[Bobby-Joe]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

The Gallic Wars were not just recorded in Caesar's own commentaries. His officer Aulus Hirtius also produced evidence of the events. Both people have been proven to exist through several external pieces of evidence, and as such were in positions of political power. As a historian, we must take this at face value, and trust the merit of these commentaries.

So the Bible... for a start, there is no proof that Jesus or any of his disciples ACTUALLY existed.

This begs the question then do you have proof Aulus Hritus existed?

Obviously you can't point to Julius Caesar's tomb because his body was conveniently burned (and his spirit magically flew up into the sky, what pagan rubbish) The material evidence for the existence of the early Roman emperors is mighty thin, you have to admit. If the most powerful men in the world leave scant evidence for their existences what do you seriously expect to find from a bunch of Judian peasants considered rebels by their culture's elites?

[Frayling0]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

It might be thin, but several sources from several countries and several prominent figures is enough. Give me one piece of evidence that proves God is real, that doesn't rely on the Bible.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

It might be thin, but several sources from several countries and several prominent figures is enough. Give me one piece of evidence that proves God is real, that doesn't rely on the Bible.

Read here please.

Six scientific Extra-Biblical arguments that PROVE God exists

[Frayling0]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

None of those are scientifically valid sources to PROVE God.

Number 1 makes logical sense, but doesn't PROVE anything in the Bible occured, nor that Christianity is correct.

Number 2 presumes God exists, and is self defeating.

Number 3 is COMPLETELY invalid. Some people 'know' they have psychic abilities. That doesn't make it real.

Number 4 - I won't even bother explaining this one. I feel like face palming.

Number 5 presumes God exists in the first place, and is therefore again self defeating.

Number 6 presumes the higher power we think of is the Christian 'God' As of yet, you haven't proven this to me.

Once again, give me scientific/historical sources that prove God other than the Bible. Keep trying.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

Once again, give me scientific/historical sources that prove God other than the Bible. Keep trying.

Why should I? You just mocked my answers, as typical for an Atheist. You're just closed minded.

No, you PROVE to me God doesn't exist.

[Frayling0]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

No. It's human nature to prove before disproving. I may be the 'cliched' atheist that you forum users hate and want to burn as heretics, but the truth is you can't justify the racism, homophobia, and scientific ignorance inherent in this forum. THAT is why I want proof.

[True Disciple]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

No. It's human nature to prove before disproving. I may be the 'cliched' atheist that you forum users hate and want to burn as heretics, but the truth is you can't justify the racism, homophobia, and scientific ignorance inherent in this forum. THAT is why I want proof.

We can justify everything we say with the Holy Bible, Which is written by God. Who do you think knows better, God, or some confused scientists, who never even read the Bible and worship monkeys and silly, universe-birthing explosions?

[Frayling0]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

Well considering you haven't proven God to me as of yet, I'll believe the 'monkey worshipping scientists' who have proven the evolution of life through various and varied sources, tests and experiments - all of which don't rely on 1 thousands of years old book. All you have to argue against me is the Bible. One ancient book, which seems to be the only source you have to prove anything. I want to believe you, but that last post just sums up how desperate you are, saying the Bible can justify anything, including the racism and homophobia that you blindly and naively post on this forum.

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

No. It's human nature to prove before disproving.

It's also human nature to feel the urge to procreate on instinct, but that doesn't mean I should jingoistically gingerly giratingly jump on my mother-in-law whenever the urge takes me. Particularly when she can cook the best Arrós a Banda west of the River Guadalquivir.

[Frayling0]

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It's also human nature to feel the urge to procreate on instinct, but that doesn't mean I should jingoistically gingerly giratingly jump on my mother-in-law whenever the urge takes me. Particularly when she can cook the best Arrós a Banda west of the River Guadalquivir.

Wow. A real constructive point there, twisting my words and giving me some nonsensical and irrelevant anecdote. Well done.

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

Wow. A real constructive point there, twisting my words and giving me some nonsensical and irrelevant anecdote. Well done.

Twisting your words? I think not. Rather, pointing out the original twistedness of your twirly twittish twisted words and how twisted your own example was in the first place. What's your motto? 'Twist' then 'Shout' about it?

We can do without beetles like you.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

Wow. A real constructive point there, twisting my words and giving me some nonsensical and irrelevant anecdote. Well done.

What do you expect when you refuse to accept any reasonable proof.

You want to act like a child, you will be treated as one.

[Frayling0]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

What do you expect when you refuse to accept any reasonable proof.

You want to act like a child, you will be treated as one.

Maybe because your proof ISN'T reasonable. As another member of your Church pointed out in another thread. 'Historical sources prove Jesus' existence, therefore logically God exists'. This implies that because historical sources prove Alexander the Great existed, Heracles and Zeus (his "descendants") must also logically exist. Does that sound like REASONABLE proof to you? I'm not an unreasonable person, just a cynical Uni history student. Once I see some 'reasonable proof' I will concede defeat. And I want to be defeated. I really do!

[Bobby-Joe]

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Maybe because your proof ISN'T reasonable. As another member of your Church pointed out in another thread. 'Historical sources prove Jesus' existence, therefore logically God exists'. This implies that because historical sources prove Alexander the Great existed, Heracles and Zeus (his "descendants") must also logically exist.

Heracles and Zeus are false gods! They can't save your from Hell, only Jesus can.

Does that sound like REASONABLE proof to you? I'm not an unreasonable person, just a cynical Uni history student. Once I see some 'reasonable proof' I will concede defeat. And I want to be defeated. I really do!

There is your problem. You want to meet God in your own comfort zone. No! God is greater than the Universe and exists outside space and time yet He is man's best friend and with us at all times. God is not reasonable. Logically the proof for God is going to a contradictory mess.

Now let's look at The Bible and what do we see? A vast rambling document that contradicts itself at random and talks about bizarre things that make no sense, JUST LIKE GOD! Reasonably The Bible is the proof of God because The Bible is so unreasonable.

[Frayling0]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

Now let's look at The Bible and what do we see? A vast rambling document that contradicts itself at random and talks about bizarre things that make no sense, JUST LIKE GOD!

You said it...