[tomdstone]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

The issue that I presented to you is that-- according to the Bible-- the entire human race is confronted with the choice to obey God or rebel against Him. Are you implying that you plan to negotiate with God? That's not how His system of justice works.

The Holy Bible says Blessed are the peacemakers. That is what I believe in - peace and making peace. Matthew 5:9May the peace of the Lord be with you and yours.

[tomdstone]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

So was the Catholic Spanish colonization of the New World. What's your point? (Given that Bible is full of examples of God-approved genocides).



That would have definitively worked with Hitler, especially if the diplomacy included handing him over all of Europe.

I am opposed to murder of American Indians. I also believe that the annexation of Mexican territories by the Americans in 1848 was unjust and wrong. It was wrong for Americans to murder 6000 Mexicans who were only defending their country and then to steal all that territory from Mexico. Stealing is wrong according to my reading of the Bible. I am for peace and for avoiding war by diplomacy. I think that it is better to be a peacemaker than a war-maker. I don't understand why Americans like to be in so many wars, killing so many innocent people. Have you ever heard of the My Lai massacre where hundreds of innocent women and children were gunned down in cold blood by American soldiers? And they tried to cover it up and deny the whole thing ever happened?
The Bible that I have says Blessed are the peacemakers. That is what I think is right. It is better to have peace and avoid war.

[Basilissa]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

I am opposed to murder of American Indians. I also believe that the annexation of Mexican territories by the Americans in 1848 was unjust and wrong. It was wrong for Americans to murder 6000 Mexicans who were only defending their country and then to steal all that territory from Mexico. Stealing is wrong according to my reading of the Bible. I am for peace and for avoiding war by diplomacy. I think that it is better to be a peacemaker than a war-maker. I don't understand why Americans like to be in so many wars, killing so many innocent people. Have you ever heard of the My Lai massacre where hundreds of innocent women and children were gunned down in cold blood by American soldiers? And they tried to cover it up and deny the whole thing ever happened?
The Bible that I have says Blessed are the peacemakers. That is what I think is right. It is better to have peace and avoid war.

Why are you against your own church on this - don't you know that the Catholic Church has started or at least incited more wars in Europe than any other religion?

[handmaiden]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

I am opposed to murder of American Indians. I also believe that the annexation of Mexican territories by the Americans in 1848 was unjust and wrong. It was wrong for Americans to murder 6000 Mexicans who were only defending their country and then to steal all that territory from Mexico. Stealing is wrong according to my reading of the Bible. I am for peace and for avoiding war by diplomacy. I think that it is better to be a peacemaker than a war-maker. I don't understand why Americans like to be in so many wars, killing so many innocent people. Have you ever heard of the My Lai massacre where hundreds of innocent women and children were gunned down in cold blood by American soldiers? And they tried to cover it up and deny the whole thing ever happened?
The Bible that I have says Blessed are the peacemakers. That is what I think is right. It is better to have peace and avoid war.

At this point, I think that I have figured out what is going on in your head. If you had been crucified back then instead of Jesus, the subsequent history of the church going forward would not have included any wars, murders or genocides; because you are just that wise and right-thinking. If we all go along with your intepretation of who God is and what God wants, it will be heaven on earth, right?


So what are your thoughts on all the wars and genocides that God commanded before He graciously--but mistakenly--sent His Son to die on the cross instead of you?

[tomdstone]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

At this point, I think that I have figured out what is going on in your head. If you had been crucified back then instead of Jesus, the subsequent history of the church going forward would not have included any wars, murders or genocides; because you are just that wise and right-thinking. If we all go along with your intepretation of who God is and what God wants, it will be heaven on earth, right?


So what are your thoughts on all the wars and genocides that God commanded before He graciously--but mistakenly--sent His Son to die on the cross instead of you?

My thoughts are this:
Matthew 5:9

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

My thoughts are this:
Matthew 5:9

Dear Friend,

That is a magnificent verse and something to cherish during those times of our lives when the orders of God or Jesus do not overrule it. You are swell aware that the Bible contains also other kinds of advice from Jesus.

Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

This may seem contradictory to an uneducated mind, but if we look at some more prophecies, everything becomes crystal clear!

Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

This may take place during the next 48 hours! What should we do?

Joel 3:10
Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

Who will also wild a sword and smite billions of sinners? Jesus! The sword He promised will make its appearance!

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Jesus will not be a mild, cotton candy leader. He is going to lead with an iron rod! There is going to be a War like no War before. Jesus will lead the troops Himself!

Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

So, you can see, there is the time for peace and gentle persuasion of sinners to join Jesus. War can be righteous! When the gentle persuasion fails for the majority of the Earth's population, Jesus will eventually go into war against that majority and demolish them, and even the events during Noah's Flood will dwindle into insignificance compared with the massacre on unbelievers and false believers that Jesus will administer. There is time for everything, or did God lie when He wrote the following astonishingly poetic and beautiful verses?

Ecclesiastes 3:8
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[tomdstone]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

War can be righteous! ....There is time for everything, or did God lie when He wrote the following astonishingly poetic and beautiful verses?

Ecclesiastes 3:8
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

That might have been true in the past, but with today's horrific weapons, innocent people are bound to suffer and die in any war. I can't go along with dropping nuclear bombs on innocent people. Should a Christian agree to nuclear war and the murder of millions of women and children because some politician thinks that this latest American war is a righteous one?
Is it OK for Americans to massacre hundreds of civilian women and children, shooting them on the spot and then attempt to cover it up as was done in the case of the My Lai massacre? Politicians said that the Vietnam war was a righteous cause.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

My thoughts are this:
Matthew 5:9

Yeah, but you have to remember that this is Jesus we're talking about. "Peacemaking" can be achieved by destroying your enemy completely, and many of His ancestors did just that.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

That might have been true in the past, but with today's horrific weapons, innocent people are bound to suffer and die in any war. I can't go along with dropping nuclear bombs on innocent people. Should a Christian agree to nuclear war and the murder of millions of women and children because some politician thinks that this latest American war is a righteous one?
Is it OK for Americans to massacre hundreds of civilian women and children, shooting them on the spot and then attempt to cover it up as was done in the case of the My Lai massacre? Politicians said that the Vietnam war was a righteous cause.

Dear sinner,

The content of an act does not determine its Spiritual Goodness. If a nuclear strike is commanded by an unbeliever, it is by definition bad, similar to any unbeliever actions, such as rescuing people from a burning house or distributing leaflets on evolution. This is hard to understand and we would not be able to comprehend it if we didn't have the Bible.



Psalms 14:1
(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

The verse above tells us that an unbeliever only does evil things. Thus, the religious character of the person determines the quality of her deeds. That is what we should judge, not the actions. Jesus will consider them in due course (Revelation 20:15), but based on His commandments (John 3:18), we can presume with high probability that He will be mostly concerned with the acts of Faith™.

The weapons of mankind are horrific. We all agree on that. Still, they are peanuts compared to the havoc that Jesus will unleash upon the sinners! As a warning He is first going to destroy only one third of the biosphere and its inhabitants (at least 2-3 billion deaths with a single blow).

Revelation 8:9
And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Revelation 9:17-18
And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

As this will not be enough to convince the sinners, Jesus will destroy the rest of the biosphere and burn people alive.

Revelation 16:3
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Revelation 16:9
And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Vietnam becomes insignificant. Hiroshima becomes a playground. Rwanda will no longer matter. They will become mere skirmishes conducted by amateurs compared with the handiwork of Jesus Christ. You surely agree that His War will be righteous, don't you?


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[tomdstone]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

"Peacemaking" can be achieved by destroying your enemy completely, ...

This is the mentality of many Americans - they will wage war and murder people to bring about peace. IMHO, it is better to use diplomacy and third party negotiations to bring about peace. How many more years will Americans remain in Afghanistan? How many more people will be killed as a result of this occupation?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

...How many more years will Americans remain in Afghanistan?...

How many more years are you going to miss every uckfing point anyone (including Jesus in the Bible) is making? A lot of people are really curious.

[tomdstone]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

How many more years are you going to miss every uckfing point anyone (including Jesus in the Bible) is making? A lot of people are really curious.

The point is very clear. That war is bad and peace is good. It is better to be a peacemaker. You, together with many American politicians who are in the pocket of the military industrial complex, have claimed that peace can be achieved by war. My claim is that this is false and flies in the face of what everyone knows.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

The point is very clear. That war is bad...

Old Testament says, "Yo! Over here! Remember me? I gots your wars, lots of 'em, all God Approved®, too!"

...and peace is good...

But better for the winning side.

...You, together with many American politicians who are in the pocket of the military industrial complex, have claimed that peace can be achieved by war...

And thousands of years of human history, but nvm facts when they don't agree. World War 2? FALSE NEWS!!! Chamberlain won that!!! Bigly!!!

...My claim is that this is false and flies in the face of what everyone knows.

omg you're Alex Jones, right?

[tomdstone]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

omg you're Alex Jones, right?

Why do you suppose that Alex Jones is so popular?I'll tell you why. It is because the mainstream media is not telling us the truth about various things, such as for example, the horror of war. The shooting of many, many innocent children dead in cold blood such as was done in the My Lai massacre.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Anne Frank vs. Adolf Hitler: Who was the worse person?

...The shooting of many, many innocent children dead in cold blood such as was done in the My Lai massacre.

Thank goodness for Alex!! If he hadn't been there, people might need to rely on, I don't know, maybe the newspapers and TV reporters and radio people that reported on that story when it broke like 50 years ago! We'd never know the truth.