[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

As you can see, I have addressed Heathen Bashers claim, twice now that I have "repeated myself."

It remains unchallenged.

The landovers must either answer my logic or admit their error.

You do the same thing every time. We show you over and over your blatant lies and you claim the opposite. I post photographic evidence of catlicks worshiping an idol and you say you're glad to see they aren't.

I say the sky is blue and you start praising Mary because you think it's purple.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

You do the same thing every time. We show you over and over your blatant lies and you claim the opposite. I post photographic evidence of catlicks worshiping an idol and you say you're glad to see they aren't.

I say the sky is blue and you start praising Mary because you think it's purple.

Photographs of people bowing before a statue does not constitute worship. Particularly when, as I have just pointed out and you continue to ignore, that the Catechism is clearly opposed to idol worship. And further, that it is required to have this spiritual intent in order to worship, therefore a simply bow cannot, of itself, be considered worship.

Both are new points, and remain unaddressed.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Photographs of people bowing before a statue does not constitute worship. Particularly when, as I have just pointed out and you continue to ignore, that the Catechism is clearly opposed to idol worship. And further, that it is required to have this spiritual intent in order to worship, therefore a simply bow cannot, of itself, be considered worship.

Both are new points, and remain unaddressed.

The catechism is not in the Bible. Around and round. Around and round. Around and round.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

The catechism is not in the Bible. Around and round. Around and round. Around and round.

Yes Levi, the Catechism is a separate entity from Scripture. It defines the "constitutional law" of the Catholic Church, just as the American Constitution lays out what is acceptable and not acceptable within United States, so the Catechism lays out what is acceptable and not acceptable within the Catholic Church.

Any doctrine instructing a Catholic to worship an idol would be required to be stated within the Catechism.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Any doctrine instructing a Catholic to worship an idol would be required to be stated within the Catechism.

I don't believe the the catechism because it's not in the Bible. And around and around we go.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Yes Levi, the Catechism is a separate entity from Scripture. It defines the "constitutional law" of the Catholic Church, just as the American Constitution lays out what is acceptable and not acceptable within United States, so the Catechism lays out what is acceptable and not acceptable within the Catholic Church.

Any doctrine instructing a Catholic to worship an idol would be required to be stated within the Catechism.

Well, what do you think about Muslims? Will they be saved?

[True Disciple]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Yes Levi, the Catechism is a separate entity from Scripture. It defines the "constitutional law" of the Catholic Church, just as the American Constitution lays out what is acceptable and not acceptable within United States, so the Catechism lays out what is acceptable and not acceptable within the Catholic Church.

Yes, that is the main difference between you and us. We use the Bible for that purpose, we don't add or subtract from it:

Revelation 22:18-19:
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Read Revelation to get an impression of what's coming to you.

Additionally, your comparison of your catechism with the American Constitution doesn't hold water outside Vatican City: this is because the American Constitution is the constitution of a sovereign nation, which we therefore have to follow if we live in America:

1 Peter 2:13-14:
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

However, your catechism doesn't hold such power, and it only applies to followers of the catholic church, and it has no formal legal status in most countries. It therefore is not a secular ordinance, but a religious one, like the Bible is.

So, seeing that you add your own rules to those that are in the Bible, changing them with every Vatican Council to incorporate blasphemies like evolution and such, I think you impossibly can be called a Christian.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

I don't believe the the catechism because it's not in the Bible. And around and around we go.

Levi, of course you don't believe in Catechism, but this is irrelevant. You're not Catholic.

A Catholic would have to believe everything in the Catechism to be Catholic, however. And likewise, the Catechism would be required to state everything that a Catholic believes in.

Seeing as the Catechism does not state the Mary or the Saint are to be worshiped, then the Catholic does not believe such things. And as the Catholic does not believe he is worshiping Mary or the Saints, it is impossible for them to do so.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Well, what do you think about Muslims? Will they be saved?

Not if they adhere to Islam.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

A Catholic would have to believe everything in the Catechism to be Catholic, however.
Seeing as the Catechism does not state the Mary or the Saint are to be worshiped, then the Catholic does not believe such things. And as the Catholic does not believe he is worshiping Mary or the Saints, it is impossible for them to do so.

Yet your followers do it anyway, despite what your catlickism says. This is due to the fact that your most devout followers are thinly veneered pagans.

Are you having deja vu? I feel like we have been doing this for the better part of a year now with no progress.

I do give you one of these for your tenacity.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Yes, that is the main difference between you and us. We use the Bible for that purpose, we don't add or subtract from it:

Revelation 22:18-19:
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Tell me, does "this book" refer to [A] the entire Bible, or [B] the book of Revelation?

If you answered A, then you are incorrect, for the Word of God cannot be changing in nature, just as God cannot be changing in nature. When John first wrote the Book of Revelation, it was separate from the rest of Scripture, and therefore the phrase "this book" could only refer to the contents of Revelation. To say that the meaning changed upon adding the rest of Scripture changes the meaning of the passage. Furthermore, if we were say this applied to the early forms of the Bible, then the Reformation would be damned for removing the deuterocanon. And even more, if we are to take the phrase "this book" to have this "power" to extend to all pages found within the same book, then I could add the book of Revelation to the appendix of any book and the same rule would apply, following this shallow logic.

Additionally, your comparison of your catechism with the American Constitution doesn't hold water outside Vatican City: this is because the American Constitution is the constitution of a sovereign nation, which we therefore have to follow if we live in America:

1 Peter 2:13-14:
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

You will find the duties of the American citizen and the Universal Christian to be in perfect accord.

[Sacred Heart]

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Yet your followers do it anyway, despite what your catlickism says. This is due to the fact that your most devout followers are thinly veneered pagans.

Are you having deja vu? I feel like we have been doing this for the better part of a year now with no progress.

I do give you one of these for your tenacity.

I beseech you Levi, as I have proven that no simple bow can be constituted as worship, that you please show me a quotation from a devout Catholic, any Saint or pope will suffice, that shows that they worship Mary or any of the Saints.

You will find the worship of the One God to be so base within Catholic Theology, that no devout Catholic does such a thing.

And further, even should the masses of Catholics everywhere worship the Saints, the fact now stands, as you have concurred, that the Catholic Church does not teach anything but to worship the One God. And therefore, the Church is without this sin, even should its members posses it. And we can now progress, as I do not seek to convince you that every Catholic is perfect, but that the teachings of the Church in accord with Scripture.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

then the Reformation would be damned for removing the deuterocanon.

The entire apocrypha was included in all non catlick Bibles until the 1880's.

At what point did you catlicks only go down to the deuterocanon? The entire apocrypha was included in the Latin Vulgate despite the protests of Gerome. Iraneus made him keep it in there.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

I beseech you Levi, as I have proven that no simple bow can be constituted as worship, that you please show me a quotation from a devout Catholic, any Saint or pope will suffice, that shows that they worship Mary or any of the Saints.

You will find the worship of the One God to be so base within Catholic Theology, that no devout Catholic does such a thing.

And further, even should the masses of Catholics everywhere worship the Saints, the fact now stands, as you have concurred, that the Catholic Church does not teach anything but to worship the One God. And therefore, the Church is without this sin, even should its members posses it. And we can now progress, as I do not seek to convince you that every Catholic is perfect, but that the teachings of the Church in accord with Scripture.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Not if they adhere to Islam.

Well then, you sir, by your own definition, are a HERETIC, teaching against the Catechism!

Article 841 of the Catechism - The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

The bible teaches that you must believe in Jesus and obey the Gospel for salvation, and that it's by the grace of God, not Mary or Rome, that we are saved.

But, the Roman Catholic leaders today are even saying that you don’t really need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved!



Muslims say you don’t need to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved! Muslims will admit that Jesus Christ was a true prophet, but deny that He was the Messiah (although some Western Muslims will say He was anointed), they will deny that He was God manifested in the flesh as of the Son of God (John 1:14), and they will deny that He died on the cross and rose again. That belief cannot be truth because Jesus Christ himself said He was the Messiah! John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. That would make Him a false prophet according to the Muslim beliefs! And, Jesus Christ himself said we have to believe in Him! John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. We absolutely must believe that Jesus Christ was manifest in the flesh, was crucified for our sins and rose again. This is the gospel! Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. There is no salvation in any other name but Jesus! Not Mohammed, not Buddha; no other name...


Does the Catholic leadership read the same bible I do??? Sure doesn't look like it! No wonder God is angry with her...