[Redeemed Papist]

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sat·ire
noun /ˈsaˌtīr/ 
satires, plural

The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues

It is marvellous how God's word shines through as truth even though mockers try to mock. You can't corrupt the pure word of God.

[o'really]

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Just because it's funny doesn't mean that it isn't true.

sat·ire
noun /ˈsaˌtīr/ 
satires, plural

The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues

[Nobar King]

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Just because it's funny doesn't mean that it isn't true.

[o'really]

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I just want to point out, since it's been pointed out MANY times in this thread but you people don't seem to understand..

This video is a SATIRE. Visit the youtube page for confirmation from the author. He is making fun of you and your faith. I've attached a picture, just in case you people are still too stupid to realize this.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Without Jesus guiding his hand, no surgeon can save lives. I've seen Jesus in countless operating rooms.

[jessev]

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Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you slightly with the statement that a Doctor is only as good as his/her faith in Jesus. That may be important for a spiritual healer, but if you take a doctor who has learned how to perform surgeries is going to do better in surgery than one who does not have that knowledge and experience, regardless of belief in Christ or not.

Medical science is a different kind of healing than spiritual healing. It's a human intervention to try and save someone's life. I suppose the next question comes is this: Is it then wrong for a doctor who does not have a (strong) belief in God to try and save someone's life? Or would you rather that no doctor exist and only leaving life and death in God's hands?

I do wonder these things, because God gave us the capability to do all that we do and would it be that difficult for God to prevent that knowledge from coming to be? I realize that many argue about God's intervention of people's lives and that He does not want to take our free will from us. But God seems to intervene in many things as I often hear God being thanked and attributed to having done something for them or to them. So I don't see the intervention problem as a good method of dispute.

Again, I sincerely appreciate the words you all share. I may not agree with all of them, but I continue on my quest for further understanding.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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To Mary: Praying is not a bad thing, certainly.

Certainly NOT!

But a doctor certainly isn't a bad person because he or she wants to help other people.

A doctor is only so good as his commitment to Christ is.

Doctors do a great job in helping people survive. They are largely the reason why many of us live to an old age and help us when we need medical attention.

Who do you think inspires True Christian™ doctors with the information they need to heal?

Praying for someone's health is good, but it's never a guarantee that someone will live or get better because of a prayer. Many people die for apparently no reason at all. Some who have led good lives. Though I already know that someone will make the claim that they must not have be 'True Christians' or else God would have listened.

Dear, God calls people Home for His own Good Reason.

[jessev]

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I suppose there is a point there. You can either choose to believe that the Bible is absolutely and completely correct or you don't.

But people generally want to know and understand things. And though the Bible says many great things within it, there are many things that simply can't be answered. That is what science is about. Trying to understand the world around us. But science does not dictate what we choose to believe in.

But understand that that is where a lot of my skepticism lies. Questions force you to seek answers and unfortunately there are just still questions that the Bible have not been able to provide for me.

I continue to learn and seek out knowledge and further understand the Bible as well as other religious texts and try to understand them better as well. Though I respect your choice of belief, I have difficulty in believing that only one of the thousands of religions out there, that only one is correct and all others are wrong. If that is true, then Heaven would end up being a rather lonely place as few people would ever make it there.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I do have a small question though. I've heard many times that the KJV bible is the 'correct' version, but how do you know things were translated correctly when put into the English language from its native Hebrew and Greek? From things I have read there are many things in the Hebrew and Greek languages originally that have multiple meanings.

Do you think that our all-knowing, all-powerful God could not ensure that His Word was translated correctly from one language to another?

How can you be a Christian and think the Bible is anything BUT what God wants us to read?

[jessev]

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To Mary: Praying is not a bad thing, certainly. But a doctor certainly isn't a bad person because he or she wants to help other people. Doctors do a great job in helping people survive. They are largely the reason why many of us live to an old age and help us when we need medical attention. Praying for someone's health is good, but it's never a guarantee that someone will live or get better because of a prayer. Many people die for apparently no reason at all. Some who have led good lives. Though I already know that someone will make the claim that they must not have be 'True Christians' or else God would have listened.

Much of this may go on deaf ears, but doctor's are great healers as well. But they are only able to do things within their means and capabilities. And having an understanding of how a particular disease or virus works has helped things like the Bubonic plague and many other illnesses from returning and becoming a problem like various diseases and illnesses tend to be in less-developed regions in the world. Jesus and god may heal. I can't really say yes or no as its not something that can just easily be proven. However, As Jesus healed, people can heal as well. Just by a different means.

To Billy: Perhaps to one extent or the other it does tend to contradict what the Bible appears to speak of. Partially because of the words that were chosen to describe various aspects of the world.

I do have a small question though. I've heard many times that the KJV bible is the 'correct' version, but how do you know things were translated correctly when put into the English language from its native Hebrew and Greek? From things I have read there are many things in the Hebrew and Greek languages originally that have multiple meanings.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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The point of science is trying to gain a further understanding of the world and universe around us through a means of experimentation and evidence. Of course, science has a few slightly different definitions depending on the application it's being used in.

(from the World English Dictionary)
1. the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms
2. the knowledge so obtained or the practice of obtaining it
3. any particular branch of this knowledge: the pure and applied sciences
4. any body of knowledge organized in a systematic manner
5. skill or technique
6. archaic knowledge

So science does not generally seek to find out spiritual matters. Though there have been attempts at exploring things like the soul and such. But there has been no capable test method in finding these things out. It would be interesting if there were though.

So-called science and logic are constantly being employed by antiChrists as tools to disprove the Bible. What about Darwinian theory, the heliocentric model, carbon dating, the space shuttle, and geometry? All of these have been used to disprove some scripture. So when you advocate science, you are also advocating atheism.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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The point of science is trying to gain a further understanding of the world and universe around us through a means of experimentation and evidence.

One can do that outside the lab. For example, two weeks go one of my children developed a terrible croup cough from a chest cold. My neighbor begged me to take him to the hospital as she could hear the cough from the street when she put her garbage out late at night. I know from Holy Scripture that I need no doctor:

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord
James 5:14

I didn't want to disturb the good pastors at such a late hour, so I experimented with the evidence I already had at my disposal, God's own Perfect Word. Thusly inspired, I meditated on the Word of God, especially this part:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
John 14:12

Because Jesus healed the sick, I knew that my child would be healed as well. In fact, I didn't even worry when his little lips started turning blue. One of my older teen children grabbed the babe from my arms and rushed him to the bathroom where he turned on the hot water and allowed the steam to clear his little throat. You see! God is so faithful! We can understand the world around us because all we need is contained in the Holy Scriptures!

[jessev]

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The point of science is trying to gain a further understanding of the world and universe around us through a means of experimentation and evidence. Of course, science has a few slightly different definitions depending on the application it's being used in.

(from the World English Dictionary)
1. the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms
2. the knowledge so obtained or the practice of obtaining it
3. any particular branch of this knowledge: the pure and applied sciences
4. any body of knowledge organized in a systematic manner
5. skill or technique
6. archaic knowledge

So science does not generally seek to find out spiritual matters. Though there have been attempts at exploring things like the soul and such. But there has been no capable test method in finding these things out. It would be interesting if there were though.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Creation by a creator is mostly based in belief, which cannot be tested nor proven through science.

If beliefs cannot be tested or proven through science, then what is the point of science? Is it a storytelling game, like D&D?

[jessev]

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I'm not honestly a Jesus hater. Though I will probably not change your mind otherwise. I'm not trying to 'force' science on anyone. I'm simply trying to answer replies I've received that are giving characteristics of science that are simply untrue. And the first amendment doesn't give you a right to a 'Christian environment'. It does however make it clear for there to be no established religion by the government and for you to be able to practice your religion freely. You are quite free to have your belief just as I am free to have my own as well, though I know you disagree with it if is anything but the literal words of the Bible. Even though it was not originally written in English. So, you're still going off of a translation of previous versions of the Bible anyways.

"Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The issue with Creation Science is that it is not a science. Creation by a creator is mostly based in belief, which cannot be tested nor proven through science. If there is direct evidence to lend the idea support that does not require simple belief, I have yet to see it. It you would be willing to provide such, I will certainly take a look. I am not saying that Creation cannot be true, but that it is simply not science