[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

tl;dr

YIC
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[jessev]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

Unfortunately, I've not been able to read every post of this thread, but I wanted to touch on a couple point that have been made towards the end of the thread here, if I may.

I've read the arguments given by Marco Biagini, but don't see the point of the argument. At the basic level, his entire argument is stating that consciousness cannot exist in the current bounds of the laws of physics. However, he does nothing to prove that this is the case at all. He states the many things about the laws of physics, yes, but not a scientific reason that consciousness has to be out of the bounds of physics. Not to mention I had a problem with a number of grammatical errors in his paper there (unless it happened to be typed up by someone else. I will have to read a different copy of it somewhere and see if it has the same errors or not). Regardless, many of the things said are not entirely true, nor does he define what 'feeling' is or what 'emotion' is.

Of course the eye itself does not see they have receptors at the back of the eye that transmits the light energy into electrical and chemical energy dependent on the wavelength of the light. That signal is carried to the brain via the optic nerves and then is translated and decoded by the brain into what we see as an image.

Aside from this issue, I've been thinking of a couple of other discussion topics. Perhaps I should put a separate thread on this, unless there is already one on this subject. In which case, I apologize ahead of time if there is. However, I have read many times about how the Kings James Version 1611 Bible is the only one to follow and was written by the hand of God, but then are you saying that God translated the previous versions of the bible into English Himself and not by man? The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the language of Moses, and the New Testament was written in Greek, which was the scholar's language of the time. During Jesus' life, Aramaic was the dominant language of the region and was likely what he spoke as well. I understand that you believe America to be His 'chosen' people (from what I've seen written in the past), however is it not the Israelites in the Bible that are His chosen people?

It's a thought that I've been trying to think of and look forward to reading what comes.

One more thing about consciousness and biological reactions to stimuli. How we react to various stimuli is a purely physical reaction. Pain from touching something hot will cause us to pull our arm back. And Biagini's explanation of how an animal reacts to the same stimuli is not sufficient nor thorough. He does not seem to have a good grasp on Ethology (study of animal behavior) as most animals have very similar reactions to stimuli. Not only that, but how we perceive emotions is also simple chemical reactions. Endorphins make us feel good, caffeine makes us feel alert and awake. Most of Biagini's argument is based on the electrical part of our brain but completely ignores the more important chemical aspects of our brain (and our entire bodies for that matter). Biochemical reactions can be complex (heck, just look how our bodies produce ATP to realize that), but can and has explained how we respond to all the stimuli our senses gives us. Many of Biagini's arguments have a false pretense and over-simplifies how things really work.

P.S. By the way, so it's understood, Science simply tries to explain what we we can observe in the universe and how it works in a testable manner and/or have evidence that can support a hypothesis. It cannot explain the metaphysical by definition because it cannot be tested using the scientific method.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

you all are a bunch of ignorant racist inbred sheep that cant cope with reality so you believe in something that a primative coulture created to explain what they could not.THERE IS NO GOD NO DEVIL NO HEAVEN OR HELL TAKE YOUR CHURCH LEADERS potty mouth deleted AND BE INTELLIGENT FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF ANCIENT RELIGIONS THAT PREDATE CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE RIPPED OFF FROM ANCIENT PAGEN RELIGIONS....

I always find it possible to judge the intelligence of someone by their posting style. You need to get your carer to buy you a Bible. Soft ones are available if you are not allowed anything with sharp edges.

YIC

Jack

[Levi Jones]

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THERE IS NO GOD NO DEVIL NO HEAVEN OR HELL

In that case, why do you worship Satan?

[Chris W]

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you all are a bunch of ignorant racist inbred sheep that cant cope with reality so you believe in something that a primative coulture created to explain what they could not.THERE IS NO GOD NO DEVIL NO HEAVEN OR HELL TAKE YOUR CHURCH LEADERS potty mouth deleted AND BE INTELLIGENT FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF ANCIENT RELIGIONS THAT PREDATE CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE RIPPED OFF FROM ANCIENT PAGEN RELIGIONS....

[Jack O'fagan]

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Please tell me how long you think the earth's been spinning around the Sun for.
(If you say 4004 BC, then... I'll start laughing.)

Ha! No, as you say that would be ridiculous.

The truth is that the Sun has been rotating around the Earth for around 6000 years. The Bible tells us that the Earth does not move.

Psalm 93
1The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Hopefully that has put your mind at rest,

YIC

Jack

[RoryReloaded]

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Please tell me how long you think the earth's been spinning around the Sun for.
(If you say 4004 BC, then... I'll start laughing.)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I completely agree. Just because the Bible says it is true doesn't mean it is. I mean if you found a book on the ground full of outrageous stories would you believe them just because the book told you to?

Ah but the Holy Bible is hardly some book we found on the ground, now is it. God Almighty wrote this particular book, and we've had it to guide us for over 2,000 years now. Better men than you have tried to discredit it's Holy contents, but all have failed.

And by the way, you just quoted a dead witch.

[JohnSmit]

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Oh, yes, utterly convincing. Oh, so convincing, a badly made video with text flashing one person's opinion. If you accept such as proof, then give me a bit of time and I'll show you 'proof' that the president's wife is actually a baboon. (It's already been proven many a time that he himself bears a close resemblance to our apelike ancestors).

I completely agree. Just because the Bible says it is true doesn't mean it is. I mean if you found a book on the ground full of outrageous stories would you believe them just because the book told you to?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

On the contrary.

Fascinating stuff (if non biblical). I especially liked the bit about the brain and science.

Although, I will be cleansing my pallet with the bible (1611KJV) for several hours to come.

God is Love!
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[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Indeed.

Science has yet to find any conclusive evidence of the Soul.

On the contrary.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

Indeed.

Science has yet to find any conclusive evidence of the Soul.

And yet in the first part of the bible (KJV1611) we find:

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The bible (KJV1611) is choc full of things science has no clue about.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Praise Him!
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[Wide-Open]

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the internet & Einstein

Yup. Some more blah blah. But you did not answer my question. (Nor did you answer Didymus' question)

Try again.

Me girl, I believe in the Lord.

You, who think you know it all, have no clue about "science".

I'll give you a hint... Einstein has almost nothing to do with the Internet. You know this, or found out about it, and yet you are cowardly hiding behind a bunch of words, that make it seem that he might somehow somewhere have had something to do with it.

He didn't.

You know it. I know it.

You, girl, are a liar. A coward.

Jesus does not love liars.

You might as well have stated that Al Gore invented the interwebs. It would be just as stupid, mind you, but at least it wouldn't be so incredibly debilitating.

Statement: the internet would work exactly as well for me if there wasn't a SINGLE "satellite" in the firmament.

Neither would it change the way you access the internet. Unless you live in Godless Africa or something.

You think you are clever, we know you are dumb.

And a liar.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Owain,

Why oh why oh why do you think we don't know how much you don't even understand the science you worship? For you to even begin to assert that God and the Bible and science can co-exist is flawed in the extreme. One negates the other and seeing as God has to be right your silly science notions are plain wrong wrong wrong. Why do you think science is so unable to explain what a soul is or where or even how it goes when you die? It's because God knows the answer.
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[Owain Hughes]

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Just what are you trying to acheive here? This is a website devoted to people who believe the bible (KJV1611) is inerrant. At yet you come here saying we are wrong. How would you feel if I was to tell you that phlogiston was wrong or that the speed of light never changes?

You would give me short thrift, I expect. What do you expect to gain by spitting in our beliefs? That you would get a big hug and a cookie?


Please i DO NOT wish to SPIT on anyone who follows God, as i do! Just stop being so backwards about the world of science and understanding! The bible is Gods moral code to live by, do onto others, love thy neighbor! We dont live in a time where we can stone people to death anymore, we've moved on to a more advanced understanding of the 'laws' God put in place both morally & physically... get over it!

God bless you

hmmmmmmmm cookies haha