[I Bring the truth]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

Science has proven in several ways that the earth is older than 6000 years like the 7000 year old tree found in 2010 and what do you guys have one book what does the the word bible mean it means book bet half you guys didn't know that that's why it's called the holy bible not just bible. So what if the bible was just some book a guy wrote to troll people and make them live there lives in a good way knowing that when they died they would never know he lied so there life was wasted

[one_young_man]

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Hi, and welcome to our friendly forums! I'm afraid you're quite confused here. We're not afraid of anything save the Lord (Matthew 10:28). No one here is afraid of new discoveries, we simply discern false claims from the Truth. Do you have a problem with the Truth? It seems to me you do, because why else would you find a kind and friendly church forum and then accuse everyone of being heartless cowards? I think there is some hidden fear that resides in deep in your heart, and yet your soul is crying out for the Truth. This would explain why you simultaneously ridicule and respect us. Your flesh desires the ridicule, as it is governed by sin, but your soul desires the Truth at is is crying out for its Creator. I find it interesting that rather than read the Holy Bible for yourself, you are playing some subtle game of "Gotcha" with people who have a desire only to serve and love the LORD.

Well, the LORD for one refutes that pretty clearly (Matthew 12:30 ). Do you mean to suggest that God wasn't quite sure what He meant when He wrote the Scriptures? Do you mean to suggest that God was intentionally vague and misleading? Do you mean to suggest that in addition to the 40,000+ Christian denominations and thousands of other religions, people with no religion or made up new age beliefs are all correct, even though the diametrically oppose each other? Do you really mean to suggest A can at the same time be A and not A? That's foolishness, dear. Are you potted up on weed right now, because that's the only thing that makes sense here.

Sister Mary, I now admit this is the beginning of a break through, Praise Jesus! But I wish not to bore you with the details here as I have already exclaimed my personal revelation at the tail end of my introduction message. Please pardon all previous submissions of false inquiry and transgression. For they were nothing more than a poor-lamb's attempt at ensuring the truth found in these pages stood in accordance with what the good people of my own community have been preaching for more than 400 years - the truth found only in the KJV1611 Bible.

I shall heretofore not interpret, nor question, nor transgress that which this community has put forth - if, that is, it has been put forth through the Good Lord, Jesus Christ!

YIC Good Sister

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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But that is precisely my point. The internet is an invented concept not defined in the Bible. But we do not fear the internet.

What difference is that from gravity? Of course we could argue that God invented the internet to spread his word, but then why can't we argue that God invented gravity to keep his children grounded?

It seems we continue to redefine what is and isn't Scripture to fit our needs (or in some cases comfort levels) every time a new discovery occurs. But we shouldn't find the need to continually defend our religion against science - God invented science.

There is no mention of Capitalism in the Bible - this too is a modern concept. But God has provided us with the power of reason. The ability to analyze the economic systems that have preceded us and create something better. And I don't think most Americans Christians would consider Capitalism evil - though it's certainly imperfect.

My point is that we continue to feel threatened by new discoveries because we fear that in some way they're either sent from the Devil or are attempting to disprove the existence of God. Meanwhile God invented everything that has been discovered and everything that has yet to be discovered by man. We should not fear, but embrace the excitement and potential wonder of all the discoveries yet to come, which He has ultimately provided.

Concepts like the internet, gravity, economy and science are not inherently evil, nor do they inherently disprove God's existence. Atheists will use them however they wish to support their beliefs, just as many fearing Christians will refute them to protect theirs. In either case these concepts still come from God.

Finally, we must be very careful with how we define what's the right belief. How can there exist right and wrong in the eyes of faith. We must respect our differing beliefs and their colorful, multifarious nature. We cannot say the Atheist is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that there is no God. We cannot say the Muslim is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that Allah send them the prophet Muhammad. Just as they can never say that the Christian is mistaken - for our faith dictates that God appeared to us in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, and who's death and resurrection provided our salvation.

Faith can never be truly right nor truly wrong. There is no guarantee in, or absolute notion of, any one belief system. If there were, there would be no reason for multiple religions - for why would there be if we had irrefutable proof that one was truly right? We can only believe it to be true.

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love. And how can anyone refute that?

There is no mention of Coca Cola(r) in the Bible, either. Nor cheeseburgers.

God doesn't exist in your heart. He ACTUALLY exists, just as real as the very fires of hell.

You are making a typical false Christian mistake. You want to make claims based on what YOU can understand from God's Holy Word. The trouble is, you don't understand the Holy Word. Because your father is satan.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[MitzaLizalor]

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I'd feel more comfortable if you would provide supporting Scripture for these claims.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

Herre's one for capitalism: I hope that is helpful.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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My point is that we continue to feel threatened by new discoveries because we fear that in some way they're either sent from the Devil or are attempting to disprove the existence of God.

Hi, and welcome to our friendly forums! I'm afraid you're quite confused here. We're not afraid of anything save the Lord (Matthew 10:28). No one here is afraid of new discoveries, we simply discern false claims from the Truth. Do you have a problem with the Truth? It seems to me you do, because why else would you find a kind and friendly church forum and then accuse everyone of being heartless cowards? I think there is some hidden fear that resides in deep in your heart, and yet your soul is crying out for the Truth. This would explain why you simultaneously ridicule and respect us. Your flesh desires the ridicule, as it is governed by sin, but your soul desires the Truth at is is crying out for its Creator. I find it interesting that rather than read the Holy Bible for yourself, you are playing some subtle game of "Gotcha" with people who have a desire only to serve and love the LORD.

Finally, we must be very careful with how we define what's the right belief. How can there exist right and wrong in the eyes of faith. We must respect our differing beliefs and their colorful, multifarious nature. We cannot say the Atheist is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that there is no God. We cannot say the Muslim is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that Allah send them the prophet Muhammad. Just as they can never say that the Christian is mistaken - for our faith dictates that God appeared to us in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, and who's death and resurrection provided our salvation.

Faith can never be truly right nor truly wrong. There is no guarantee in, or absolute notion of, any one belief system. If there were, there would be no reason for multiple religions - for why would there be if we had irrefutable proof that one was truly right? We can only believe it to be true.

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love. And how can anyone refute that?

Well, the LORD for one refutes that pretty clearly (Matthew 12:30 ). Do you mean to suggest that God wasn't quite sure what He meant when He wrote the Scriptures? Do you mean to suggest that God was intentionally vague and misleading? Do you mean to suggest that in addition to the 40,000+ Christian denominations and thousands of other religions, people with no religion or made up new age beliefs are all correct, even though the diametrically oppose each other? Do you really mean to suggest A can at the same time be A and not A? That's foolishness, dear. Are you potted up on weed right now, because that's the only thing that makes sense here.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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blah blah blah

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love.

I'd feel more comfortable if you would provide supporting Scripture for these claims.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[one_young_man]

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But that is precisely my point. The internet is an invented concept not defined in the Bible. But we do not fear the internet.

What difference is that from gravity? Of course we could argue that God invented the internet to spread his word, but then why can't we argue that God invented gravity to keep his children grounded?

It seems we continue to redefine what is and isn't Scripture to fit our needs (or in some cases comfort levels) every time a new discovery occurs. But we shouldn't find the need to continually defend our religion against science - God invented science.

There is no mention of Capitalism in the Bible - this too is a modern concept. But God has provided us with the power of reason. The ability to analyze the economic systems that have preceded us and create something better. And I don't think most Americans Christians would consider Capitalism evil - though it's certainly imperfect.

My point is that we continue to feel threatened by new discoveries because we fear that in some way they're either sent from the Devil or are attempting to disprove the existence of God. Meanwhile God invented everything that has been discovered and everything that has yet to be discovered by man. We should not fear, but embrace the excitement and potential wonder of all the discoveries yet to come, which He has ultimately provided.

Concepts like the internet, gravity, economy and science are not inherently evil, nor do they inherently disprove God's existence. Atheists will use them however they wish to support their beliefs, just as many fearing Christians will refute them to protect theirs. In either case these concepts still come from God.

Finally, we must be very careful with how we define what's the right belief. How can there exist right and wrong in the eyes of faith. We must respect our differing beliefs and their colorful, multifarious nature. We cannot say the Atheist is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that there is no God. We cannot say the Muslim is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that Allah send them the prophet Muhammad. Just as they can never say that the Christian is mistaken - for our faith dictates that God appeared to us in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, and who's death and resurrection provided our salvation.

Faith can never be truly right nor truly wrong. There is no guarantee in, or absolute notion of, any one belief system. If there were, there would be no reason for multiple religions - for why would there be if we had irrefutable proof that one was truly right? We can only believe it to be true.

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love. And how can anyone refute that?

[one_young_man]

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Thank you for your replies. I have done as requested.

Thank you

[John Creeser]

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But that is precisely my point. The internet is an invented concept not defined in the Bible. But we do not fear the internet.

What difference is that from gravity? Of course we could argue that God invented the internet to spread his word, but then why can't we argue that God invented gravity to keep his children grounded?

It seems we continue to redefine what is and isn't Scripture to fit our needs (or in some cases comfort levels) every time a new discovery occurs. But we shouldn't find the need to continually defend our religion against science - God invented science.

There is no mention of Capitalism in the Bible - this too is a modern concept. But God has provided us with the power of reason. The ability to analyze the economic systems that have preceded us and create something better. And I don't think most Americans Christians would consider Capitalism evil - though it's certainly imperfect.

My point is that we continue to feel threatened by new discoveries because we fear that in some way they're either sent from the Devil or are attempting to disprove the existence of God. Meanwhile God invented everything that has been discovered and everything that has yet to be discovered by man. We should not fear, but embrace the excitement and potential wonder of all the discoveries yet to come, which He has ultimately provided.

Concepts like the internet, gravity, economy and science are not inherently evil, nor do they inherently disprove God's existence. Atheists will use them however they wish to support their beliefs, just as many fearing Christians will refute them to protect theirs. In either case these concepts still come from God.

Finally, we must be very careful with how we define what's the right belief. How can there exist right and wrong in the eyes of faith. We must respect our differing beliefs and their colorful, multifarious nature. We cannot say the Atheist is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that there is no God. We cannot say the Muslim is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that Allah send them the prophet Muhammad. Just as they can never say that the Christian is mistaken - for our faith dictates that God appeared to us in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, and who's death and resurrection provided our salvation.

Faith can never be truly right nor truly wrong. There is no guarantee in, or absolute notion of, any one belief system. If there were, there would be no reason for multiple religions - for why would there be if we had irrefutable proof that one was truly right? We can only believe it to be true.

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love. And how can anyone refute that?

Multiple religions = multiple people headed for eternal damnation. There is only one God, the Bible tells us;

Deuteronomy 4:35 Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

In short, modern day science tells us the Earth is billions of years old; nonsense. The genealogy of the Bible tells us the Earth is 6000 years old. That is reason enough for me to dismiss modern day science as nothing more than an atheist agenda to discredit His word.

Also, this isn't a debate forum, we are here to worship His word, not question it.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

And before you continue, as I have asked before, follow the link in my previous response and introduce yourself.

Thank you.

[one_young_man]

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But that is precisely my point. The internet is an invented concept not defined in the Bible. But we do not fear the internet.

What difference is that from gravity? Of course we could argue that God invented the internet to spread his word, but then why can't we argue that God invented gravity to keep his children grounded?

It seems we continue to redefine what is and isn't Scripture to fit our needs (or in some cases comfort levels) every time a new discovery occurs. But we shouldn't find the need to continually defend our religion against science - God invented science.

There is no mention of Capitalism in the Bible - this too is a modern concept. But God has provided us with the power of reason. The ability to analyze the economic systems that have preceded us and create something better. And I don't think most Americans Christians would consider Capitalism evil - though it's certainly imperfect.

My point is that we continue to feel threatened by new discoveries because we fear that in some way they're either sent from the Devil or are attempting to disprove the existence of God. Meanwhile God invented everything that has been discovered and everything that has yet to be discovered by man. We should not fear, but embrace the excitement and potential wonder of all the discoveries yet to come, which He has ultimately provided.

Concepts like the internet, gravity, economy and science are not inherently evil, nor do they inherently disprove God's existence. Atheists will use them however they wish to support their beliefs, just as many fearing Christians will refute them to protect theirs. In either case these concepts still come from God.

Finally, we must be very careful with how we define what's the right belief. How can there exist right and wrong in the eyes of faith. We must respect our differing beliefs and their colorful, multifarious nature. We cannot say the Atheist is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that there is no God. We cannot say the Muslim is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that Allah send them the prophet Muhammad. Just as they can never say that the Christian is mistaken - for our faith dictates that God appeared to us in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, and who's death and resurrection provided our salvation.

Faith can never be truly right nor truly wrong. There is no guarantee in, or absolute notion of, any one belief system. If there were, there would be no reason for multiple religions - for why would there be if we had irrefutable proof that one was truly right? We can only believe it to be true.

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love. And how can anyone refute that?

[John Creeser]

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Hello all, I am new to this site site and I have noticed a few things and was hoping to ask a few questions. And please note that I ask the following in the most humbling and heartfelt way possible; it is for my own edification and I do not mean to offend or upset anybody in this or other forums.

There appears to be a lot of name calling and otherwise hateful speech being tossed around, which doesn't appear to be very Christian like. Is there a reason for such insidiously polemical responses? Mind you I've seen this from both sides of the aisle.

Also, I don't understand why we cannot embrace science and religion simultaneously. If tomorrow science proves (with empirical evidence, apart from the belief we all have) that there is a God, would that not be grand news? Or is this a paradoxical question? For how could such evil propound such truth? And, of course, if we do accept it then what other (previously refuted) scientific notions should we reconsider?

And is science evil strictly because of its Biblical absence? In other forums this argument was used to define the evilness of gravity, centripetal force and static electricity. However, is not the mention of the internet and computers absent from the same Bible? Should we not consider these items evil as well? How are we so sure that the Devil did not place these items here to distract us from practicing our faith and worshiping the one true God? And while the recipe for creating tempera paint is not clearly listed in the Bible, are Duccio's 'Madonna and Child' or Monaco's 'Adoration of the Magi' not as awe inspiring?

Please respond with the same kindness as I have attempted to display. God bless!

What does the Bible say about science?

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1 Timothy 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

A lot of scientific theory flies in the face of what the Bible teaches us. We must trust that the Bible trumps all because, well, it says so;

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Habakkuk 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

So no, secular science and Biblical teachings cannot coincide together. I trust in the Lord Almighty, not that wheelchair bound freak Stephen Hawking.

Also, as Sister Mitza has mentioned, before you continue to post do us the courtesy of introducing yourself here.

[MitzaLizalor]

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When we see behaviour described in The Bible we know it is wrong because God declares that it is wrong. He also describes different error in different terms but whenever we need to describe a behaviour we don't need to think up new words because God has already supplied the words. In different situations different passages of Scripture might be quoted, and are quoted so that we understand how God feels.

Welcome to the forum, there is an intro. thread where you can introduce yourself

[one_young_man]

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Hello all, I am new to this site site and I have noticed a few things and was hoping to ask a few questions. And please note that I ask the following in the most humbling and heartfelt way possible; it is for my own edification and I do not mean to offend or upset anybody in this or other forums.

There appears to be a lot of name calling and otherwise hateful speech being tossed around, which doesn't appear to be very Christian like. Is there a reason for such insidiously polemical responses? Mind you I've seen this from both sides of the aisle.

Also, I don't understand why we cannot embrace science and religion simultaneously. If tomorrow science proves (with empirical evidence, apart from the belief we all have) that there is a God, would that not be grand news? Or is this a paradoxical question? For how could such evil propound such truth? And, of course, if we do accept it then what other (previously refuted) scientific notions should we reconsider?

And is science evil strictly because of its Biblical absence? In other forums this argument was used to define the evilness of gravity, centripetal force and static electricity. However, is not the mention of the internet and computers absent from the same Bible? Should we not consider these items evil as well? How are we so sure that the Devil did not place these items here to distract us from practicing our faith and worshiping the one true God? And while the recipe for creating tempera paint is not clearly listed in the Bible, are Duccio's 'Madonna and Child' or Monaco's 'Adoration of the Magi' not as awe inspiring?

Please respond with the same kindness as I have attempted to display. God bless!

[HumbleSir]

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It is rather obvious that you have been brain washed by the Devil. I don't know what made you think the earth could possibly be older than 6000 years!
Were you around 6000 years ago?........You were not? Then how can you assume that the earth could possibly be older than that. God was around 6000 years ago, therefore i can safely conclude that his judgement is correct.

[HumbleSir]

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Hi my name is Bill how you doing.
Allow her to have her own opinion, seeing as there is like 50 pages i'm sure it would be hard for her to keep up. She is after all a female, and brother you know women are not as down to earth as us men.