[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

So long. Can't reply in full right now, still using an iPhone and typing with it sucks. Will get back to you in like a week maybe.

Little note though- I do not represent/support all of buddhism or believe in all it's teachings.

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

...Again, sounds very scientific, until we get to:

The law of cause and effect is known as karma. Nothing ever happens to us unless we deserve it. We receive exactly what we earn, whether it is good or bad. We are the way we are now due to the things we have done in the past. Our thoughts and actions determine the kind of life we can have. If we do good things, in the future good things will happen to us. If we do bad things, in the future bad things will happen to us. Every moment we create new karma by what we say, do, and think.

Which explains to us that twenty 6- and 7-year-olds DESERVED TO GET SHOT in Connecticut last week, because of horrendous sins they'd committed previously.

It also implies that Adam Lanza was doing the work of God/the Universe, is therefore a martyr in a holy cause, and deserves a state funeral befitting his heroic deeds.

Are you, Alkalai, feeling as nauseated reading that as I am writing it?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Oh dear. I only started this thread to show how horrible and wrong scientists are. Now we have attracted an evil false religious dot head wannabe from Satan. What's wrong with these people? Why do they want us to go to Hell?

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Simply put, the idea of karma was meant to encourage good behavior. It was also an observation that there is a cause and an effect in every action. Read his words, does he look like he supports violence?

If you get the general theme, all his teachings can fall under that theme.

And I'm not here to convince you idiots to join Buddhism. Just saying it makes much more sense than Christianity. Morally and scientifically.

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Simply put, the idea of karma was meant to encourage good behavior...

So was the Bible. It's worked great, hasn't it? Slavery, Inquisitions, Crusades, etc.

...And I'm not here to convince you idiots to join Buddhism. Just saying it makes much more sense than Christianity. Morally and scientifically.

Orly? How do you morally justify the inevitable conclusion that those kids in Connecticut DESERVED to get shot? How do you scientifically justify the idea of reincarnation?

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

So was the Bible. It's worked great, hasn't it? Slavery, Inquisitions, Crusades, etc.





Orly? How do you morally justify the inevitable conclusion that those kids in Connecticut DESERVED to get shot? How do you scientifically justify the idea of reincarnation?

If you have a moral compass that twisted and can't read, I can't help you. I reject reincarnation. Said this before..

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

If you have a moral compass that twisted and can't read, I can't help you...

For future reference, you might want to bookmark this:

sar·casm [sahr-kaz-uh m] Show IPA
noun
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

The point I was trying to make (and you missed completely), is that the ultimate result of any action may have nothing to do with the intentions involved in performing that action.

...I reject reincarnation. Said this before..

You don't know what you believe, you just know everyone else is wrong. Got it.

Still believe in karma? Still believe that those kids DESERVED TO DIE, violently?

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

For future reference, you might want to bookmark this:


The point I was trying to make (and you missed completely), is that the ultimate result of any action may have nothing to do with the intentions involved in performing that action.



You don't know what you believe, you just know everyone else is wrong. Got it.

Still believe in karma? Still believe that those kids DESERVED TO DIE, violently?

Pretty sure Buddhism in no way motivated or influenced the shooting in any way whatsoever while Christianity certainly influenced slavery and the rest. Also don't think karma could be used to motivate negative actions at all, except apparently for accusing people of supporting shooting children.

I know exactly what I believe but you don't.
Also assumed you were Christian. What are you then, atheist?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

If you have a moral compass that twisted and can't read, I can't help you. I reject reincarnation. Said this before..

Let's look at what you said before.

Ideas such as the three universal truths and four noble truths however have been proven by science (laws of conservation, action-reaction) or are the products of logical thought, hence why I believe they are true.

So I quoted the three universal truths from the link you provided. And now you say:

Simply put, the idea of karma was meant to encourage good behavior. It was also an observation that there is a cause and an effect in every action. Read his words, does he look like he supports violence?

He may not condone violent actions, but the article which you linked to states that we deserve everything that happens to us. The inescapable conclusion is that those children who were shot in CT deserved to die, but because you don't believe in reincarnation like a real buddhist, those children will never have the chance to improve themselves in a next life or be compensated for the evil they endured, and the shooter won't receive bad karma in a next life. If there is no next life for these people, then they can't receive the effect of their actions. If there is no reincarnation, death stops the cycle of cause and effect. And so there isn't a cause and effect for every action, which is what the article you linked to claims.

If you get the general theme, all his teachings can fall under that theme.

What was the general theme of his teachings then? You said you believed in the three universal truths, but now it looks like you cherry-pick "general themes" from these essential teachings of buddhism.

Just saying it makes much more sense than Christianity. Morally and scientifically.

No it doesn't. The three universal truths are not compatible with modern secular science, so stop using science to bolster your argument.

[Alkalai]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Let's look at what you said before.



So I quoted the three universal truths from the link you provided. And now you say:



He may not condone violent actions, but the article which you linked to states that we deserve everything that happens to us. The inescapable conclusion is that those children who were shot in CT deserved to die, but because you don't believe in reincarnation like a real buddhist, those children will never have the chance to improve themselves in a next life or be compensated for the evil they endured, and the shooter won't receive bad karma in a next life. If there is no next life for these people, then they can't receive the effect of their actions. If there is no reincarnation, death stops the cycle of cause and effect. And so there isn't a cause and effect for every action, which is what the article you linked to claims.



What was the general theme of his teachings then?



No it doesn't. The three universal truths are not compatible with modern secular science, so stop using science to bolster your argument.

Please explain how there isn't both a cause and effect for every action. It's irrefutable logic. You did something- cause. What happened because you did it? There has to be an answer. I equate his law scientifically to the action-reaction law. However, Buddha goes further than just forces and applies it to everything. I do not believe in reincarnation, which means I don't believe in that particular part of karma.

Now let's ask: Based on all of his teachings, would Buddha think the children deserved to be shot? Given that he believed past lives influenced their fate, I would say he did think the children must have done something in their past lives to deserve it. Would he think it was right in any way? No because he doesnt approve of violence.

Since I do not believe in reincarnation or past lives, I do not believe they did anything to deserve their deaths. However, I do believe people who do evil get evil back in the form of jail, death, pain, guilt, fear, or the pitiful state of being psychotic.

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

...Also assumed you were Christian...

Just because I'm on a Baptist Church's website? Um, so are you.

... What are you then, atheist?

Most people notice the little awards (under my name) that the moderators have been kind of to give me. Here, I'll list them for you: Hellbound Heathen, Atheist, Cancer on Society, hippie, Caution - Poster is Crazy, Evilution, and Perv. Between that and a fully red reputation bar (that goes to 11), what do you think?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Proper link to Bhudda's teachings.

http://online.sfsu.edu/rone/Buddhism/footsteps.htm

I don't worship Bhudda. Also don't think he wanted anyone to worship him. I just think he was a wise man guiding people towards inner peace.
His teachings don't dictate my actions, but they're a guide. Way more helpful than the bible, for me anyway. Would probably be useful for all of you too.

The boodhist pope, aka tha Dolly Llama, is a well-known nazi. Like all boodhists.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

Please explain how there isn't both a cause and effect for every action. It's irrefutable logic. You did something- cause. What happened because you did it? There has to be an answer.

So what's the answer in the case of the CT shooting? The shooter committed suicide to escape the consequence (effect) of his actions. If there is no reincarnation, he is blissfully oblivious and will never suffer any bad karma. He got away with it.

I equate his law scientifically to the action-reaction law.

I've been over this before. The law of action-reaction =/= karma.

However, Buddha goes further than just forces and applies it to everything.

The law of action-reaction hadn't been discovered in buddha's day, so how could he apply a law he didn't know existed to everyday life? From a secular scientific point of view, the law of action-reaction applies only to forces, not to human behavior. You might as well try to apply the second law of thermodynamics to human behavior. You're twisting science again.

Now let's ask: Based on all of his teachings, would Buddha think the children deserved to be shot?

Yes. See the link which you provided, which clearly states:

Nothing ever happens to us unless we deserves it.

This is further confirmed by your next statement.

Given that he believed past lives influenced their fate, I would say he did think the children must have done something in their past lives to deserve it.

Since I do not believe in reincarnation or past lives, I do not believe they did anything to deserve their deaths. However, I do believe people who do evil get evil back in the form of jail, death, pain, guilt, fear, or the pitiful state of being psychotic.

If there is no reincarnation, no next life, no hell, how is death a punishment for those who do evil? I'm thinking of people like the CT shooter here. And modern secular scientists, who have supposedly proved buddhism true (not!), would disagree that the state of being psychotic is the result of bad karma. They would say it is genetic.

[Didymus Much]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

...What are you then, atheist?

Now I see the moderators have "blessed" me with a new title to prevent further misunderstandings like yours. Um, thanks?

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: The fatal flaw in atheistic thinking exposed in one simple diagram!

I don't think the bible is the truth or anything remotely related to the truth. It isn't a card you can use, because you can't prove it's true. Your God proves bible and bible proves God thing is flawed reasoning.

Where does it say that in the Bible young man? It does not. In fact the Bible says it is True, therefore, it is True because God said, because the Bible says so.

On a personal note, we True-Christians™ have an annointing that confirms the Truth of the scripture because the Bible says so because it is True.

Your demons of seduction do not work in this Church.

1 John
2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

2 Timothy
3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Hebrews
4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Now friend, concerning the fact that your idol is nothing more than a slant symbol for homoeroticism and all things unholy which offers not propitiation and forgiveness of sin(for buttha is dead), it is time for you to cast away this dumb idol and surrender to the warm and loving touch of Jesus.

Or suffer the just consequencies of rejecting Jesus who is nigh at hand.

Isaiah
31:7 For in that day every man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you for a sin.

I beseech you friend, do not reject the one who is at your door or you will spend eternity in the blistering charbroiling fires of hell.

Colossians

1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

This is an Alter Call© and Jesus is holding out his loving hands to you.