose of religion=/= definition of religion.

Isn't the purpose of religion at least partly defined by what religion is? Doesn't the definition of religion rule certain things in or out regarding its purpose? You said the purpose of religion was to bring people peace of mind and make them feel better and not about following an old book and not practising closed-minded bigotry. Yet following an old book and practising what you call closed-minded bigotry is what defines most religions. You were the one who first conflated the purpose of religion with the definition of religion.

1 a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Most religions get their set of beliefs and moral code from a written or oral source. For us Christians it's the 1611 KJV. Uncompromisingly following this moral code to the letter makes us "closed-minded" in your eyes. But this perfectly fits the definition of religion. The good thing about the definition of religion is that it is concrete. Where did you get your idea about the purpose of religion? Who gets to decide that? Can you quote a reliable source that will give a concrete answer that applies to religion in general?

However, using that definition, the purpose of religion could be a lot of things, depending on the person.

Yes, it was a broad definition. You were the one who extended the scope beyond Christianity by talking about what you think religion should be like in general.

The one I stated would be the purpose of my particular religion, which is a stripped down version of another religion. So that part's cleared up. Oh and when I said "your version", I did not mean only your version.

So what is your particular religion? Is it a stripped-down version of Christianity? I asked you before what you believed, whether you were agnostic/ atheist. I would appreciate a straight answer. It would make things a lot easier if I knew.

What I'm arguing here is that the bible was probably not created by God, that God probably does not exist

So there is doubt in your mind as to whether the Bible was inspired by God and whether the God of the Bible exists? You believe the Bible could be right and God could exist?

Why do you believe in God? The answer can't be "because it's in the bible", and I'll explain why if you can't figure that out. But what is it that makes you think God actually exists?

The Bible tells us that Creation clearly reveals God existence. Creation isn't in the Bible; it's all around you.

Rom 1:18-20
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

[Redeemed Papist]

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The purpose of religion is never being wrong.

[Alkalai]

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Isn't the purpose of religion at least partly defined by what religion is? Doesn't the definition of religion rule certain things in or out regarding its purpose? You said the purpose of religion was to bring people peace of mind and make them feel better and not about following an old book and not practising closed-minded bigotry. Yet following an old book and practising what you call closed-minded bigotry is what defines most religions. You were the one who first conflated the purpose of religion with the definition of religion.

Most religions get their set of beliefs and moral code from a written or oral source. For us Christians it's the 1611 KJV. Uncompromisingly following this moral code to the letter makes us "closed-minded" in your eyes. But this perfectly fits the definition of religion. The good thing about the definition of religion is that it is concrete. Where did you get your idea about the purpose of religion? Who gets to decide that? Can you quote a reliable source that will give a concrete answer that applies to religion in general?

Yes, it was a broad definition. You were the one who extended the scope beyond Christianity by talking about what you think religion should be like in general.

So what is your particular religion? Is it a stripped-down version of Christianity? I asked you before what you believed, whether you were agnostic/ atheist. I would appreciate a straight answer. It would make things a lot easier if I knew.

So there is doubt in your mind as to whether the Bible was inspired by God and whether the God of the Bible exists? You believe the Bible could be right and God could exist?

The Bible tells us that Creation clearly reveals God existence. Creation isn't in the Bible; it's all around you.

I decide the purpose of religion in my view. It's what religion does for me personally. Probably doesn't apply to you. I'm telling you that what you think the purpose of religion is is probably really twisted, judging by these forums.

Gonna ignore that question about my religion seeing as I'm here to tell you how you're wrong.

Of course there's doubt. There's a chance that you're right about everything but it's extremely improbable. Like I said before, all the evidence we have may have been subtly put on earth by an invisible fish. But I'm not going to believe that because, based on what we know about reality, that's not what's happening. No one can conclusively prove your religion wrong and you can't prove it right, but there's a far greater chance that mainstream science is right than your religion.

So Creation -> Bible/God.
How do you know Creation is right though? Not sure how you can feel it all around you.

Also is this a satirical forum? Because the "Humanism is evil" thread was hilarious.

[Pim Pendergast]

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I decide the purpose of religion in my view. It's what religion does for me personally. Probably doesn't apply to you. I'm telling you that what you think the purpose of religion is is probably really twisted, judging by these forums.

Gonna ignore that question about my religion seeing as I'm here to tell you how you're wrong.

So you are religious, but you're not a Bible-believing Christian. I could shift the burden of proof onto you. What proof do you have that your religion is right? If you get to decide what the purpose of religion is, then you have pretty much removed the need for a higher authority (God). And if you think there is no God, no one higher than yourself, you might as well go all the way and become an atheist. When you tell us that our view of the purpose of religion is twisted, what authority do you base that on? If you get to decide that religion is about peace of mind and well-being, maybe we get to decide it's about following the Bible and it's strict moral code to the letter. And if each person gets to decide for themselves, then how can we be wrong, as you claim?

Just remember that you are a guest here and this is not a debate forum. You are not here to tell us how we are wrong; we are here to show you the error of your ways. I believe I have answered all of your questions to the best of my ability. I haven't ignored any of them. If you respond to this, please tell us what your religion is.

[Alkalai]

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So you are religious, but you're not a Bible-believing Christian. I could shift the burden of proof onto you. What proof do you have that your religion is right? If you get to decide what the purpose of religion is, then you have pretty much removed the need for a higher authority (God). And if you think there is no God, no one higher than yourself, you might as well go all the way and become an atheist. When you tell us that our view of the purpose of religion is twisted, what authority do you base that on? If you get to decide that religion is about peace of mind and well-being, maybe we get to decide it's about following the Bible and it's strict moral code to the letter. And if each person gets to decide for themselves, then how can we be wrong, as you claim?

Just remember that you are a guest here and this is not a debate forum. You are not here to tell us how we are wrong; we are here to show you the error of your ways. I believe I have answered all of your questions to the best of my ability. I haven't ignored any of them. If you respond to this, please tell us what your religion is.

I'm not strongly religious, I just believe in parts of the teachings of Buddha which I think logically make sense. Higher being? I believe in the possibility of a higher being.

It's twisted because of all the ridiculous crap on this site. Sticking to reality as we know it, the evidence supports stars as balls of energy. Evolution as a fairly solid theory. It does not support the existence of God and certainly not the Bible or stars as diamonds or a flat earth.

Why is the Bible your strict moral code? Because it's the word of God? Why do you trust God? Because the Bible tells you to. If someone were to create a flow chart about your religion, it'd go around in this circle without a real answer. And the real answer would probably come when you ask yourselves what the driving force is. The basic motivation that causes you to believe? Want of happiness? Peace of mind? ...hunger?

You get to decide what religion does for you. But your religion supports racism, intolerance, violence(beating people? the heck?), and apparently slavery too. My conscience tells me these things are wrong, hence why I think your ideas are twisted. I don't need a book to tell me what's right or wrong, I can decide that for myself. Now obviously we were raised differently, which influences our choices. But those things I stated don't make me feel any better, instead I feel disgusted by them and by this religion.


Also. I can see why this isn't a debate forum, you're all horrible at it.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

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I'm not strongly religious, I just believe in parts of the teachings of Buddha which I think logically make sense.

Friend, I do not see how the worship of a satanic slant-eyed symbol of a certain rotundness of a golden calf makes any sense. You may as well worship a stick in the mud.

You are in grave danger of a sickular fascination with a homersexural lifestyle and an inherant aberration agains all things holy because your own lust will surrender you to the power of temptation; True-Christians™ do not have this problem because we cannot be tempted with no more than we can handle; however, your satanic practices rectally open you up to all forms of unholy cognitions, a lisp, crossdressing, and other forms of debachery and abomination such as the liberal agenda.

1 Corinthians

10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

[Alkalai]

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Friend, I do not see how the worship of a satanic slant-eyed symbol of a certain rotundness of a golden calf makes any sense. You may as well worship a stick in the mud.

You are in grave danger of a sickular fascination with a homersexural lifestyle and an inherant aberration agains all things holy because your own lust will surrender you to the power of temptation; True-Christians™ do not have this problem because we cannot be tempted with no more than we can handle; however, your satanic practices rectally open you up to all forms of unholy cognitions, a lisp, crossdressing, and other forms of debachery and abomination such as the liberal agenda.

Hence why I was reluctant in revealing my religion. I did say "parts which logically make sense." If you think all of that is logical.. okay then.

[Pim Pendergast]

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I'm not strongly religious, I just believe in parts of the teachings of Buddha which I think logically make sense.

So which bits have you decided are true? Do you believe in Nirvana? Do you pray? Do you sometimes visit a temple? Do you believe the Dalai Lama is a reincarnation of previous spiritual leaders?

Why is the Bible your strict moral code? Because it's the word of God? Why do you trust God? Because the Bible tells you to.

Basically. See the OP.

You get to decide what religion does for you. But your religion supports racism, intolerance, violence(beating people? the heck?), and apparently slavery too.

But we don't get to decide. We follow the Bible. We do what God wants us to do. If we don't get to decide, then clearly not everyone gets to decide for themselves what religion does for them. So why do you get to decide? Doesn't each religion stipulate its own purpose? For example, doesn't buddhism teach that its main purpose is to end suffering through eliminating ignorance and craving so that one can achieve Nirvana?

My conscience tells me these things are wrong, hence why I think your ideas are twisted. I don't need a book to tell me what's right or wrong, I can decide that for myself. Now obviously we were raised differently, which influences our choices. But those things I stated don't make me feel any better, instead I feel disgusted by them and by this religion.

If you're conscience is your ultimate guide, why follow buddhism?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I'm not strongly religious, I just believe in parts of the teachings of Buddha which I think logically make sense. Higher being? I believe in the possibility of a higher being.

So you'd rather worship an obese dead chink than the Savior of Mankind? What kind of a perverted race traitor are you?

That booda guy was a demon. Take a look at THIS!

[Redeemed Papist]

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Hence why I was reluctant in revealing my religion. I did say "parts which logically make sense." If you think all of that is logical.. okay then.

What has any of that to do with if you are right?

We know we are right because the bible tells us so. Why try to make it all complicated by giving a damn what some dead chink said?

Seriously, you geek freaks really baffle me. I'm sure "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife..." makes no logical sense to an adulterer in the same way as But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: makes no logical sense to someone who takes "Thou shalt not kill" out of context. You need to read the whole thing to understand the reality of God and how it all makes perfect sense.

[Alkalai]

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So you'd rather worship an obese dead chink than the Savior of Mankind? What kind of a perverted race traitor are you?

That booda guy was a demon. Take a look at THIS!

Proper link to Bhudda's teachings.

http://online.sfsu.edu/rone/Buddhism/footsteps.htm

I don't worship Bhudda. Also don't think he wanted anyone to worship him. I just think he was a wise man guiding people towards inner peace.
His teachings don't dictate my actions, but they're a guide. Way more helpful than the bible, for me anyway. Would probably be useful for all of you too.