[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Well, Mr Knees, I don't assume your god created anything because I don't believe in him.
But I am saying that, if the bible were accurately describing the creation of the universe, it should also mention the fact that the earth is a mere speck in the vastness of the galaxy, and this galaxy a mere speck in the vastness of the universe.
Not to mention the fact that it refers to the moon as 'one of the two great light sources'?
Hate to rain on your parade but the moon DOES NOT GIVE OFF ANY LIGHT! It is a small satellite planet, and it merely reflects light from the sun.

If that were the case, why is no mention of any other planet in the bible at all? Not to mention that wonderful bit in there about the Earth being flat!


And believing the the Earth is 6000 years old and flat doesn't make you look silly?

Van Pintlehook, let me explain those things which you do not seem to grasp. Firstly, the Bible doesn't talk about everything. It doesn't have to. It only talks about how one can save one's miserable soul. Not being in the Bible doesn't mean that other planets don't exist. You aren't in the Bible either, but you probably exist. And not for nothing, either! To serve GOD!

Secondly, go outside during the clear night of a full moon. Before your teeth grow out and you start howling, look at the ground. Do you see your shadow? Yes. From the moon. That's all the Bible says.


I have explained many times why the earth used to be flat but isn't now. When GOD sent Noah's flood, there was so much water that it soaked into the earth like soaking into a sponge. So the earth puffed up and got round. Simple logic, Missy!

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Well, Mr Knees, I don't assume your god created anything because I don't believe in him.
But I am saying that, if the bible were accurately describing the creation of the universe, it should also mention the fact that the earth is a mere speck in the vastness of the galaxy, and this galaxy a mere speck in the vastness of the universe.
Not to mention the fact that it refers to the moon as 'one of the two great light sources'?
Hate to rain on your parade but the moon DOES NOT GIVE OFF ANY LIGHT! It is a small satellite planet, and it merely reflects light from the sun.

I see. So when you go out on a night with a full moon, there's no more light given than on a night with a new moon?

I rest my case.

If that were the case, why is no mention of any other planet in the bible at all? Not to mention that wonderful bit in there about the Earth being flat!

Where exactly does it say the earth is flat? It's described as a circle/sphere; and it's described as "hanging on nothing" . . . but not flat. That's one of your heathen corruptions, probably from that New Infidel perVersion!

I'm only going to quote things for you, since that's all your tired "oooooo, the Bible says the earth is FLAT" argument deserves!

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html



Some Bible critics have claimed that Revelation 7:1 assumes a flat earth since the verse refers to angels standing at the "four corners" of the earth. Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving. Bible writers used the "language of appearance," just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly. [DD]

In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. [DD]

A literal translation of Job 26:10 is "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22 - "the circle of the earth."
Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe. [JSM]

from:

• Dr. Donald DeYoung, Ph.D. (Physics), Astronomy and the Bible, pg. 17, published by Baker Book House
• Dr. Joan Sloat Morton, Ph.D. (Biology and related scientific studies), Science in the Bible (Chicago: Moody Press, 1978), p. 13

and a more detailed description of Isaiah 40:22:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH131.html

1. The passage saying the earth is round is Isaiah 40:22:
   He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
2. The shape of the earth may already have been known in Isaiah's time. Ancient astronomers could determine that the earth was round by observing its circular shadow move across the moon during lunar eclipses. There is some suggestion that the Egyptians knew of the earth's spherical size and shape around 2550 B.C.E. (more than a thousand years before Moses). The Greek philosopher Pythagoras, who was born in 532 B.C.E., defended the spherical theory on the basis of observations he had made of the shape of the sun and moon (Uotila 1984). If this information was known by educated Greeks and Egyptians during biblical times, its use by Isaiah is nothing special.

See? Isaiah wrote about the earth being round more than a thousand years before Pythagoras!!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Ahh.. Isn't that exactly what you do with caleidoscopes?
Face it witch, your futile arguments cannot stand against the logical onslaught of Christ.

No, because I saw other shops, things in the shops, people who were walking around, not little swirling pictures in kaleidoscopes.

What is this? Are you peddling drugs in God's favourite forum?

You've never heard the expression 'the pot calling the kettle black'?

Van Pintlehook, let me explain those things which you do not seem to grasp. Firstly, the Bible doesn't talk about everything. It doesn't have to. It only talks about how one can save one's miserable soul. Not being in the Bible doesn't mean that other planets don't exist. You aren't in the Bible either, but you probably exist. And not for nothing, either! To serve GOD!

I probably exist?
Ok, if you're going to look at it that way, why is it that when I've mentioned neanderthal men you've said that they couldn't possibly exist because the bible doesn't mention them?

Secondly, go outside during the clear night of a full moon. Before your teeth grow out and you start howling, look at the ground. Do you see your shadow? Yes. From the moon. That's all the Bible says.

It mentions the moon as a light source. The moon is a big rock in the sky. It does not give off light. Any light appearing to come off it is reflected from the sun. Same as how from the moon, the Earth appears to give off light.

I have explained many times why the earth used to be flat but isn't now. When GOD sent Noah's flood, there was so much water that it soaked into the earth like soaking into a sponge. So the earth puffed up and got round. Simple logic, Missy!

Because that explanation makes so much more sense.

I see. So when you go out on a night with a full moon, there's no more light given than on a night with a new moon?

I rest my case.

The moon is a big round ROCK. It does not give off light. Here, have a look at this site. From that site:

The moon, the Earth's only natural satellite, is about 238,900 miles away from Earth. It is the brightest light in the night sky, yet it does not give off its own light, but reflects the sunlight.

Simple enough for a child to understand!

Where exactly does it say the earth is flat? It's described as a circle/sphere; and it's described as "hanging on nothing" . . . but not flat. That's one of your heathen corruptions, probably from that New Infidel perVersion!

I'm only going to quote things for you, since that's all your tired "oooooo, the Bible says the earth is FLAT" argument deserves!

In that site you quoted, they are giving what they see as an interpretation of the bible. The words are clearly CORNERS. Not 'points' or 'directions' but CORNERS. Do you believe that, if your bible was indeed divinely inspired, it was written in some secret code to be deciphered? Sheesh. You're starting to sound like that Kevin kid!

See? Isaiah wrote about the earth being round more than a thousand years before Pythagoras!!

Are you disagreeing with what Pastor Al said, then? I thought you all believed the same thing He seems to believe the Earth used to be flat!

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

It mentions the moon as a light source. The moon is a big rock in the sky. It does not give off light. Any light appearing to come off it is reflected from the sun. Same as how from the moon, the Earth appears to give off light.

Uh huh. The moon reflects light. That makes it a light source in the night sky. The sun doesn't give off light on purpose, either. It's actually a big ball of fire. And light's not real, it's just wavelengths of energy.

Yeah, you can talk yourself right out of reality there, Van Werewolf.

In that site you quoted, they are giving what they see as an interpretation of the bible. The words are clearly CORNERS. Not 'points' or 'directions' but CORNERS. Do you believe that, if your bible was indeed divinely inspired, it was written in some secret code to be deciphered? Sheesh. You're starting to sound like that Kevin kid!

Let's wait until you slip up and say "sunrise" or "sunset". Or, for that matter, "quickly flow the years."

I'll be watching and waiting . . .

Are you disagreeing with what Pastor Al said, then? I thought you all believed the same thing He seems to believe the Earth used to be flat!

Unlike you group-thinking heathenites, True Christians are quite capable of independent thought. Pastor Al and I don't have to agree on everything.

Though I must say, his theory does have interesting implications!

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

I probably exist?
Ok, if you're going to look at it that way, why is it that when I've mentioned neanderthal men you've said that they couldn't possibly exist because the bible doesn't mention them?

Show me where I have ever said that.

It mentions the moon as a light source. The moon is a big rock in the sky. It does not give off light. Any light appearing to come off it is reflected from the sun. Same as how from the moon, the Earth appears to give off light.

The moon glows. Don't try to deny it. Are you saying that 'moonlight' is imaginary? Who cares WHY it glows? NOT ME!

The moon is a big round ROCK. It does not give off light. Here, have a look at this site. From that site:

"[The moon] is the brightest light in the night sky". I rest my case.

Game, set and match to GOD!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Uh huh. The moon reflects light. That makes it a light source in the night sky. The sun doesn't give off light on purpose, either. It's actually a big ball of fire. And light's not real, it's just wavelengths of energy.

It does not EMIT light of its own. The light it REFLECTS is sunlight. The sun, while burning, does emit light.

Let's wait until you slip up and say "sunrise" or "sunset". Or, for that matter, "quickly flow the years."

I'll be watching and waiting . . .

For the benefit of those who are sleep deprived and not thinking clearly, can you explain your point there? I don't quite get it.
*Edit-nevermind, I get it now

Unlike you group-thinking heathenites, True Christians are quite capable of independent thought. Pastor Al and I don't have to agree on everything.

But I thought you'd agree on beliefs, no?

Though I must say, his theory does have interesting implications!

It has some very interesting imagery, for sure!

Show me where I have ever said that.

I don't remember now! That's like asking what I had for lunch on October 21st, 2005! But ok, seeing as you want to play it that way, are you admitting that neanderthals, a separate NON-HUMAN species, did, in fact, exist?

The moon glows. Don't try to deny it. Are you saying that 'moonlight' is imaginary? Who cares WHY it glows? NOT ME!

'Moonlight' is actually sunlight. It does not emit its own light, it reflects light from the sun.

"[The moon] is the brightest light in the night sky". I rest my case.

You forgot the rest of the quote:

The moon, the Earth's only natural satellite, is about 238,900 miles away from Earth. It is the brightest light in the night sky, yet it does not give off its own light, but reflects the sunlight.

I rest my case.

Game, set and match to GOD!

Nope! Sorry, but nope!

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

I don't remember now! That's like asking what I had for lunch on October 21st, 2005! But ok, seeing as you want to play it that way, are you admitting that neanderthals, a separate NON-HUMAN species, did, in fact, exist?

I know what you had for lunch on that day. We have pictures. You ate at McDonalds.

Neanderthals are monkeys. I admit that monkeys exist.

'Moonlight' is actually sunlight. It does not emit its own light, it reflects light from the sun.

As I keep telling you, I don't care WHY the moon glows, but it does.

There is no use trying to deny it. GOD says the moon is the light of the night and so it is. It only makes sense for Him to have made it EXACTLY the right size and composition to reflect the sun and light the night so perfectly without creating heat. Reflected light is still light after all. The fact that it IS reflected merely proves intelligent design and the subtlety of the Lord.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

There is no use trying to deny it. GOD says the moon is the light of the night and so it is. It only makes sense for Him to have made it EXACTLY the right size and composition to reflect the sun and light the night so perfectly without creating heat. Reflected light is still light after all. The fact that it IS reflected merely proves intelligent design and the subtlety of the Lord.

PRAISE THE LORD!

That way, on a summer night, it can cool down but we can still see to go out for moonlit strolls with our wives along the river.

[Brother V]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Neanderthals are monkeys. I admit that monkeys exist.

I'd hate to disagree with you Pastor. But, in my studies, I've come to the theory that the so called "neanderthal" is actually just a retard.



Is there really such a difference between that above and Stinky?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

I know what you had for lunch on that day. We have pictures. You ate at McDonalds.

Blechhhh. I don't remember, but I doubt it. I can't stand MacDonalds. I'll usually only eat that if I'm severely broke and as a last resort, and my body punishes me for 24 hours after daring to try and feed it with that crap. Blechhh.

Neanderthals are monkeys. I admit that monkeys exist.

They aren't monkeys! They were humanoid peoples, almost human but not, from the same common ancestor but a different branch on the species tree. The resemblance to apes was stronger with them, yes, but they were still closer to human than ape.

As I keep telling you, I don't care WHY the moon glows, but it does.

It doesn't glow at all. It merely reflects.

There is no use trying to deny it. GOD says the moon is the light of the night and so it is. It only makes sense for Him to have made it EXACTLY the right size and composition to reflect the sun and light the night so perfectly without creating heat. Reflected light is still light after all. The fact that it IS reflected merely proves intelligent design and the subtlety of the Lord.

No it doesn't. Pictures taken from the moon show that from there, the earth appears to give off light to light up the might sky same as the moon does here, and it is an entirely different size and composition.
And what about the satellites of other planets in the solar system? No doubt they appear to give off light too...although there most probably isn't anyone there to see them.

PRAISE THE LORD!

That way, on a summer night, it can cool down but we can still see to go out for moonlit strolls with our wives along the river.

And make them clean along the way, I bet!

I'd hate to disagree with you Pastor. But, in my studies, I've come to the theory that the so called "neanderthal" is actually just a retard.

They are neither monkeys nor mentally challenged. Sheesh! They were a species that resembled humans but DNA evidence has proved to be a different species.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

[/color]They aren't monkeys! They were humanoid peoples, almost human but not, from the same common ancestor but a different branch on the species tree. The resemblance to apes was stronger with them, yes, but they were still closer to human than ape.

Silly heathen! Monkeys don't grow on trees, they just climb them!!

It doesn't glow at all. It merely reflects.

My Bible doesn't glow at all either, but in it I still see the Light of God's love. And the fires of Hell.

No it doesn't. Pictures taken from the moon show that from there, the earth appears to give off light to light up the might sky same as the moon does here, and it is an entirely different size and composition.
And what about the satellites of other planets in the solar system? No doubt they appear to give off light too...although there most probably isn't anyone there to see them.

Well, of course it's a different size and composition. One's a planet made for us to live on, with water and trees and monkeys, and the other is a big rock that God put out there to reflect the sun, providing LIGHT AT NIGHT.

Really, the things you come up with . . . Monkey trees, other planets having satellites . . . like they have TV on Mars?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

[/color]
Silly heathen! Monkeys don't grow on trees, they just climb them!!

What I meant was, they were not the same species as homo sapiens. They were humanoid, not human.

My Bible doesn't glow at all either, but in it I still see the Light of God's love. And the fires of Hell.

I see. Too much time around the cleaning ammonia again?

Well, of course it's a different size and composition. One's a planet made for us to live on, with water and trees and monkeys, and the other is a big rock that God put out there to reflect the sun, providing LIGHT AT NIGHT.

Pastor Al was saying, however, that Earth's moon is the right size and composition to reflect light. The fact that the Earth is an entirely different composition and can appear to give off light if you were standing on the moon proves that a body in space doesn't have to be the exact same composition as the moon in order to reflect light. I'm sure on Mars, Deimos and Phobos appear to give off light too, however they are more like asteroids. In fact, they most likely are asteroids which have escaped the asteroid belt and gotten pulled into Mars' orbit. Thus the idea of Earth's moon proving intelligent design is quite ludicrous.

Really, the things you come up with . . . Monkey trees, other planets having satellites . . . like they have TV on Mars?

I didn't mean satellite tv, I mean this kind of satellite:
(From Dictionary.com)
sat·el·lite –noun
1.Astronomy. a natural body that revolves around a planet; a moon.

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

And God's glory can be found with the fission of hydrogen atoms..... What's your point?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Pastor Al was saying, however, that Earth's moon is the right size and composition to reflect light. The fact that the Earth is an entirely different composition and can appear to give off light if you were standing on the moon proves that a body in space doesn't have to be the exact same composition as the moon in order to reflect light. I'm sure on Mars, Deimos and Phobos appear to give off light too, however they are more like asteroids. In fact, they most likely are asteroids which have escaped the asteroid belt and gotten pulled into Mars' orbit. Thus the idea of Earth's moon proving intelligent design is quite ludicrous.

However Rachael the moon does prove God's love for His creation; it disallows the unsaved wicked the cover of night to perform their depravity so the Righteous may discover and punish these miscreants.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

However Rachael the moon does prove God's love for His creation; it disallows the unsaved wicked the cover of night to perform their depravity so the Righteous may discover and punish these miscreants.

If that were the case, there wouldn't be a waning of the moon or new moon, would there?
And just what kind of 'depravity' are you talking about anyway?