[James123]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Pastor, they can measure the distance of the moon with a laser. The light from the laser travels at a known speed. When pointed at the moon, the light travels towards the moon, the moon then reflects part of it back towards earth, and a sensitive sensor on the ground can measure the EXACT time that was required for the light to travel to the moon and back.

Split this time in half (because you only need to know the time it took to actually reach the moon), and multiply it by the speed of laser light (299792458 metres/second). You then know the exact distance earth-moon. (distances vary because the moons orbit is an elipse.

Another question.. How, HOW could Noah taken two of each animal of the world onto his boat? Must have been one BIIIIIIIG boat!
The class of animals that human beings belong to, the mammals, includes close to 5,000 species. The number of birds is over 15,000. There are more than 3,000 kinds of snakes, and 300 kinds of turtles (Yes, TURTLES).
The mollusk family, which includes sea animals like the clam, has more than 100,000 members, while the lobster and crab family has over 20,000. There are some 15,000 species of protozoans, or one-celled animals, but the record for the number of different species is held by insects, with well over 750,000!
The best estimate is that there are at least three million different kinds of animals on earth!
Must have been cozy, a boat with 6.000.001 passengers

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

The bible was MADE UP by some delusional old man who really didn't have anything else to do

Source please. Better yet, can you back this up with scripture? Can you back this up somehow at all? Did you knew this man? What was his name?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

No? Nothing. What a shock. So you were just lying.

Not much credibility now on anything else you have said before. Liar.

[James123]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Same question for you, have you ever seen god? Have you ever met god? What does god look like?

Obviously you can't answer these quesions other then by saying 'god isn't in a physical form' <-- Alright, same goes for the delusional old man then!

I obviously used the 'delusional old man' as a sarcastic reference. I have no idea who (man or woman) wrote this famous novel, and named it 'the holy bible' . But I DO know that it was thought up and written by a person who clearly didn't know what was what. It's fictional and out-dated, all you have to do now is open your eyes and realize it.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

For instance, if you board an airplane in the US, and you fly straight to the WEST, you end up in Japan... Right? But, if this same airplane would fly EAST long enough, you will reach Japan as well. PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE EARTH CAN BE FLAT!

If you get on the I-440 beltline in Raleigh at Wade Avenue and drive NORTH, you will reach Glenwood Avenue. But, if you were to drive SOUTH long enough, you will reach Glenwood Avenue as well. Does this mean that the city of Raleigh, North Carolina is spherical?

Pastor, they can measure the distance of the moon with a laser. The light from the laser travels at a known speed. When pointed at the moon, the light travels towards the moon, the moon then reflects part of it back towards earth, and a sensitive sensor on the ground can measure the EXACT time that was required for the light to travel to the moon and back.

Split this time in half (because you only need to know the time it took to actually reach the moon), and multiply it by the speed of laser light (299792458 metres/second). You then know the exact distance earth-moon. (distances vary because the moons orbit is an elipse.

Gravity curves light, and time is dilated inside a gravity well. Are you taking those effects into account?

Another question.. How, HOW could Noah taken two of each animal of the world onto his boat? Must have been one BIIIIIIIG boat!
The class of animals that human beings belong to, the mammals, includes close to 5,000 species. The number of birds is over 15,000. There are more than 3,000 kinds of snakes, and 300 kinds of turtles (Yes, TURTLES).
The mollusk family, which includes sea animals like the clam, has more than 100,000 members, while the lobster and crab family has over 20,000. There are some 15,000 species of protozoans, or one-celled animals, but the record for the number of different species is held by insects, with well over 750,000!
The best estimate is that there are at least three million different kinds of animals on earth!
Must have been cozy, a boat with 6.000.001 passengers

This question has been answered in spades in other threads. What has this got to do with the question of how high above the ground is the sun?

The evolutionist term species is not the same thing as a Biblical kind. Noah brought one pair of snakes, one pair of beetles, one pair of spiders, etc., not millions of redundant "species".

If you want to learn more about this, please use the search function. This thread is about the sun and other celestial bodies in the firmament.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[John Creeser]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

No? Nothing. What a shock. So you were just lying.

Not much credibility now on anything else you have said before. Liar.

Brother Alban,

When faced with the overwhelming facts of the Bible, these atheists run for the hills. They know they've been defeated.

Trips to the moon, lasers, "math", hearse from some monkey worshiping "scientist"...on and on. Goes to show you just how gullible these people are, and have you noticed they NEVER back up their claims with scripture?

....and they expect to be taken seriously

[James123]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Wow did someone actually edit my post? That's sad.

I stated the bible was f1cti0nal and out-dated, and it changed to 'real and out-dated' haha.

Don't get me wrong, I myself was raised with the bible. Though after reaching a certain age (an age where i could think for myself), I realised that it all wasn't real.

[John Creeser]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Don't get me wrong,

Why not? That's all you've been with every post you write....Mr. round earth

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Wow did someone actually edit my post? That's sad.

I stated the bible was f1cti0nal and out-dated, and it changed to 'real and out-dated' haha.

Don't get me wrong, I myself was raised with the bible. Though after reaching a certain age (an age where i could think for myself), I realised that it all wasn't real.

Friend,

Please cite scripture that says it is a fantasy. This is The Bible we are talking about, not Lord of the Rings.

[James123]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Im guessing the I-440 beltline in Raleigh at Wade Avenue is a circular route? Hence I used an airplane as an example because it flies in a straight line.

Gravity doesn't just bend light. Light excists of photons. Photons have no weight. Therefore there is no gravitational force on these photons -> they stay on their normal trajectory!

If Noah took one pair of beetles, snakes spiders etc, then how do you explain that there are so many DIFFERENT species now? So you're saying that Darwin was right after all? The species evolved into the wide variety of species known today? Sweet.


And on topic, as you requested;
One of the many, simple examples: The satellite that allows you to watch tv is orbitting the earth in a so called 'geostationary orbit'. When in this orbit, the satellite moves at the exact same speed and direction of the earth's orbit. The satellite will be straight above the same place (New-York for example) until it is moved (BY MAN) or destroyed. This 'geostationary orbit' is known to be at an altitude of 35 786 km above sea level. So by saying that the sun is just 500km away from earth, you're implying that the satellite is further away from earth than the sun? Common sense will tell you this is NOT the case.

I will not supply you with scripture, because you all know google. Browse around there some time, and you'll find that the world isn't what you've been told. Also, your 'scriptures', being quotes taken straight from the bible, prove nothing. As the bible has had it wrong on multiple occasions.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Im guessing the I-440 beltline in Raleigh at Wade Avenue is a circular route? Hence I used an airplane as an example because it flies in a straight line.

If the earth were spherical, and you traveled in a straight line, you would go off into space, wouldn't you?

The plane is traveling in a circle also.

Gravity doesn't just bend light. Light excists of photons. Photons have no weight. Therefore there is no gravitational force on these photons -> they stay on their normal trajectory!

Scientists disagree with you.

If Noah took one pair of beetles, snakes spiders etc, then how do you explain that there are so many DIFFERENT species now? So you're saying that Darwin was right after all? The species evolved into the wide variety of species known today? Sweet.

I explain it the same way I explain why there are so many breeds of dogs.

We're talking about microevolution, or evolution within a kind. There is plenty of evidence that microevolution occurs. There is NO evidence that macroevolution, or one kind evolving into another kind, has ever occurred. Show me a single example of something that isn't a cat evolving into a cat, or something that isn't a turtle evolving into a turtle. You can't do it, because such examples don't exist.

One of the many, simple examples: The satellite that allows you to watch tv is orbitting the earth in a so called 'geostationary orbit'. When in this orbit, the satellite moves at the exact same speed and direction of the earth's orbit. The satellite will be straight above the same place (New-York for example) until it is moved (BY MAN) or destroyed.

That's called "hovering". Ask yourself why these "geostationary" satellites crash back to Earth when they run out of fuel.

A helicopter can sit straight above the same place (New York for example) until it is moved (BY MAN) or destroyed. Is it also in a "geostationary orbit"?

This 'geostationary orbit' is known to be at an altitude of 35 786 km above sea level. So by saying that the sun is just 500km away from earth, you're implying that the satellite is further away from earth than the sun? Common sense will tell you this is NOT the case.

No, I deny that the satellites are that high up. How do you know how high up they are? Just because someone told you or you read it somewhere?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Lanfeust]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

If the earth were spherical, and you traveled in a straight line, you would go off into space, wouldn't you?

The plane is traveling in a circle also.


Scientists disagree with you.


I explain it the same way I explain why there are so many breeds of dogs.

We're talking about microevolution, or evolution within a kind. There is plenty of evidence that microevolution occurs. There is NO evidence that macroevolution, or one kind evolving into another kind, has ever occurred. Show me a single example of something that isn't a cat evolving into a cat, or something that isn't a turtle evolving into a turtle. You can't do it, because such examples don't exist.


That's called "hovering". Ask yourself why these "geostationary" satellites crash back to Earth when they run out of fuel.

A helicopter can sit straight above the same place (New York for example) until it is moved (BY MAN) or destroyed. Is it also in a "geostationary orbit"?


No, I deny that the satellites are that high up. How do you know how high up they are? Just because someone told you or you read it somewhere?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

First, macro-evolution is spimly alot of micro-evolution over a long period of time, you can't have an certain amount of micro-evolution but no more than that amount, that's simply being stuborn. You agree to micro-evolution than also to macro-evolution.

Light can only be bend under very specific situations, on earth the grivations is way too low too have effect on light. But on the wikipedia site (you didn't even made a effort to read) it clearly states that black-holes or other grivational pits (like a massive solar body) can be so massive that also light gets 'sucked'.

Light can only be 'broken' not bend (like in water or prisms), and that effect is proven like watching a rainbow, light that get's broken in different wavelength by raindrops.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

First, macro-evolution is spimly alot of micro-evolution over a long period of time, you can't have an certain amount of micro-evolution but no more than that amount, that's simply being stuborn. You agree to micro-evolution than also to macro-evolution.

Given enough time, you can have an infinite amount of microevolutionary changes, but they will never add up to a single macroevolutionary change. You will never see an organism of one kind evolve into an organism of another kind. There is no evidence of it ever happening in the past, and evolutionists have failed to identify a mechanism by which it could ever happen in the future. No non-cat has ever given birth to a cat, and no cat will ever give birth to a non-cat. No non-turtle has ever given birth to a turtle, and no turtle will ever give birth to a non-turtle.

Light can only be bend under very specific situations, on earth the grivations is way too low too have effect on light. But on the wikipedia site (you didn't even made a effort to read) it clearly states that black-holes or other grivational pits (like a massive solar body) can be so massive that also light gets 'sucked'.

Other than God, the Earth is the most massive thing in the universe, so the Earth has plenty of gravity. The celestial bodies are very small by comparison.

Light can only be 'broken' not bend (like in water or prisms), and that effect is proven like watching a rainbow, light that get's broken in different wavelength by raindrops.

OK, Einstein, how much gravity does a rainbow have?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Condemnedlastweek]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Yes, it's millions of miles away.


Have a nice day.

[Condemnedlastweek]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Given enough time, you can have an infinite amount of microevolutionary changes, but they will never add up to a single macroevolutionary change. You will never see an organism of one kind evolve into an organism of another kind. There is no evidence of it ever happening in the past, and evolutionists have failed to identify a mechanism by which it could ever happen in the future. No non-cat has ever given birth to a cat, and no cat will ever give birth to a non-cat. No non-turtle has ever given birth to a turtle, and no turtle will ever give birth to a non-turtle.

Because it doesn't happen that suddenly. It happens over millions of years through adaptation and slight mutations (Good ones).

Other than God, the Earth is the most massive thing in the universe, so the Earth has plenty of gravity. The celestial bodies are very small by comparison.

Sorry, but it's not. The Sun is the biggest in our Solar System, then Jupiter, then Saturn etc. Thanks. (I feel like a teacher for 8 year olds.)

OK, Einstein, how much gravity does a rainbow have?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Umm, he wasn't talking about rainbows with gravity (They don't have gravity, to put it simply), he was talking about how light changes directions through raindrops and 'splits' up into its different wavelengths.