[Owain Hughes]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

The internet itself as an idea, is possible without Einstein, as the 'laws' of physics and Relativity already exist! Science doesnt make the rules,(lets get that straight) this is NEVER said in science, it mearly observes the 'laws' and learns about them, to then further our endless human thirst for knowledge and understanding, which i believe is a gift from God himself ! But i digress, the 'laws' of Gravity and Relativity help keep in flight the satellites that orbit our planet as we speak and also keeps us in touch with where they are using GPS technology. This in turn, provides us with the internet, GPS, and MANY MANY other uses

[Dr Laurence Niles]

'Cogito Ergo Sum' .

How could I have missed that? All hidden away there in my salute to Jesus

But as a remarked earlier im sure that your 'home schooled' knowledge of philosophy, laws of nature, quantum mechanics, M Theory, spacetime, and other matters are FAR above the knowledge one could possess going through the regular channels of education.

You do know that the only true knowledge comes from the Bible (KJV1611), don't you?

Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding

Anyone with a brane would know this, your meaning is of indeterminable meaning. I don't know what a 'quantum' is but it makes you sound as thick as a planck.
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[Redeemed Papist]

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Einstein believed in GOD! he was Jewish just like Jesus?

Without the Theory of Relativity Einstein discovered, we would not be having this conversation, as the INTERNET WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE!!!

He was a religious man his whole life! and saw NO SIN, in discovering the wonders of a universe GOD CREATED!

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
-- Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)

For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.
-- Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)

Make everything as simple as possible but not simpler.
-- Albert Einstein (attributed: source unknown)

[O]nly if every individual strives for truth can humanity attain a happier future; the atavisms in each of us that stand in the way of a friendlier destiny can only thus be rendered ineffective.
-- Albert Einstein, Foreward to Homer W Smith, Man and His Gods

Strange is our situation here on Earth. Each of us comes for a short visit, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to divine a purpose. From the standpoint of daily life, however, there is one thing we do know: that man is here for the sake of other men -- above all for those upon whose smiles and well-being our own happiness depends.
-- Albert Einstein, quoted from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief, p. 241

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
-- Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted from James A Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

Yeah, Einstein totally was religious.

He was an enemy of God who is burning in Hell.

[Didymus Much]

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...Without the Theory of Relativity Einstein discovered, we would not be having this conversation, as the INTERNET WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE!!!...

I'm going to ignore the waffling about Jesus being a Joo ( ), but can you prove to me why the Interwebs would not be possible without Einstein?

Preferably with Scripture.

Ditto (Scripture optional here).

[Wide-Open]

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Without the Theory of Relativity Einstein discovered, we would not be having this conversation, as the INTERNET WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE!!!

I'm going to ignore the waffling about Jesus being a Joo ( ), but can you prove to me why the Interwebs would not be possible without Einstein?

Preferably with Scripture.

[Owain Hughes]

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Einstein believed in GOD! he was Jewish just like Jesus?

Jesus was Jewish. He was born a Jew, lived a Jewish life, taught and read in the synagogue, and was called 'rabbi' by some of his followers. The word 'Christian' refers to the followers of 'the Christ' - the Messiah, the anointed one. Jesus, in this context could not have been a 'Christian' by definition. However, Jesus was no ordinary Jew. Christians believe that he was sent by God as God in human form (hence the other name that Jesus used 'Emman\uel' which means 'God with us'). God the Father had revealed himself to the Jews over thousands of years in the stories in the Old Testament (or the 'Old Covenant'/Old Agreement') but the Jews continued to rebel against God to such an extent that even when the prophets foretold the messiah coming the Jews still ignored them.

Without the Theory of Relativity Einstein discovered, we would not be having this conversation, as the INTERNET WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE!!!

He was a religious man his whole life! and saw NO SIN, in discovering the wonders of a universe GOD CREATED!

[Redeemed Papist]

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@Larni69,

It is completely fine to be baffled, the concepts held within these paragraphs go so deep into the realm of consciousness, belief, reality, God, and so much more than upon first glance or read of such texts, inevitably lead to confusion! But with time and knowledge of ones self, mind and of the perceptions of reality, we are lead (at least in the Descartes notion of 'methodological scepticism') to one conclusion;

'Cogito Ergo Sum'

People with powerful 'minds' such as Descartes, Einstein, and so many more, were drawn to the question of God, not only dew to there unshakable faith in him! but to try to understand some of the laws and unfathomable complexity of such things as the human mind! unlike the likes of Friedrich Nietzsche who was raised heavily soaked in religious indoctrination, but later in life was lead down the root of 'existentialism' which although a fascinating, ultimately leads you to a dark place, in which God himself is questioned.

But as a remarked earlier im sure that your 'home schooled' knowledge of philosophy, laws of nature, quantum mechanics, M Theory, spacetime, and other matters are FAR above the knowledge one could possess going through the regular channels of education.

Einstein was an atheist Joo.

[Owain Hughes]

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@Larni69,

It is completely fine to be baffled, the concepts held within these paragraphs go so deep into the realm of consciousness, belief, reality, God, and so much more than upon first glance or read of such texts, inevitably lead to confusion! But with time and knowledge of ones self, mind and of the perceptions of reality, we are lead (at least in the Descartes notion of 'methodological scepticism') to one conclusion;

'Cogito Ergo Sum'

People with powerful 'minds' such as Descartes, Einstein, and so many more, were drawn to the question of God, not only dew to there unshakable faith in him! but to try to understand some of the laws and unfathomable complexity of such things as the human mind! unlike the likes of Friedrich Nietzsche who was raised heavily soaked in religious indoctrination, but later in life was lead down the root of 'existentialism' which although a fascinating, ultimately leads you to a dark place, in which God himself is questioned.

But as a remarked earlier im sure that your 'home schooled' knowledge of philosophy, laws of nature, quantum mechanics, M Theory, spacetime, and other matters are FAR above the knowledge one could possess going through the regular channels of education.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Larni69 ,

I then considered attentively what i was; and i was that while i could feign that i had no body, that there was no world, and that no place existed for me to be in, i could not fiegn that i was not; on the contrary, from the mere fact that i thought of doubting about other truths it evidentally and certainly followed that i existed. on the other hand, if i had mearly ceased to be conscious, even if everything else that i had ever imagined had been true, i had no reason to belive that i should still have existed. From this i recognized that i was a substance whose whole essence or nature is to be conscious and whose being requires no place and depends on no material thing.

Thus this self, that is to say the soul, by which i am what i am, is entirely distinct from the body, and is even more easily known; and even if the body were not there at all, the soul would be just what it is. After this i considered in general what is requisite to the truth and certainty of a proposition; for since i had just found one that i knew to have this nature, i thought i must also know what this certainty consists in. Observing that there is nothing at all in the statement 'i am thinking, therefore i exist' which assures me i speak the truth, except that i see very clearly that in order to think i must exist, i judged that i could take it as a general rule that whatever we conceive very clearly and very distinctly is true; only there is some difficulty in discerning what conceptions really are distinct. Next, i reflected on the fact that i was doubting, and that consequently my being was not wholly perfect (for i saw clearly that knowledge was a greater perfection than doubt).

I decided to enquire whence i learnt to think of something more perfect than myself, and i recognized it as evident that this idea must come from some nature that was really more perfect. As regard my ideas of many other external things-the sky, the earth, light, heat, and innumerable other subjects- i was not so much concerned to know there source; for i discovered nothing in them that appeared to make them higher than myself.

if they were true, they might depend on my own nature, in so far as it had some degree of perfection; if not, i might have got them from nothingness- they might be in me because i had some defect. But this could not hold good for the idea of an exsistance more perfect than my own; it was manifestly impossible to have got this from nothingness; and since it is no less contradictory that the more perfect should follow from and depend on the less perfect, then that something should proceed from nothing, like wise i could not have got it from myself.

so the only possibility left was to hold that the idea had been put in me by a nature really more perfect than myself and infact possessing all the perfections of which i could have any idea; that is to say, to explain myself in one word, by god. And to this i added that since i knew of some perfections that i did not posses, i was not the only being in exsistance, but that there must needs be some other more perfect being on whom i depended, and from whom i had received all that i had.

this was the original text you commented on, it is the writing of none other than 'Rene Descartes' i'm sure you've heard of him, being home schooled and all!

and this is a link to the thread about who not to trust, but it is largely irrelevant now as a fellow member of this forum has kindly given a balanced argument for what was was said.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=4474

the first post here entitled 'A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy'

Ok. Still baffled.

I worship Jesus: therefor I am Saved.
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[Owain Hughes]

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Larni69 ,

I then considered attentively what i was; and i was that while i could feign that i had no body, that there was no world, and that no place existed for me to be in, i could not fiegn that i was not; on the contrary, from the mere fact that i thought of doubting about other truths it evidentally and certainly followed that i existed. on the other hand, if i had mearly ceased to be conscious, even if everything else that i had ever imagined had been true, i had no reason to belive that i should still have existed. From this i recognized that i was a substance whose whole essence or nature is to be conscious and whose being requires no place and depends on no material thing.

Thus this self, that is to say the soul, by which i am what i am, is entirely distinct from the body, and is even more easily known; and even if the body were not there at all, the soul would be just what it is. After this i considered in general what is requisite to the truth and certainty of a proposition; for since i had just found one that i knew to have this nature, i thought i must also know what this certainty consists in. Observing that there is nothing at all in the statement 'i am thinking, therefore i exist' which assures me i speak the truth, except that i see very clearly that in order to think i must exist, i judged that i could take it as a general rule that whatever we conceive very clearly and very distinctly is true; only there is some difficulty in discerning what conceptions really are distinct. Next, i reflected on the fact that i was doubting, and that consequently my being was not wholly perfect (for i saw clearly that knowledge was a greater perfection than doubt).

I decided to enquire whence i learnt to think of something more perfect than myself, and i recognized it as evident that this idea must come from some nature that was really more perfect. As regard my ideas of many other external things-the sky, the earth, light, heat, and innumerable other subjects- i was not so much concerned to know there source; for i discovered nothing in them that appeared to make them higher than myself.

if they were true, they might depend on my own nature, in so far as it had some degree of perfection; if not, i might have got them from nothingness- they might be in me because i had some defect. But this could not hold good for the idea of an exsistance more perfect than my own; it was manifestly impossible to have got this from nothingness; and since it is no less contradictory that the more perfect should follow from and depend on the less perfect, then that something should proceed from nothing, like wise i could not have got it from myself.

so the only possibility left was to hold that the idea had been put in me by a nature really more perfect than myself and infact possessing all the perfections of which i could have any idea; that is to say, to explain myself in one word, by god. And to this i added that since i knew of some perfections that i did not posses, i was not the only being in exsistance, but that there must needs be some other more perfect being on whom i depended, and from whom i had received all that i had.

this was the original text you commented on, it is the writing of none other than 'Rene Descartes' i'm sure you've heard of him, being home schooled and all!

and this is a link to the thread about who not to trust, but it is largely irrelevant now as a fellow member of this forum has kindly given a balanced argument for what was was said.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=4474

the first post here entitled 'A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy'

[Owain Hughes]

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@Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.

Thank you for posting back to me with some incite full views and opinions on what i wrote. i appreciate it! I can more than understand why you would like me to use capitals when typing 'God' and shall do so from now on. my apologies for that. I'm British and that's the way to spell colour when using the English language, which I believe we are currently doing! but that's really a null point as its just a tolerable difference between us I can deal with .

I see where you are coming from as regards to the post about numbers, but it has been put to me by true believers that within the creation story, a 'day' may not be what 'we' would term to be so, and could infact of been a 'day' to 'God' which could have been 10 million years? im not sure what your opinion on that is?

again i appreciate your comments and thank you for seeing my heart is in the right place, I do not wish to say anything 'bad' about God in the slightest but just like to raise certain points to clarify my faith and hopefully guide me to enlightenment.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

@Larni69

why is your only reply to that text, you weren't home schooled? truly read what is in the words, reflect upon it, and please come back with a more insightful retort. I apologies for it coming out without paragraphs, this wasn't copy and pasted but typed out from a book. it was originally typed correctly but came out differently in the post, again i apologies for this. I am not fully religious, but am very open minded to the possibility, and have a lot of true christian in my life, some of which actually work for the church itself. I am on this website to see all areas of christian views to see if it the life i want. but with some of the closed minded attitudes on here im not sure it is!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=4474

held within this post are some of the most RIDICULOUS things ive EVER seen! don't trust 'users of big numbers' ? WHY?!!?? as soon as you create a number system, which within its very nature should be infinite! a light year, is simply the distance light travels in a year? what is so 'satanic' about that? is light and its behavior now some how 'satanic'? science doesn't make the 'laws' it mearly observes and studies them!

“I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John 8:12.

I am NOT an atheist! and if you reply to this message simply with hatred or with 'hes not home schooled' rather than a thought out , logical and christian reply i will be disappointed.

We were all created by GOD , we are ALL gods children, celebrate the enormous variety of life god created, ALL creeds, colours and believes! never forget that god made it all!

What are you talking about? I have no idea which 'text' you are referring to and you link takes me to another fora entirely.

Do you expect me to to search through two threads to find the post you're referring to?

Praise His name!
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[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

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http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=4474

held within this post are some of the most RIDICULOUS things ive EVER seen! don't trust 'users of big numbers' ? WHY?!!?? as soon as you create a number system, which within its very nature should be infinite! a light year, is simply the distance light travels in a year? what is so 'satanic' about that? is light and its behavior now some how 'satanic'? science doesn't make the 'laws' it mearly observes and studies them!

See this is where you start to get on the slippery road to Satan's Lair, my friend. Certainly no one is claiming that numbers themselves are Satanic. Numbers are only a tool (similar to guns, in fact). When I say I love Jesus 10 billion, trillion times more than anything else in this world, that isn't Satanic! However, to say that "the sun is 10 billion years old" is propagating the idea that Jesus didn't create the earth 6,000 years ago. That is heretical, and of course Satanic. It's really all about the purpose of the numbers. I believe what the Original Poster was claiming was that people who trot out absurd numbers like "trees evolved over 10 million years" are people who shouldn't be trusted, as they simply take a reasonable argument and make it absurd by claiming numbers that are clearly untrue.

“I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John 8:12.

I am NOT an atheist! and if you reply to this message simply with hatred or with 'hes not home schooled' rather than a thought out , logical and christian reply i will be disappointed.

We were all created by GOD , we are ALL gods children, celebrate the enormous variety of life god created, ALL creeds, colours and believes! never forget that god made it all!

While I think that your heart may be in the right place, I notice that you have some serious deficiencies regarding your spelling and grammar. Usually, True Christians(tm) make an attempt to capitalize our Lord's Name: God's Children. We also don't put in extraneous "u"s in "color". And above all, we don't tolerate "all creeds" or whatever "believes" are -- even more than the number problem, tolerating all belief systems is super Satanic!!

I will pray for you my friend. You were clearly brought here for a reason, and I hope God is working through us to get you back on the straight and narrow

[Redeemed Papist]

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Why do you think God was lying?
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[Owain Hughes]

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@Larni69

why is your only reply to that text, you weren't home schooled? truly read what is in the words, reflect upon it, and please come back with a more insightful retort. I apologies for it coming out without paragraphs, this wasn't copy and pasted but typed out from a book. it was originally typed correctly but came out differently in the post, again i apologies for this. I am not fully religious, but am very open minded to the possibility, and have a lot of true christian in my life, some of which actually work for the church itself. I am on this website to see all areas of christian views to see if it the life i want. but with some of the closed minded attitudes on here im not sure it is!

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=4474

held within this post are some of the most RIDICULOUS things ive EVER seen! don't trust 'users of big numbers' ? WHY?!!?? as soon as you create a number system, which within its very nature should be infinite! a light year, is simply the distance light travels in a year? what is so 'satanic' about that? is light and its behavior now some how 'satanic'? science doesn't make the 'laws' it mearly observes and studies them!

“I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John 8:12.

I am NOT an atheist! and if you reply to this message simply with hatred or with 'hes not home schooled' rather than a thought out , logical and christian reply i will be disappointed.

We were all created by GOD , we are ALL gods children, celebrate the enormous variety of life god created, ALL creeds, colours and believes! never forget that god made it all!