Are Catholics really idolaters?

[Romeo Rovagnati]

The answer is no, of course. Unfortunately, I've seen many of the members of the Landover Church claiming that we indeed are.

Anti-Catholics will rely constantly on this verse, which says:

(Deuteronomy 5:8-9):Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.


But, they ignore that the Word of has other verses. In fact, the said in (Ecclesiasticus 43:27-28): We may speak much, and yet come short: wherefore in sum, he is all. How shall we be able to magnify him? for he is great above all his works.

And, in (Wisdom 13:3): If they, being delighted by such sights, supposed them to be gods, let them know how great the Lord of them is in splendor. For he who created all things is the author of beauty.

Let's also not ignore the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, which clearly states in (2129-2141): 446. Does the commandment of God, “You shall not make for yourself a graven image” (Exodus 20:3), forbid the cult of images?

In the Old Testament this commandment forbade any representation of God who is absolutely transcendent. The Christian veneration of sacred images, however, is justified by the incarnation of the Son of God (as taught by the Second Council of Nicea in 787AD) because such veneration is founded on the mystery of the Son of God made man, in whom the transcendent God is made visible. This does not mean the adoration of an image, but rather the veneration of the one who is represented in it: for example, Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Angels and the Saints.


And, as a further proof let's quote the following verses, which condones iconography:
(Numbers 21:4): And they journeyed from mount Hor by the way of the Red sea, to compass the land of Edom: and the soul of the people was much discouraged because of the way. And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

(Exodus 25:10-22): And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof. And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about. And thou shalt cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in the four corners thereof; and two rings shall be in the one side of it, and two rings in the other side of it. And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold. And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them. The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it. And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee. And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

As we see, approved in the Old Testament the construction of a brass snake from Moses and two cherubins on top of the Ark of Allliance. We also have statues of bulls in Solomon's palace (1 Kings 7:23-36). What makes you think, therefore, that Saints icons are not approved by the ?

They aren't, as they are officialy condoned by himself: (John 3:14-15) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

As you can see, Catholics do not condone idolatry. I hope this was helpful so you may stop having bigoted prejudice against us.
Thank you for your attention, and always rember to follow what Jesus says.

[MitzaLizalor]

. . . In the Old Testament this commandment forbade any representation of God who is absolutely transcendent.

It forbids any representation of anything at all, with a possible exception for imaginary things such as wingle-wongles. Since they don't exist, they can't be present in Heaven or on Earth or in The Waters. This would normally be considered abstract art, specifically sculpture, an example of which follows.

[Johny Joe Hold]

As you can see, Catholics do not condone idolatry. I hope this was helpful so you may stop having bigoted prejudice against us.
Thank you for your attention, and always rember to follow what Jesus says.

Father Rovagnati, your "vow of poverty" has you living in a rectory with servants to cook, clean and tend to the property. Priests don't get their hands dirty or perspire. No work in a garden required. If you were Catholic living in a house, you would be required to worship the statue of Mary in your garden. If I recall properly, the main Catholic prayer is "Hail Mary, full of chianti."

[Basilissa]

If I recall properly, the main Catholic prayer is "Hail Mary, full of chianti."

Worshiping a drunkard. That's Catholicism in a nutshell.

[Romeo Rovagnati]

I declare this post a victory for the True Church of Jesus Christ the Savior, since no one managed to refute it.

[MitzaLizalor]

I declare this post a victory for the True Church of Jesus Christ the Savior, since no one managed to refute it.

Have you become a Mormon?

[Johny Joe Hold]

Have you become a Mormon?

Good observation, Sister Mirzza, on how close Padre Rovagnati comes to violating the trademarked name of the sinful Mormons. He comes close also to violating the True Christian^TM owned exclusively by Landover Baptist Church. It is well known that rogue group called Catholics broke away from Landover Baptist long ago because a group wanted to drink more wine. Is there enough room in hell for all the fake religions?

[Romeo Rovagnati]

Have you become a Mormon?

Of course not. There is a huge different between believing in Saints and be-lie-ving in "gods" from different planets.

[Elmer G. White]

Short answer: Yes.

In addition to Mary, they worship the Qur'an. This is explicitely stated in their "Catechism" CCC 841, as follows:

The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

Let us assess how Jesus feels about this:

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Case closed. Gates of Hell wide open to each and every Catholic idolater.

PS: They also worship pre-pubescent tallywhackers.

[MitzaLizalor]

Of course not.

That is reassuring. I gather you only pray..for deceased persons, rather than endure forced baptism on their behalf.

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There is a huge different between believing in Saints and be-lie-ving in "gods" from different planets.

Saints do exist, of course. Otherwise how could they emerge from their graves and walk around? Now if you met one of those, sure, you could ask her to do something for you: let's say it was Deborah: you might ask her to make you some toast.

Judges 4:1a 4 5b ..the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD . . . And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time . . . the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

That took place under a tree. Graveyards often have trees.

Matthew 27:50 52 53a Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost . . . And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves

They recuperated over a day or two then went into town where people could interact with them. If Deborah were one such, and you met her today, she could make you some toast. Have you read "Siddhartha" by Hermann Hesse? There's an interesting character called Kamala, on a similar path to enlightenment as yourself – although starting from the other side of the forest, as it were. She would be able to make toast too, if she were real and you met her, but no doubt others activities would present themselves. The author does not claim she became a Christian (the story is set around the time of Pythagoras) but if she closed her eyes and sat there glowing (as Indians are often depicted) she would not be obsessing over an idol, I suppose.

Psalm 149:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.

[Isabella White]

I declare this post a victory for the True Church of Jesus Christ the Savior, since no one managed to refute it.

Oh, just stop that silly nonsense, Mr. Rovagnati. The devil has you hoodwinked, and you don't even care! Satan knows the verses so well, and he has succeeded at getting you to twist things. Well, it won't work in your favor, and you should be very afraid. Don't say we did not warn you about the evils of worshipping statues, or ring-kissing. Or diddling little boys in the confessional booths. You will have to get up very early in the morning if you want to fool the servants of the — the — here at !



Now, then, what will you say when you hear these words, in regard to your defamatory statements and rejection of the commands from the , which you so obviously enjoy ignoring?

Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"

Matthew 25:46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

[MitzaLizalor]

I don't know whether self-promoting weasels get new hats from one generation to the next (the frippery in question looks pretty new) but what on earth is on that abomination's head?

Leviticus 11:29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind

[Isabella White]

I don't know whether self-promoting weasels get new hats from one generation to the next (the frippery in question looks pretty new) but what on earth is on that abomination's head?

Leviticus 11:29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind

Well, I am not entirely sure what is on the head of that statue that Cathyolicks worship, dear Sister Mitza, but upon closer examination, one wonders if it might be a teapot without the spout and handle?



I have a teapot much like that object. Surely, Cathyolicks are not now worshipping crockery, too?

[Basilissa]

Well, I am not entirely sure what is on the head of that statue that Cathyolicks worship, dear Sister Mitza, but upon closer examination, one wonders if it might be a teapot without the spout and handle?

I have a teapot much like that object. Surely, Cathyolicks are not now worshipping crockery, too?

Our Lady of the Broken Teapot? Yep, that sounds exactly like something these deluded souls would worship.

[MitzaLizalor]

Well, I am not entirely sure what is on the head of that statue that Cathyolicks worship, dear Sister Mitza, but upon closer examination, one wonders if it might be a teapot without the spout and handle?



I have a teapot much like that object. Surely, Cathyolicks are not now worshipping crockery, too?

I've never attended a "mass" and am not suggesting anyone listen to that ^↑

But there's a good likeness of the inner pope/cardinal, together with the
music, who on earth would ever go in a catholic church unless brainwashed
from birth? Listen around 9:26 ↓ for a good précis of any cardinal's sermon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIgzP4Rj0Ns&t=566s